Re: [Emc-users] DAQ of the day.

2010-03-25 Thread John Guenther
Hi David,

G92 seems to work, I will try that when I move the EMC computer to the
shop tomorrow and try once again to cut some parts with EMC.  Last
weekend I had to switch back to Mach3 because the frustration factor got
way too high with EMC.

Thanks for the help.

John Guenther
'Ye Olde Pen Maker'
Sterling, Virginia


On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 08:32 -0400, D.C.Clark wrote:
> On 3/25/2010 7:19 AM, John Guenther wrote:
> > Sorry for taking so long to respond to this, jury duty is keeping me
> > busy and tired.  At any rate, I out of habit use machine coordinates all
> > the time.  Perhaps a better example of what I would like to be able to
> > do is this.  I use a manual tool height setter.  I put it a new tool,
> > then jog Z down until the tool height setter shows 0 on its dial.  Now I
> > need to be able to tell EMC that the Z axis is at 2 inches above the
> > work.  How can I do this in EMC?  I have tried the work offsets as
> > suggested and that is not working for me.  In Mach3 I just click on the
> > Z axis DRO and enter 2.00 and I am ready to go.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > John Guenther
> > 'Ye Olde Pen Maker'
> > Sterling, VIrginia
> >
> 
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> MDI:  G92 Z2.0
> 
> see page 90 of http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/EMC2_User_Manual.pdf
> 
> David Clark in Southern Maryland, USA
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Re: [Emc-users] DAQ of the day.

2010-03-25 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
At 11:58 AM 3/25/2010, you wrote:

> > I'll definitely join the list.  When did you retire from
> > Goddard?  Know a coupla fellas by the name of Kurt Wolko or Vic
> > Ezerski?  Both real good friends of mine.
> >
> >
>
>Retired January '06.  Those names don't ring a bell, but, it's a big
>place.  I worked in Building 5, code 547, Advanced Manufacturing Branch.
>
>DC

Sounds kinda the same as it is here at the Naval Research Lab.  Folks 
always ask me if I know one of their friend's that works here.  Some 
I do, some I don't.  Ya never know.  I'll have to ask Kurt and Vic 
what building they work in and what Code they are.

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Re: [Emc-users] DAQ of the day.

2010-03-25 Thread D.C.Clark

> I'll definitely join the list.  When did you retire from
> Goddard?  Know a coupla fellas by the name of Kurt Wolko or Vic
> Ezerski?  Both real good friends of mine.
>
>

Retired January '06.  Those names don't ring a bell, but, it's a big 
place.  I worked in Building 5, code 547, Advanced Manufacturing Branch.

DC

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Re: [Emc-users] DAQ of the day.

2010-03-25 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
At 11:00 AM 3/25/2010, you wrote:
>On 3/25/2010 10:05 AM, Mark Wendt (Contractor) wrote:
> >
> > Huh, I'll be durned.  Did not know that.  Like the idea of
> > CAMS.  Only bad thing is I'm up for work at 0400 and the 7:30 - 10:00
> > meeting time plus the one hour drive from Burtonsville to Waldorf
> > would tend to cut into my beauty sleep...  ;-)  You do machining for
> > a living or are you an HSM'er?  I work at NRL as a system and network
> > admin, with the machining stuff being one of my hobbies as well as
> > part of my rod making biz.
> >
> >
>
>I'm retired from NASA, Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt:
>machinist - metrologist - technologist - instrument and spacecraft
>assembly lead.  Now a Sherline benchtop HSM into clockmaking and model
>engineering.
>
>I'm not able to make it to more than a few meetings a year, myself.  But
>you should join the list -- good bunch of people, and a tremendous pool
>of expertise on an wide range of techie subjects.
>
>DC

I'll definitely join the list.  When did you retire from 
Goddard?  Know a coupla fellas by the name of Kurt Wolko or Vic 
Ezerski?  Both real good friends of mine.

mark 


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Re: [Emc-users] DAQ of the day.

2010-03-25 Thread D.C.Clark
On 3/25/2010 10:05 AM, Mark Wendt (Contractor) wrote:
>
> Huh, I'll be durned.  Did not know that.  Like the idea of
> CAMS.  Only bad thing is I'm up for work at 0400 and the 7:30 - 10:00
> meeting time plus the one hour drive from Burtonsville to Waldorf
> would tend to cut into my beauty sleep...  ;-)  You do machining for
> a living or are you an HSM'er?  I work at NRL as a system and network
> admin, with the machining stuff being one of my hobbies as well as
> part of my rod making biz.
>
>

I'm retired from NASA, Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt: 
machinist - metrologist - technologist - instrument and spacecraft 
assembly lead.  Now a Sherline benchtop HSM into clockmaking and model 
engineering.

I'm not able to make it to more than a few meetings a year, myself.  But 
you should join the list -- good bunch of people, and a tremendous pool 
of expertise on an wide range of techie subjects.

DC

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Re: [Emc-users] DAQ of the day.

2010-03-25 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
At 09:29 AM 3/25/2010, you wrote:

> > Neat!  Nice to hear about a "local"...  ;-)
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
>
>Lots'a locals.  Are you a member of CAMS?  see:
>
>http://www.cams-club.org/index.html
>
>DC

Huh, I'll be durned.  Did not know that.  Like the idea of 
CAMS.  Only bad thing is I'm up for work at 0400 and the 7:30 - 10:00 
meeting time plus the one hour drive from Burtonsville to Waldorf 
would tend to cut into my beauty sleep...  ;-)  You do machining for 
a living or are you an HSM'er?  I work at NRL as a system and network 
admin, with the machining stuff being one of my hobbies as well as 
part of my rod making biz.

Mark 


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Re: [Emc-users] DAQ of the day.

2010-03-25 Thread Dave
Jon,

Also notice that when you "touch off" it asks you what coordinate system 
you want to set via the touch off.

For some reason I tend to use G55 on my lathe.  Then after I am all 
setup.  I have a G55 near the top of my program to get into that 
coordinate system and run the program.

As you can see there are a number of ways to do this...

Dave

On 3/25/2010 7:07 AM, Andy Pugh wrote:
> On 25 March 2010 11:19, John Guenther  wrote:
>
>>   At any rate, I out of habit use machine coordinates all
>> the time.
>>  
> I think that is the problem. The machine coordinates are fixed to the
> axes and can only easily be relocated by a homing process.
> The machine will refuse to move outside these limits.
> I think you said that you have no home switches? In that case I can't
> remember what happens when you home the axis, I think that the current
> physical position becomes the point at which the machine absolute
> numerical position takes the value from the ini-file axis home
> position.
>
>
>>   Perhaps a better example of what I would like to be able to
>> do is this.  I use a manual tool height setter.  I put it a new tool,
>> then jog Z down until the tool height setter shows 0 on its dial.  Now I
>> need to be able to tell EMC that the Z axis is at 2 inches above the
>> work.  How can I do this in EMC?  I have tried the work offsets as
>> suggested and that is not working for me.  In Mach3 I just click on the
>> Z axis DRO and enter 2.00 and I am ready to go.
>>  
> This is exactly what the working coordinate systems are for. If you
> change the view to "Relative" either from the menu or by pressing "#"
> then you will see the current working coordinate values.
>
> Note that you are _always_ on one of the working coordinate systems.
> You have to use special G-codes to move in the absolute machine
> coordinate space. The distinction might not be clear in cases where
> the working coordinate system has no offset from the machine
> coordinate system, and this will often be the case for a machine with
> no home switches.
>
> However, any G0, G1, G2, G3 etc move will always move in the current
> (probably G54) coordinates.
>
> So, for a machine with no home switches the start-up process would be:
> Select Absolute coordinate view
> Move to the extreme limits of travel of each axis. Home the axes from
> the GUI with the "home" button. I think you will see the machine
> coordinates take on the home position values from the INI file, but I
> could well be wrong. To save time and trouble you could set the home
> position to be mid-travel and set the axes limits symmetrical about
> this point.
> Change the view to Relative Coordinates
> Jog to where you want X=0 and Y=0 to be, set them to zero (or some
> other value) with the touch-off button.
> Bring your tool down to the height setter, select Z, press the
> touch-off button and type in your 2" tool height value.
>
> You should now be good to go.
>
> Clicking the DRO in Mach sounds to be doing exactly the same thing as
> EMC touch-off.
>
> There is also the option of touching-off into the Tool table, which
> can be useful for machines with multiple tool holders, less so for
> single collet machines.
>
> There is a lot more info on the Wiki,
> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?CoordinateSystems
>
> Bear in mind that my understanding of this issue is incomplete, and I
> don't have a machine here at work to experiment with. I still
> sometimes find myself in a bit of a tangle with offsets and
> "programmed move would exceed machine minimum" when there is
> clearly lots of space left.
>
>


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Re: [Emc-users] DAQ of the day.

2010-03-25 Thread D.C.Clark

> Neat!  Nice to hear about a "local"...  ;-)
>
> Mark
>
>

Lots'a locals.  Are you a member of CAMS?  see:

http://www.cams-club.org/index.html

DC

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Re: [Emc-users] DAQ of the day.

2010-03-25 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
At 09:00 AM 3/25/2010, you wrote:

> > David,
> >
> >   Where abouts in Southern Maryland are you?  I live in Waldorf.
> >
> > Mark
> >
>
>I'm in Calvert County, near the village of Lower Marlboro.
>
>DC

Neat!  Nice to hear about a "local"...  ;-)

Mark 


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Re: [Emc-users] DAQ of the day.

2010-03-25 Thread D.C.Clark

> David,
>
>   Where abouts in Southern Maryland are you?  I live in Waldorf.
>
> Mark
>

I'm in Calvert County, near the village of Lower Marlboro.

DC

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Re: [Emc-users] DAQ of the day.

2010-03-25 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
At 08:32 AM 3/25/2010, you wrote:
>On 3/25/2010 7:19 AM, John Guenther wrote:
> > Sorry for taking so long to respond to this, jury duty is keeping me
> > busy and tired.  At any rate, I out of habit use machine coordinates all
> > the time.  Perhaps a better example of what I would like to be able to
> > do is this.  I use a manual tool height setter.  I put it a new tool,
> > then jog Z down until the tool height setter shows 0 on its dial.  Now I
> > need to be able to tell EMC that the Z axis is at 2 inches above the
> > work.  How can I do this in EMC?  I have tried the work offsets as
> > suggested and that is not working for me.  In Mach3 I just click on the
> > Z axis DRO and enter 2.00 and I am ready to go.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > John Guenther
> > 'Ye Olde Pen Maker'
> > Sterling, VIrginia
> >
>
>
>Hi John,
>
>MDI:  G92 Z2.0
>
>see page 90 of http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/EMC2_User_Manual.pdf
>
>David Clark in Southern Maryland, USA

David,

 Where abouts in Southern Maryland are you?  I live in Waldorf.

Mark


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Re: [Emc-users] DAQ of the day.

2010-03-25 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
John Guenther wrote:
> Sorry for taking so long to respond to this, jury duty is keeping me
> busy and tired.  At any rate, I out of habit use machine coordinates all
> the time.  Perhaps a better example of what I would like to be able to
> do is this.  I use a manual tool height setter.  I put it a new tool,
> then jog Z down until the tool height setter shows 0 on its dial.  Now I
> need to be able to tell EMC that the Z axis is at 2 inches above the
> work.  How can I do this in EMC?  I have tried the work offsets as
> suggested and that is not working for me.  In Mach3 I just click on the
> Z axis DRO and enter 2.00 and I am ready to go.
>
Somewhere in the AXIS menus, I believe under the "Machine" menu, is 
"Touch Off".  This is also available with a hot-key (could be END, check 
the quick reference under the help menu).  This lets you enter a 
position for the currently selected axis.

- Steve


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Re: [Emc-users] DAQ of the day.

2010-03-25 Thread D.C.Clark
On 3/25/2010 7:19 AM, John Guenther wrote:
> Sorry for taking so long to respond to this, jury duty is keeping me
> busy and tired.  At any rate, I out of habit use machine coordinates all
> the time.  Perhaps a better example of what I would like to be able to
> do is this.  I use a manual tool height setter.  I put it a new tool,
> then jog Z down until the tool height setter shows 0 on its dial.  Now I
> need to be able to tell EMC that the Z axis is at 2 inches above the
> work.  How can I do this in EMC?  I have tried the work offsets as
> suggested and that is not working for me.  In Mach3 I just click on the
> Z axis DRO and enter 2.00 and I am ready to go.
>
> Thanks
>
> John Guenther
> 'Ye Olde Pen Maker'
> Sterling, VIrginia
>


Hi John,

MDI:  G92 Z2.0

see page 90 of http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/EMC2_User_Manual.pdf

David Clark in Southern Maryland, USA

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Re: [Emc-users] DAQ of the day.

2010-03-25 Thread Andy Pugh
On 25 March 2010 11:19, John Guenther  wrote:
>
>  At any rate, I out of habit use machine coordinates all
> the time.

I think that is the problem. The machine coordinates are fixed to the
axes and can only easily be relocated by a homing process.
The machine will refuse to move outside these limits.
I think you said that you have no home switches? In that case I can't
remember what happens when you home the axis, I think that the current
physical position becomes the point at which the machine absolute
numerical position takes the value from the ini-file axis home
position.

>  Perhaps a better example of what I would like to be able to
> do is this.  I use a manual tool height setter.  I put it a new tool,
> then jog Z down until the tool height setter shows 0 on its dial.  Now I
> need to be able to tell EMC that the Z axis is at 2 inches above the
> work.  How can I do this in EMC?  I have tried the work offsets as
> suggested and that is not working for me.  In Mach3 I just click on the
> Z axis DRO and enter 2.00 and I am ready to go.

This is exactly what the working coordinate systems are for. If you
change the view to "Relative" either from the menu or by pressing "#"
then you will see the current working coordinate values.

Note that you are _always_ on one of the working coordinate systems.
You have to use special G-codes to move in the absolute machine
coordinate space. The distinction might not be clear in cases where
the working coordinate system has no offset from the machine
coordinate system, and this will often be the case for a machine with
no home switches.

However, any G0, G1, G2, G3 etc move will always move in the current
(probably G54) coordinates.

So, for a machine with no home switches the start-up process would be:
Select Absolute coordinate view
Move to the extreme limits of travel of each axis. Home the axes from
the GUI with the "home" button. I think you will see the machine
coordinates take on the home position values from the INI file, but I
could well be wrong. To save time and trouble you could set the home
position to be mid-travel and set the axes limits symmetrical about
this point.
Change the view to Relative Coordinates
Jog to where you want X=0 and Y=0 to be, set them to zero (or some
other value) with the touch-off button.
Bring your tool down to the height setter, select Z, press the
touch-off button and type in your 2" tool height value.

You should now be good to go.

Clicking the DRO in Mach sounds to be doing exactly the same thing as
EMC touch-off.

There is also the option of touching-off into the Tool table, which
can be useful for machines with multiple tool holders, less so for
single collet machines.

There is a lot more info on the Wiki,
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?CoordinateSystems

Bear in mind that my understanding of this issue is incomplete, and I
don't have a machine here at work to experiment with. I still
sometimes find myself in a bit of a tangle with offsets and
"programmed move would exceed machine minimum" when there is
clearly lots of space left.

-- 
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Re: [Emc-users] DAQ of the day.

2010-03-25 Thread John Guenther
Sorry for taking so long to respond to this, jury duty is keeping me
busy and tired.  At any rate, I out of habit use machine coordinates all
the time.  Perhaps a better example of what I would like to be able to
do is this.  I use a manual tool height setter.  I put it a new tool,
then jog Z down until the tool height setter shows 0 on its dial.  Now I
need to be able to tell EMC that the Z axis is at 2 inches above the
work.  How can I do this in EMC?  I have tried the work offsets as
suggested and that is not working for me.  In Mach3 I just click on the
Z axis DRO and enter 2.00 and I am ready to go.

Thanks

John Guenther
'Ye Olde Pen Maker'
Sterling, VIrginia


On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 11:39 +0100, Bernhard Kubicek wrote:
> I usually home all axis once in axis, then jog to my intended origin, say
> x->touch off->0,y->touch off->0, and of course z->touch off->0.1 or the
> minimal amount i am over the piece.
> I have no home switches.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Alex Joni  wrote:
> 
> > You use the touchoff button for that:
> > http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//gui_axis.html#cap:Touch-Off
> >
> > G54 should be active by default (unless you select another coordinate
> > system
> > using g55..g59.3).
> >
> > Regards,
> > Alex
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "John Guenther" 
> > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:26 PM
> > Subject: [Emc-users] DAQ of the day.
> >
> >
> > > Good Morning,
> > >
> > > I am new to EMC2, I used EMC when I first got into CNC but switched to
> > > Mach for many reasons that are not worth discussing here.  My question
> > > relates to initial part setup.  I can't seem to find a simple way to
> > > tell my mill where zero is.  I use an electronic edge finder, so for
> > > esample I jog the X axis around until I couch the left edge of the part.
> > > Now, how do I tell EMC2 this is X0.0?  If it makes any difference this
> > > is a small benchtop mill and the way I work X0, Y0 is the lower left
> > > corner of the part or material and none of my g-code uses the G54 -
> > > G59.3 Select Coordinate System codes.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > John Guenther
> > > 'Ye Olde Pen Maker'
> > > Sterling, Virginia
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Emc-users] DAQ of the day.

2010-03-23 Thread Bernhard Kubicek
I usually home all axis once in axis, then jog to my intended origin, say
x->touch off->0,y->touch off->0, and of course z->touch off->0.1 or the
minimal amount i am over the piece.
I have no home switches.


On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Alex Joni  wrote:

> You use the touchoff button for that:
> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//gui_axis.html#cap:Touch-Off
>
> G54 should be active by default (unless you select another coordinate
> system
> using g55..g59.3).
>
> Regards,
> Alex
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Guenther" 
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:26 PM
> Subject: [Emc-users] DAQ of the day.
>
>
> > Good Morning,
> >
> > I am new to EMC2, I used EMC when I first got into CNC but switched to
> > Mach for many reasons that are not worth discussing here.  My question
> > relates to initial part setup.  I can't seem to find a simple way to
> > tell my mill where zero is.  I use an electronic edge finder, so for
> > esample I jog the X axis around until I couch the left edge of the part.
> > Now, how do I tell EMC2 this is X0.0?  If it makes any difference this
> > is a small benchtop mill and the way I work X0, Y0 is the lower left
> > corner of the part or material and none of my g-code uses the G54 -
> > G59.3 Select Coordinate System codes.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > John Guenther
> > 'Ye Olde Pen Maker'
> > Sterling, Virginia
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Emc-users] DAQ of the day.

2010-03-23 Thread Alex Joni
You use the touchoff button for that:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//gui_axis.html#cap:Touch-Off

G54 should be active by default (unless you select another coordinate system 
using g55..g59.3).

Regards,
Alex

- Original Message - 
From: "John Guenther" 
To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:26 PM
Subject: [Emc-users] DAQ of the day.


> Good Morning,
>
> I am new to EMC2, I used EMC when I first got into CNC but switched to
> Mach for many reasons that are not worth discussing here.  My question
> relates to initial part setup.  I can't seem to find a simple way to
> tell my mill where zero is.  I use an electronic edge finder, so for
> esample I jog the X axis around until I couch the left edge of the part.
> Now, how do I tell EMC2 this is X0.0?  If it makes any difference this
> is a small benchtop mill and the way I work X0, Y0 is the lower left
> corner of the part or material and none of my g-code uses the G54 -
> G59.3 Select Coordinate System codes.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> John Guenther
> 'Ye Olde Pen Maker'
> Sterling, Virginia
>
>
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[Emc-users] DAQ of the day.

2010-03-23 Thread John Guenther
Good Morning,

I am new to EMC2, I used EMC when I first got into CNC but switched to
Mach for many reasons that are not worth discussing here.  My question
relates to initial part setup.  I can't seem to find a simple way to
tell my mill where zero is.  I use an electronic edge finder, so for
esample I jog the X axis around until I couch the left edge of the part.
Now, how do I tell EMC2 this is X0.0?  If it makes any difference this
is a small benchtop mill and the way I work X0, Y0 is the lower left
corner of the part or material and none of my g-code uses the G54 -
G59.3 Select Coordinate System codes.

Thanks in advance.

John Guenther
'Ye Olde Pen Maker'
Sterling, Virginia


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