Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 27 May 2010, Jon Elson wrote:
>Mark Wendt wrote:
>> On 05/26/2010 01:08 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> Yup, a nearly $400 Cub Cadet.  But OSHA or somebody has gotten into the
>>> lawn mower design business in the name of safety, and mandated that the
>>> skirt around the blade be made deep enough to protect the errant toe
>>> that may get under it.
>
>Yeah, I'm still running a 1968 Bolens.  It has a mini-PTO shaft, and a
>bevel gearbox on the mower deck that changes speed and does the
>right-angle change in shaft direction.  I got the tiller for it too, and
>a snow blade.  I had a chance to get the 2-stage snow blower, but the
>seller wanted a lot of money and I couldn't figure out how it worked.
>Eventually I figured out it goes on the BACK of the tractor, which
>sounds like a crazy way to use a snowblower.  It has a single-cyl 12 Hp
>Tecumseh engine.  I put a motorcycle carb on it to replace the totally
>worn out, and just "bad idea" side-draft carb with an updraft manifold.
>This works a lot better, but needs a fuel pump to raise the gas.
>
>On-topic part :  I made a number of these mods with my EMC-controlled
>Bridgeport mill.  A carb adaptor on the engine block, a bell crank to
>change the governor linkage to the throttle plate, and the fuel pump.  I
>used a floppy drive motor with an eccentric shaft to pump a neoprene
>bellows.
>
>This tractor and accessories cost me $1100, I think, about 20 years
>ago.  I've REALLY gotten my money's worth out of the thing, though.
>
>Going back to the original comment from Gene, above, I ran over my
>youngest kid's foot about 2 weeks ago with it.  He has this nasty habit
>of following me around and trying to "help" like holding tree branches
>out of my way.  I got REALLY close to chopping his foot off with the
>thing, just inches I think, and was really upset that my reaction time
>was WA too slow.  Just by sheer luck his foot missed the blades
>because he was on the outlet chute side where the housing extends
>another 4" or so beyond the blades.  I HOPE we both learned a good
>lesson that time!
>
>Jon

Yikes!  OTOH, if he was on the chute side, I expect his legs probably got a 
bit of a message from the rapidly exiting material.  Hopefully much the same 
stinging verbiage was heard from Daddy?  As a learning aid?

I had taken my chipper up the hill 2 houses and was helping a friend take 
care of some brush he had cut to make room for a privacy fence, and made the 
mistake of walking past the outlet chute a couple of times when it was doing 
its thing.  That will get your attention.  He hadn't wanted to attach the 
catch sack, so it was just shooting across the yard, and when were all done 
he fired up the rider and mulched and spread it till it was largely gone.

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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Jon Elson]

Mark Wendt wrote:
> On 05/26/2010 01:08 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
>   
>> Yup, a nearly $400 Cub Cadet.  But OSHA or somebody has gotten into the lawn
>> mower design business in the name of safety, and mandated that the skirt
>> around the blade be made deep enough to protect the errant toe that may get
>> under it.
Yeah, I'm still running a 1968 Bolens.  It has a mini-PTO shaft, and a 
bevel gearbox on the mower deck that changes speed and does the 
right-angle change in shaft direction.  I got the tiller for it too, and 
a snow blade.  I had a chance to get the 2-stage snow blower, but the 
seller wanted a lot of money and I couldn't figure out how it worked.  
Eventually I figured out it goes on the BACK of the tractor, which 
sounds like a crazy way to use a snowblower.  It has a single-cyl 12 Hp 
Tecumseh engine.  I put a motorcycle carb on it to replace the totally 
worn out, and just "bad idea" side-draft carb with an updraft manifold.  
This works a lot better, but needs a fuel pump to raise the gas.

On-topic part :  I made a number of these mods with my EMC-controlled 
Bridgeport mill.  A carb adaptor on the engine block, a bell crank to 
change the governor linkage to the throttle plate, and the fuel pump.  I 
used a floppy drive motor with an eccentric shaft to pump a neoprene 
bellows.

This tractor and accessories cost me $1100, I think, about 20 years 
ago.  I've REALLY gotten my money's worth out of the thing, though.

Going back to the original comment from Gene, above, I ran over my 
youngest kid's foot about 2 weeks ago with it.  He has this nasty habit 
of following me around and trying to "help" like holding tree branches 
out of my way.  I got REALLY close to chopping his foot off with the 
thing, just inches I think, and was really upset that my reaction time 
was WA too slow.  Just by sheer luck his foot missed the blades 
because he was on the outlet chute side where the housing extends 
another 4" or so beyond the blades.  I HOPE we both learned a good 
lesson that time!

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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Jon Elson]

Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> heh - no no - I was talking about an adapter to remount his mower blade :)
>   
Yeah, I figured out that was what you were talking about after reading a 
few more messages.
Anyway, since Roland has shut down his shop, there might be an 
opportunity to pick up that John Deere wear plate business, although 
Deere has probably found another supplier.  Not sure you'd want that big 
press whamming away all day, though.  I can't imagine having that going 
on for long before I'd go crazy!

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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 27 May 2010, Mark Wendt wrote:
>On 05/27/2010 12:24 AM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
>> heh - no no - I was talking about an adapter to remount his mower blade
>> :)
>
>Well, hells bells, it's just  a short jump from a mower blade adapter to
>a replacement hip joint as far as the software is concerned!  ;-)
>
>Mark
>
Yep, just a few bytes changed. ;-)

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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 27 May 2010, Mark Wendt wrote:
>On 05/26/2010 05:52 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> Yup, gimme a 2 stroke, and if its built good, I'll give you something in
>> the 2hp/ci for giddyup.  I figure my last go cart, with its 13.5 cid
>> deflector head water cooled engine, was making a good 25hp, cuz 100 mph
>> was not a dream if the sprocket was right.  The tracks I ran it on were
>> slower than that, so the 15/78 I was running made about 90, but it could
>> do 80 from 25 in 75 feet. Mind you this was an elderly Gopher cart that
>> scaled at well over 100 lbs without me!  Make that 60 feet  if the tank
>> was full of booze instead of gas. I was an equal opportunity annoyer.
>>
>> I firmly believe that anyone applying for a drivers license must first
>> goto the local cart track, and spend a few days trying to break the track
>> record, and will only qualify for a road test in daddy's Lexus if they
>> came within 1/2 second of it.
>>
>> Then, and only then, will they have an inkling of how to handle a dicey
>> situation on the street, after all that practice of its getting out of
>> line, doing a spinout or whatever, all without mussing up the form and
>> paint on daddies $36k chair car.  Enough time on the cart that when
>> things go tits up in traffic, they do what they need to do completely
>> from muscle memory.
>>
>> We could cut the traffic deaths by 90% or more with just that change.
>
>One of the bennies of growing up in farm country were big, wide open
>fields that farmers let go fallow for a year or so, and what we used to
>call "field cars."  Dad would get us an old clunker, drop it off in the
>field, and let us have at it.  We'd spin donuts out there, get into
>intentional skids and actually learn how to control and drive a car
>rather than letting the car control us.
>
>Mark

Yippers.  Too bad these kids today all think milk comes in neat cartons or 
blow molded jugs.  Gee, would watching a cow get milked gross them out. ;-) 

Heck, I can recall when I could fill a 5 gallon bucket under one big Gurnsey 
we had in about 5 minutes, by hand.  She could make milk, but it didn't test 
as high as the jerseys did, she only tested at about 31.5 pounds, where they 
made 34 pounds easy.  Yeah, 65 years ago.  My arthritis would make that a 15 
minute job now. :(

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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 27 May 2010, Mark Wendt wrote:
>On 05/26/2010 01:08 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> Yup, a nearly $400 Cub Cadet.  But OSHA or somebody has gotten into the
>> lawn mower design business in the name of safety, and mandated that the
>> skirt around the blade be made deep enough to protect the errant toe that
>> may get under it.  Unforch, this also lowers the skirt so damned cloise
>> to the ground that a 1" bump in the dirt catches on it, and the backup
>> process is often done only with brute force jerks of a hundred pounds or
>> so to unstick it from the 1" high hill its hung on.  In the end, the self
>> propelled is not that much of a labor saver.  They have also changed the
>> drive flange to blade fit, so that one cannot fit a stack of fender
>> washers to lower the blade, which to get the same height, would let one
>> raise the deck, which it has quite nice latching facilities to do.  The
>> blade is now locked to the blade adapter, something I would much rather
>> see as a clutch with 3" belleview washers for clutch tension like they
>> did 40 years ago.
>>
>> nope, they have to make it proprietary.  Bastards.
>
>Yup, bastages.  You could always machine a new adapter for that flange...
>
Otoh, despite what the better half says, I can put a seat on it, along with a 
reverse for 3 1/2 big ones, and I am about to.  Used mtd, 32", needs seat 
cover & brakes that work.
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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Stuart Stevenson]

yup - that's no step for a stepper

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Mark Wendt  wrote:

>
>
> On 05/27/2010 12:24 AM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > heh - no no - I was talking about an adapter to remount his mower blade
> :)
>
> Well, hells bells, it's just  a short jump from a mower blade adapter to
> a replacement hip joint as far as the software is concerned!  ;-)
>
> Mark
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Mark Wendt]

On 05/27/2010 12:24 AM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> heh - no no - I was talking about an adapter to remount his mower blade :)

Well, hells bells, it's just  a short jump from a mower blade adapter to 
a replacement hip joint as far as the software is concerned!  ;-)

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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Mark Wendt]

On 05/26/2010 05:52 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> Yup, gimme a 2 stroke, and if its built good, I'll give you something in the
> 2hp/ci for giddyup.  I figure my last go cart, with its 13.5 cid deflector
> head water cooled engine, was making a good 25hp, cuz 100 mph was not a dream
> if the sprocket was right.  The tracks I ran it on were slower than that, so
> the 15/78 I was running made about 90, but it could do 80 from 25 in 75 feet.
> Mind you this was an elderly Gopher cart that scaled at well over 100 lbs
> without me!  Make that 60 feet  if the tank was full of booze instead of gas.
> I was an equal opportunity annoyer.
>
> I firmly believe that anyone applying for a drivers license must first goto
> the local cart track, and spend a few days trying to break the track record,
> and will only qualify for a road test in daddy's Lexus if they came within
> 1/2 second of it.
>
> Then, and only then, will they have an inkling of how to handle a dicey
> situation on the street, after all that practice of its getting out of line,
> doing a spinout or whatever, all without mussing up the form and paint on
> daddies $36k chair car.  Enough time on the cart that when things go tits up
> in traffic, they do what they need to do completely from muscle memory.
>
> We could cut the traffic deaths by 90% or more with just that change.

One of the bennies of growing up in farm country were big, wide open 
fields that farmers let go fallow for a year or so, and what we used to 
call "field cars."  Dad would get us an old clunker, drop it off in the 
field, and let us have at it.  We'd spin donuts out there, get into 
intentional skids and actually learn how to control and drive a car 
rather than letting the car control us.

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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Mark Wendt]

Gee, I wonder who that could be...  ;-)

Mark

On 05/26/2010 04:07 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> Gene,
>Do you have a design in mind? I know a man with a machine shop. :)
> Stuart
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Gene Heskettwrote:
>> Yup, a nearly $400 Cub Cadet.  But OSHA or somebody has gotten into the
>> lawn
>> mower design business in the name of safety, and mandated that the skirt
>> around the blade be made deep enough to protect the errant toe that may get
>> under it.  Unforch, this also lowers the skirt so damned cloise to the
>> ground
>> that a 1" bump in the dirt catches on it, and the backup process is often
>> done only with brute force jerks of a hundred pounds or so to unstick it
>> from
>> the 1" high hill its hung on.  In the end, the self propelled is not that
>> much of a labor saver.  They have also changed the drive flange to blade
>> fit,
>> so that one cannot fit a stack of fender washers to lower the blade, which
>> to
>> get the same height, would let one raise the deck, which it has quite nice
>> latching facilities to do.  The blade is now locked to the blade adapter,
>> something I would much rather see as a clutch with 3" belleview washers for
>> clutch tension like they did 40 years ago.
>>
>> nope, they have to make it proprietary.  Bastards.

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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Mark Wendt]

On 05/26/2010 01:08 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

> Yup, a nearly $400 Cub Cadet.  But OSHA or somebody has gotten into the lawn
> mower design business in the name of safety, and mandated that the skirt
> around the blade be made deep enough to protect the errant toe that may get
> under it.  Unforch, this also lowers the skirt so damned cloise to the ground
> that a 1" bump in the dirt catches on it, and the backup process is often
> done only with brute force jerks of a hundred pounds or so to unstick it from
> the 1" high hill its hung on.  In the end, the self propelled is not that
> much of a labor saver.  They have also changed the drive flange to blade fit,
> so that one cannot fit a stack of fender washers to lower the blade, which to
> get the same height, would let one raise the deck, which it has quite nice
> latching facilities to do.  The blade is now locked to the blade adapter,
> something I would much rather see as a clutch with 3" belleview washers for
> clutch tension like they did 40 years ago.
>
> nope, they have to make it proprietary.  Bastards.

Yup, bastages.  You could always machine a new adapter for that flange...

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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Stuart Stevenson]

heh - no no - I was talking about an adapter to remount his mower blade :)

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Jon Elson  wrote:

> Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > Gene,
> >   Do you have a design in mind? I know a man with a machine shop. :)
> > Stuart
> >
> Oh oh!  Aerospace is so slow, Stuart is thinking of branching out into
> medical manufacturing.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Jon Elson]

Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> Gene,
>   Do you have a design in mind? I know a man with a machine shop. :)
> Stuart
>   
Oh oh!  Aerospace is so slow, Stuart is thinking of branching out into 
medical manufacturing.

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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 26 May 2010, Dave wrote:
>> Yup, a nearly $400 Cub Cadet.  But OSHA or somebody has gotten into the
>> lawn mower design business in the name of safety, and mandated that the
>> skirt around the blade be made deep enough to protect the errant toe that
>> may get under it.  Unforch, this also lowers the skirt so damned cloise
>> to the ground that a 1" bump in the dirt catches on it, and the backup
>> process is often done only with brute force jerks of a hundred pounds or
>> so to unstick it from the 1" high hill its hung on.  In the end, the self
>> propelled is not that much of a labor saver.  They have also changed the
>> drive flange to blade fit, so that one cannot fit a stack of fender
>> washers to lower the blade, which to get the same height, would let one
>> raise the deck, which it has quite nice latching facilities to do.  The
>> blade is now locked to the blade adapter, something I would much rather
>> see as a clutch with 3" belleview washers for clutch tension like they
>> did 40 years ago.
>>
>> nope, they have to make it proprietary.  Bastards.
>
>Ah..  the safety cops...
>
>The last mower I bought was a 2 cycle Lawn Boy   now banned since it
>is 2 cycle.   It is great since you can cut on steep slopes without fear
>of the oil not making it to the bearings.
>
>Also the later 2 strokes made serious power when turned up a bit.  It is
>almost impossible to kill even in high grass.
>
>When I bought that mower I spent some time taking out baffles that
>prevented the grass (and stones) from exiting the mower deck quickly.
>( Grinder and die grinder with cutting wheel required. )  Prior to my
>modifications the deck constantly plugged
>when cutting heavy grass.   My wife thought I was nuts to start cutting
>up the mower deck, but it didn't work as it was!
>
>Dave

Yup, gimme a 2 stroke, and if its built good, I'll give you something in the 
2hp/ci for giddyup.  I figure my last go cart, with its 13.5 cid deflector 
head water cooled engine, was making a good 25hp, cuz 100 mph was not a dream 
if the sprocket was right.  The tracks I ran it on were slower than that, so 
the 15/78 I was running made about 90, but it could do 80 from 25 in 75 feet. 
Mind you this was an elderly Gopher cart that scaled at well over 100 lbs 
without me!  Make that 60 feet  if the tank was full of booze instead of gas.  
I was an equal opportunity annoyer.

I firmly believe that anyone applying for a drivers license must first goto 
the local cart track, and spend a few days trying to break the track record, 
and will only qualify for a road test in daddy's Lexus if they came within 
1/2 second of it.

Then, and only then, will they have an inkling of how to handle a dicey 
situation on the street, after all that practice of its getting out of line, 
doing a spinout or whatever, all without mussing up the form and paint on 
daddies $36k chair car.  Enough time on the cart that when things go tits up 
in traffic, they do what they need to do completely from muscle memory.

We could cut the traffic deaths by 90% or more with just that change.
  
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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 26 May 2010, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
>Gene,
>  Do you have a design in mind? I know a man with a machine shop. :)
>Stuart
>
Yeah, I think the real cure is to jack it up on its nose and cut 3/4" off the 
rear apron, which is separate from the circular blade surround.  This is 
where the SP mechanism is but it should be plenty strong even after 3/4" was 
trimmed and the mower then capable of being tipped up in front and pulled 
back a hell of a lot easier.  Either that, or figure out how to make a 
reverse gear.  Its this rear length overhang that is behind the actual axle 
that tips down that 3/4" and digs into the dirt.  I have a 4.5" grinder that 
should handle that nicely.  After doing the gross cut with a sabre saw & a 
hacksaw blade in it.

Now where did I put that round tuit?

>On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Gene Heskett 
wrote:
>> On Wednesday 26 May 2010, Mark Wendt wrote:
>> >On 05/26/2010 12:31 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> >>> And even then it lives on with OOP.  Your module becomes my module
>> >>> becomes his module becomes...
>> >>
>> >> Yeah, and each succeeding generation thinks the previous ones work is
>> >> crap, so he fixes it, only adding 2 more bugs for every one he thinks
>> >> he is fixing.
>> >>
>> >> 2/3rds of the back yard knocked down, hip joints screaming.  I am
>> >> gonna go buy a rider yet...  But it will have to be after a figure out
>> >> how to revoke Dee's backseat drivers license.  She thinks all I need
>> >> is the exercise.  ;-)
>> >
>> >Well, of course they do.  We thought the same thing when we were
>> > younger!
>> >
>> >Is your push mower one of those self-propelled ones?  A lot of the old
>> >aches and pains went away when I switched to one of those.
>>
>> Yup, a nearly $400 Cub Cadet.  But OSHA or somebody has gotten into the
>> lawn
>> mower design business in the name of safety, and mandated that the skirt
>> around the blade be made deep enough to protect the errant toe that may
>> get under it.  Unforch, this also lowers the skirt so damned cloise to
>> the ground
>> that a 1" bump in the dirt catches on it, and the backup process is often
>> done only with brute force jerks of a hundred pounds or so to unstick it
>> from
>> the 1" high hill its hung on.  In the end, the self propelled is not that
>> much of a labor saver.  They have also changed the drive flange to blade
>> fit,
>> so that one cannot fit a stack of fender washers to lower the blade,
>> which to
>> get the same height, would let one raise the deck, which it has quite
>> nice latching facilities to do.  The blade is now locked to the blade
>> adapter, something I would much rather see as a clutch with 3" belleview
>> washers for clutch tension like they did 40 years ago.
>>
>> nope, they have to make it proprietary.  Bastards.
>>
>> >mark
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Dave]

> Yup, a nearly $400 Cub Cadet.  But OSHA or somebody has gotten into the lawn
> mower design business in the name of safety, and mandated that the skirt
> around the blade be made deep enough to protect the errant toe that may get
> under it.  Unforch, this also lowers the skirt so damned cloise to the ground
> that a 1" bump in the dirt catches on it, and the backup process is often
> done only with brute force jerks of a hundred pounds or so to unstick it from
> the 1" high hill its hung on.  In the end, the self propelled is not that
> much of a labor saver.  They have also changed the drive flange to blade fit,
> so that one cannot fit a stack of fender washers to lower the blade, which to
> get the same height, would let one raise the deck, which it has quite nice
> latching facilities to do.  The blade is now locked to the blade adapter,
> something I would much rather see as a clutch with 3" belleview washers for
> clutch tension like they did 40 years ago.
>
> nope, they have to make it proprietary.  Bastards.
>
>
Ah..  the safety cops...

The last mower I bought was a 2 cycle Lawn Boy   now banned since it 
is 2 cycle.   It is great since you can cut on steep slopes without fear 
of the oil not making it to the bearings.

Also the later 2 strokes made serious power when turned up a bit.  It is 
almost impossible to kill even in high grass.

When I bought that mower I spent some time taking out baffles that 
prevented the grass (and stones) from exiting the mower deck quickly.   
( Grinder and die grinder with cutting wheel required. )  Prior to my 
modifications the deck constantly plugged
when cutting heavy grass.   My wife thought I was nuts to start cutting 
up the mower deck, but it didn't work as it was!

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[Stuart Stevenson]

Gene,
  Do you have a design in mind? I know a man with a machine shop. :)
Stuart

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Wednesday 26 May 2010, Mark Wendt wrote:
> >On 05/26/2010 12:31 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >>> And even then it lives on with OOP.  Your module becomes my module
> >>> becomes his module becomes...
> >>
> >> Yeah, and each succeeding generation thinks the previous ones work is
> >> crap, so he fixes it, only adding 2 more bugs for every one he thinks he
> >> is fixing.
> >>
> >> 2/3rds of the back yard knocked down, hip joints screaming.  I am gonna
> >> go buy a rider yet...  But it will have to be after a figure out how to
> >> revoke Dee's backseat drivers license.  She thinks all I need is the
> >> exercise.  ;-)
> >
> >Well, of course they do.  We thought the same thing when we were younger!
> >
> >Is your push mower one of those self-propelled ones?  A lot of the old
> >aches and pains went away when I switched to one of those.
> >
> Yup, a nearly $400 Cub Cadet.  But OSHA or somebody has gotten into the
> lawn
> mower design business in the name of safety, and mandated that the skirt
> around the blade be made deep enough to protect the errant toe that may get
> under it.  Unforch, this also lowers the skirt so damned cloise to the
> ground
> that a 1" bump in the dirt catches on it, and the backup process is often
> done only with brute force jerks of a hundred pounds or so to unstick it
> from
> the 1" high hill its hung on.  In the end, the self propelled is not that
> much of a labor saver.  They have also changed the drive flange to blade
> fit,
> so that one cannot fit a stack of fender washers to lower the blade, which
> to
> get the same height, would let one raise the deck, which it has quite nice
> latching facilities to do.  The blade is now locked to the blade adapter,
> something I would much rather see as a clutch with 3" belleview washers for
> clutch tension like they did 40 years ago.
>
> nope, they have to make it proprietary.  Bastards.
>
> >mark
> >
>
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[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 26 May 2010, Mark Wendt wrote:
>On 05/26/2010 12:31 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> And even then it lives on with OOP.  Your module becomes my module
>>> becomes his module becomes...
>>
>> Yeah, and each succeeding generation thinks the previous ones work is
>> crap, so he fixes it, only adding 2 more bugs for every one he thinks he
>> is fixing.
>>
>> 2/3rds of the back yard knocked down, hip joints screaming.  I am gonna
>> go buy a rider yet...  But it will have to be after a figure out how to
>> revoke Dee's backseat drivers license.  She thinks all I need is the
>> exercise.  ;-)
>
>Well, of course they do.  We thought the same thing when we were younger!
>
>Is your push mower one of those self-propelled ones?  A lot of the old
>aches and pains went away when I switched to one of those.
>
Yup, a nearly $400 Cub Cadet.  But OSHA or somebody has gotten into the lawn 
mower design business in the name of safety, and mandated that the skirt 
around the blade be made deep enough to protect the errant toe that may get 
under it.  Unforch, this also lowers the skirt so damned cloise to the ground 
that a 1" bump in the dirt catches on it, and the backup process is often 
done only with brute force jerks of a hundred pounds or so to unstick it from 
the 1" high hill its hung on.  In the end, the self propelled is not that 
much of a labor saver.  They have also changed the drive flange to blade fit, 
so that one cannot fit a stack of fender washers to lower the blade, which to 
get the same height, would let one raise the deck, which it has quite nice 
latching facilities to do.  The blade is now locked to the blade adapter, 
something I would much rather see as a clutch with 3" belleview washers for 
clutch tension like they did 40 years ago.

nope, they have to make it proprietary.  Bastards.

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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Mark Wendt]

On 05/26/2010 12:31 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> And even then it lives on with OOP.  Your module becomes my module
>> becomes his module becomes...
>>
> Yeah, and each succeeding generation thinks the previous ones work is crap,
> so he fixes it, only adding 2 more bugs for every one he thinks he is fixing.
>
> 2/3rds of the back yard knocked down, hip joints screaming.  I am gonna go
> buy a rider yet...  But it will have to be after a figure out how to revoke
> Dee's backseat drivers license.  She thinks all I need is the exercise.  ;-)

Well, of course they do.  We thought the same thing when we were younger!

Is your push mower one of those self-propelled ones?  A lot of the old 
aches and pains went away when I switched to one of those.

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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 26 May 2010, Mark Wendt wrote:
>On 05/25/2010 09:28 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> No, what I really intended to do was fix the link too, and got
>> distracted. Sorry.  I've put 600+_ miles on the GMC since then, which was
>> part of the distraction.  I'm a 75 year old broadcast engineer, who keeps
>> trying to retire&  they won't let me.  I'm reminded of that old saw about
>> a program, its never really finished until someone shoots the programmer.
>> ;-)
>
>And even then it lives on with OOP.  Your module becomes my module
>becomes his module becomes...
>
Yeah, and each succeeding generation thinks the previous ones work is crap, 
so he fixes it, only adding 2 more bugs for every one he thinks he is fixing.

2/3rds of the back yard knocked down, hip joints screaming.  I am gonna go 
buy a rider yet...  But it will have to be after a figure out how to revoke 
Dee's backseat drivers license.  She thinks all I need is the exercise.  ;-)


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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Mark Wendt]

On 05/25/2010 09:28 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> No, what I really intended to do was fix the link too, and got distracted.
> Sorry.  I've put 600+_ miles on the GMC since then, which was part of the
> distraction.  I'm a 75 year old broadcast engineer, who keeps trying to
> retire&  they won't let me.  I'm reminded of that old saw about a program,
> its never really finished until someone shoots the programmer. ;-)

And even then it lives on with OOP.  Your module becomes my module 
becomes his module becomes...

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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 24 May 2010, EKCo Inc Don Stanley wrote:
>Hi Gean;
>The link you sent is very helpful.
>Thanks.
>You sent me two emails Saturday. They both had the
>same link. Was that what you intended?
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Gene Heskett" 
>To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
>Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 5:06 PM
>Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.
>
>> On Saturday 22 May 2010, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> >On Saturday 22 May 2010, EKCo Inc Don Stanley wrote:
>> >>Hi All;
>> >>Does anyone know if there are Howto files for EMC available
>> >>on the internet or anywhere?
>> >>
>> >>For Linux, those type files really makes incredible detailed and
>> >>complicated setup operations a cook book process.
>> >>Even if they do not address your exact problem they show all the
>> >>things that need to be addressed.
>> >>
>> >>Here is hoping.
>> >>Thanks
>> >>Don
>> >
>> >Don, please take a look at <http://wiki.linuxcnc.org, its pretty
>
>complete.
>
>> Gahh, damned fingers can't keep up with what I'm thinking.  The other
>> link should be better anyway.
>>

No, what I really intended to do was fix the link too, and got distracted.  
Sorry.  I've put 600+_ miles on the GMC since then, which was part of the 
distraction.  I'm a 75 year old broadcast engineer, who keeps trying to 
retire & they won't let me.  I'm reminded of that old saw about a program, 
its never really finished until someone shoots the programmer. ;-)

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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[EKCo Inc Don Stanley]

Thanks Chris;
I have learned the hard way, your 2.4 list below appears
to be what is in the EMC 2.3 But not in the 2.3 Integrator Manual.
Don

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To: "EMC" 
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.


>
>
>
> > > My information so far has been the Integrator Manual
> > > and examples files. This is a difficult task  with no examples
> > > of this equipment configuration: and a very important
> > > "motenc.0.enc-0x-index-enable" pin missing from the
> > > Integrator Manual.
> > >
> > >   I am now informed that there is indeed a
> > > "motenc.0.enc-0x-index-enable" pin in the hal_motenc.
> > >
> > > Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> > >  Thanks
>
> This is from the 2.4 branch source code:
>
>  *
>  * This is the driver for the Vital Systems MOTENC-100 board.
>  * The board includes 8 quadrature decoders, 8 analog inputs,
>  * 8 analog outputs, 68 digital inputs, 32 digital outputs,
>  * programable timer interrupts, a watch dog timer, and a hardware
>  * E-STOP circuit.
>
>  * The following items are exported to the HAL.  is read
>  * from the jumper settings on the MOTENC-100 board and is formated
>  * as "%d".  is formated as "%02d".
>  *
>  * Encoders:
>  *   Parameters:
>  *floatmotenc..enc--scale
>  *
>  *   Pins:
>  *s32motenc..enc--count
>  *floatmotenc..enc--position
>  *bitmotenc..enc--index
>  *bitmotenc..enc--index-enable
>  *bitmotenc..enc--reset
>  *
>  *   Functions:
>  *voidmotenc..encoder-read
>  *
>  *
>  * DACs:
>  *   Parameters:
>  *floatmotenc..dac--offset
>  *floatmotenc..dac--gain
>  *
>  *   Pins:
>  *floatmotenc..dac--value
>  *
>  *   Functions:
>  *voidmotenc..dac-write
>  *
>  * ADC:
>  *   Parameters:
>  *floatmotenc..adc--offset
>  *floatmotenc..adc--gain
>  *
>  *   Pins:
>  *floatmotenc..adc--value
>  *
>  *   Functions:
>  *voidmotenc..adc-read
>  *
>  *
>  * Digital In:
>  *   Pins:
>  *bitmotenc..pin--in
>  *bitmotenc..pin--in-not
>  *
>  *   Functions:
>  *voidmotenc..digital-in-read
>  *
>  *
>  * Digital Out:
>  *   Parameters:
>  *bitmotenc..pin--out-invert
>  *
>  *   Pins:
>  *bitmotenc..pin--out
>  *
>  *   Functions:
>  *voidmotenc..digital-out-write
>  *
>  *
>  * Miscellaneous:
>  *   Parameters:
>  *u32motenc..watchdog-control
>  *MOTENC_WATCHDOG_CTL_8MS0x
>  *MOTENC_WATCHDOG_CTL_16MS0x0001
>  *MOTENC_WATCHDOG_CTL_ENABLE0x0004
>  *MOTENC_WATCHDOG_CTL_AUTO_RESET  0x0010 // Reset by DAC
writes.
>  *
>  *   Pins:
>  *bitmotenc..estop-in
>  *bitmotenc..estop-in-not
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Chris Morley]

> > My information so far has been the Integrator Manual
> > and examples files. This is a difficult task  with no examples
> > of this equipment configuration: and a very important
> > "motenc.0.enc-0x-index-enable" pin missing from the
> > Integrator Manual.
> >
> >   I am now informed that there is indeed a
> > "motenc.0.enc-0x-index-enable" pin in the hal_motenc.
> >
> > Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> >  Thanks

This is from the 2.4 branch source code:

 *
 * This is the driver for the Vital Systems MOTENC-100 board.
 * The board includes 8 quadrature decoders, 8 analog inputs,
 * 8 analog outputs, 68 digital inputs, 32 digital outputs,
 * programable timer interrupts, a watch dog timer, and a hardware
 * E-STOP circuit.
 
 * The following items are exported to the HAL.  is read
 * from the jumper settings on the MOTENC-100 board and is formated
 * as "%d".  is formated as "%02d".
 *
 * Encoders:
 *   Parameters:
 *floatmotenc..enc--scale
 *
 *   Pins:
 *s32motenc..enc--count
 *floatmotenc..enc--position
 *bitmotenc..enc--index
 *bitmotenc..enc--index-enable
 *bitmotenc..enc--reset
 *
 *   Functions:
 *voidmotenc..encoder-read
 *
 *
 * DACs:
 *   Parameters:
 *floatmotenc..dac--offset
 *floatmotenc..dac--gain
 *
 *   Pins:
 *floatmotenc..dac--value
 *
 *   Functions:
 *voidmotenc..dac-write
 *
 * ADC:
 *   Parameters:
 *floatmotenc..adc--offset
 *floatmotenc..adc--gain
 *
 *   Pins:
 *floatmotenc..adc--value
 *
 *   Functions:
 *voidmotenc..adc-read
 *
 *
 * Digital In:
 *   Pins:
 *bitmotenc..pin--in
 *bitmotenc..pin--in-not
 *
 *   Functions:
 *voidmotenc..digital-in-read
 *
 *
 * Digital Out:
 *   Parameters:
 *bitmotenc..pin--out-invert
 *
 *   Pins:
 *bitmotenc..pin--out
 *
 *   Functions:
 *voidmotenc..digital-out-write
 *
 *
 * Miscellaneous:
 *   Parameters:
 *u32motenc..watchdog-control
 *MOTENC_WATCHDOG_CTL_8MS0x
 *MOTENC_WATCHDOG_CTL_16MS0x0001
 *MOTENC_WATCHDOG_CTL_ENABLE0x0004
 *MOTENC_WATCHDOG_CTL_AUTO_RESET  0x0010 // Reset by DAC writes.
 *
 *   Pins:
 *bitmotenc..estop-in
 *bitmotenc..estop-in-not
 
  
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[Dave]

On 5/24/2010 4:42 PM, EKCo Inc Don Stanley wrote:
> Hi Dave;
> I am trying to configure a servo lathe using the
> Motenc light interface, loaded with the EMC 2.3 Live Disk.
> With features  CSS, Threading, and Home at the index after
> Limit/Home Switch positioning.
>
> My information so far has been the Integrator Manual
> and examples files. This is a difficult task  with no examples
> of this equipment configuration: and a very important
> "motenc.0.enc-0x-index-enable" pin missing from the
> Integrator Manual.
>
>   I am now informed that there is indeed a
> "motenc.0.enc-0x-index-enable" pin in the hal_motenc.
>
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>  Thanks
>  Don
>
>
There is a motenc config example in the 2.4 software, but the motenc hal 
component is not in the 2.4 software.  I think they decided to remove 
device specific files for devices such as the
Mesa boards and the Vital systems boards.  But they did have the device 
specific hal components in the 2.3 software.

Are you working from the motenc example file in version 2.3?Vital 
systems should be able to supply you with a sample config that works 
with 2.3 for a servo system, or you should be able to use the config 
from version 2.4 with
a few changes.

I'm not familiar with that board set or the motenc driver.  Sorry.

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[EKCo Inc Don Stanley]

Hi Frank;
I was linked there this weekend and it does look helpful.
I will try to add something as soon as I learn anything.
Thanks
Don

- Original Message -
From: "Frank Tkalcevic" 
To: "'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)'" 
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.


> This is really something that new users like yourself should consider
> contributing to the wiki.  Experienced users will generally think all
those
> "how to add X to .ini or .hal" as basic things everyone should know -
given
> the type of questions on the mailing list, this is obviously not true.
>
> The wiki is available for everyone to edit.  It's simple to add a new
HowTo
> list page. And then add the how to topic pages.
>
> Frank
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: EKCo Inc Don Stanley [mailto:e...@embarqmail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, 23 May 2010 7:37 AM
> > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.
> >
> > Thanks Alex;   Seriously.
> > That is a list of WHAT is available, or what to do.
> > I was hoping for list of  HOWTO and WHY to pick from the WHAT
> > list for a given feature or function.
> >
> > Most of the traffic on this mailing list is people trying to
> > discover what to put into the .ini and .hal files to make
> > their machine do what EMC is capable of doing.
> > It appears many people may be accepting less performance
> > because they can not afford the time to discover the better
> > way (by experimenting).
> > And that is a shame when EMC is such a powerful tool.
> >
> > This is not a rebuttal Alex, but a plea.
> > Seriously
> >     Thanks
> >     Don
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Alex Joni" 
> > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> > 
> > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 2:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.
> >
> >
> > > http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview//2.4/html/
> > >
> > > scroll down...
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Alex
> > >
> > > On 5/22/2010 9:20 PM, EKCo Inc Don Stanley wrote:
> > > > Hi All;
> > > > Does anyone know if there are Howto files for EMC
> > available on the
> > > > internet or anywhere?
> > > >
> > > > For Linux, those type files really makes incredible detailed and
> > > > complicated setup operations a cook book process.
> > > > Even if they do not address your exact problem they show all the
> > > > things that need to be addressed.
> > > >
> > > > Here is hoping.
> > > >  Thanks
> > > >  Don
> > > >
> > >
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[EKCo Inc Don Stanley]

Hi Dave;
I am trying to configure a servo lathe using the
Motenc light interface, loaded with the EMC 2.3 Live Disk.
With features  CSS, Threading, and Home at the index after
Limit/Home Switch positioning.

My information so far has been the Integrator Manual
and examples files. This is a difficult task  with no examples
of this equipment configuration: and a very important
"motenc.0.enc-0x-index-enable" pin missing from the
Integrator Manual.

 I am now informed that there is indeed a
"motenc.0.enc-0x-index-enable" pin in the hal_motenc.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Don

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To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.


> Don,
>
> Can you give an examples of what you are talking about?
>
> Are you looking for a HOWTO on a Mill conversion or a lathe
> Conversion... a plasma cutter, a router...??
>
> You could write a book on how to do that...  In fact I think there are a
> few that have already been written!
>
> EMC2 is used for many things.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 5/22/2010 5:37 PM, EKCo Inc Don Stanley wrote:
> > Thanks Alex;   Seriously.
> > That is a list of WHAT is available, or what to do.
> > I was hoping for list of  HOWTO and WHY to pick
> > from the WHAT list for a given feature or function.
> >
> > Most of the traffic on this mailing list is people trying to
> > discover what to put into the .ini and .hal files to make their
> > machine do what EMC is capable of doing.
> > It appears many people may be accepting less performance
> > because they can not afford the time to discover the better
> > way (by experimenting).
> > And that is a shame when EMC is such a powerful tool.
> >
> > This is not a rebuttal Alex, but a plea.
> >  Seriously
> >  Thanks
> >      Don
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Alex Joni"
> > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 2:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.
> >
> >
> >
> >> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview//2.4/html/
> >>
> >> scroll down...
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Alex
> >>
> >> On 5/22/2010 9:20 PM, EKCo Inc Don Stanley wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi All;
> >>> Does anyone know if there are Howto files for EMC available
> >>> on the internet or anywhere?
> >>>
> >>> For Linux, those type files really makes incredible detailed and
> >>> complicated setup operations a cook book process.
> >>> Even if they do not address your exact problem they show all the
> >>> things that need to be addressed.
> >>>
> >>> Here is hoping.
> >>>   Thanks
> >>>   Don
> >>>
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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[EKCo Inc Don Stanley]

Hi Gean;
The link you sent is very helpful.
Thanks.
You sent me two emails Saturday. They both had the
same link. Was that what you intended?


- Original Message -
From: "Gene Heskett" 
To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.


> On Saturday 22 May 2010, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >On Saturday 22 May 2010, EKCo Inc Don Stanley wrote:
> >>Hi All;
> >>Does anyone know if there are Howto files for EMC available
> >>on the internet or anywhere?
> >>
> >>For Linux, those type files really makes incredible detailed and
> >>complicated setup operations a cook book process.
> >>Even if they do not address your exact problem they show all the
> >>things that need to be addressed.
> >>
> >>Here is hoping.
> >>Thanks
> >>Don
> >
> >Don, please take a look at <http://wiki.linuxcnc.org, its pretty
complete.
> >
> Gahh, damned fingers can't keep up with what I'm thinking.  The other link
> should be better anyway.
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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Dave]

Don,

Can you give an examples of what you are talking about?

Are you looking for a HOWTO on a Mill conversion or a lathe 
Conversion... a plasma cutter, a router...??

You could write a book on how to do that...  In fact I think there are a 
few that have already been written!

EMC2 is used for many things.

Dave


On 5/22/2010 5:37 PM, EKCo Inc Don Stanley wrote:
> Thanks Alex;   Seriously.
> That is a list of WHAT is available, or what to do.
> I was hoping for list of  HOWTO and WHY to pick
> from the WHAT list for a given feature or function.
>
> Most of the traffic on this mailing list is people trying to
> discover what to put into the .ini and .hal files to make their
> machine do what EMC is capable of doing.
> It appears many people may be accepting less performance
> because they can not afford the time to discover the better
> way (by experimenting).
> And that is a shame when EMC is such a powerful tool.
>
> This is not a rebuttal Alex, but a plea.
>  Seriously
>  Thanks
>  Don
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Alex Joni"
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 2:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.
>
>
>
>> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview//2.4/html/
>>
>> scroll down...
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alex
>>
>> On 5/22/2010 9:20 PM, EKCo Inc Don Stanley wrote:
>>  
>>> Hi All;
>>> Does anyone know if there are Howto files for EMC available
>>> on the internet or anywhere?
>>>
>>> For Linux, those type files really makes incredible detailed and
>>> complicated setup operations a cook book process.
>>> Even if they do not address your exact problem they show all the
>>> things that need to be addressed.
>>>
>>> Here is hoping.
>>>   Thanks
>>>   Don
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Frank Tkalcevic]

This is really something that new users like yourself should consider
contributing to the wiki.  Experienced users will generally think all those
"how to add X to .ini or .hal" as basic things everyone should know - given
the type of questions on the mailing list, this is obviously not true.

The wiki is available for everyone to edit.  It's simple to add a new HowTo
list page. And then add the how to topic pages.

Frank

> -Original Message-
> From: EKCo Inc Don Stanley [mailto:e...@embarqmail.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, 23 May 2010 7:37 AM
> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.
> 
> Thanks Alex;   Seriously.
> That is a list of WHAT is available, or what to do.
> I was hoping for list of  HOWTO and WHY to pick from the WHAT 
> list for a given feature or function.
> 
> Most of the traffic on this mailing list is people trying to 
> discover what to put into the .ini and .hal files to make 
> their machine do what EMC is capable of doing.
> It appears many people may be accepting less performance 
> because they can not afford the time to discover the better 
> way (by experimenting).
> And that is a shame when EMC is such a powerful tool.
> 
> This is not a rebuttal Alex, but a plea.
> Seriously
> Thanks
> Don
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Alex Joni" 
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
> 
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 2:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.
> 
> 
> > http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview//2.4/html/
> >
> > scroll down...
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Alex
> >
> > On 5/22/2010 9:20 PM, EKCo Inc Don Stanley wrote:
> > > Hi All;
> > > Does anyone know if there are Howto files for EMC 
> available on the 
> > > internet or anywhere?
> > >
> > > For Linux, those type files really makes incredible detailed and 
> > > complicated setup operations a cook book process.
> > > Even if they do not address your exact problem they show all the 
> > > things that need to be addressed.
> > >
> > > Here is hoping.
> > >  Thanks
> > >  Don
> > >
> >
> > 
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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[EKCo Inc Don Stanley]

Thanks Alex;   Seriously.
That is a list of WHAT is available, or what to do.
I was hoping for list of  HOWTO and WHY to pick
from the WHAT list for a given feature or function.

Most of the traffic on this mailing list is people trying to
discover what to put into the .ini and .hal files to make their
machine do what EMC is capable of doing.
It appears many people may be accepting less performance
because they can not afford the time to discover the better
way (by experimenting).
And that is a shame when EMC is such a powerful tool.

This is not a rebuttal Alex, but a plea.
Seriously
Thanks
Don

- Original Message -
From: "Alex Joni" 
To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.


> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview//2.4/html/
>
> scroll down...
>
>
> Regards,
> Alex
>
> On 5/22/2010 9:20 PM, EKCo Inc Don Stanley wrote:
> > Hi All;
> > Does anyone know if there are Howto files for EMC available
> > on the internet or anywhere?
> >
> > For Linux, those type files really makes incredible detailed and
> > complicated setup operations a cook book process.
> > Even if they do not address your exact problem they show all the
> > things that need to be addressed.
> >
> > Here is hoping.
> >  Thanks
> >  Don
> >
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 22 May 2010, Gene Heskett wrote:
>On Saturday 22 May 2010, EKCo Inc Don Stanley wrote:
>>Hi All;
>>Does anyone know if there are Howto files for EMC available
>>on the internet or anywhere?
>>
>>For Linux, those type files really makes incredible detailed and
>>complicated setup operations a cook book process.
>>Even if they do not address your exact problem they show all the
>>things that need to be addressed.
>>
>>Here is hoping.
>>Thanks
>>Don
>
>Don, please take a look at 
Gahh, damned fingers can't keep up with what I'm thinking.  The other link 
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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 22 May 2010, EKCo Inc Don Stanley wrote:
>Hi All;
>Does anyone know if there are Howto files for EMC available
>on the internet or anywhere?
>
>For Linux, those type files really makes incredible detailed and
>complicated setup operations a cook book process.
>Even if they do not address your exact problem they show all the
>things that need to be addressed.
>
>Here is hoping.
>Thanks
>Don
>
Don, please take a look at 
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Re: [Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[Alex Joni]

http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview//2.4/html/

scroll down...


Regards,
Alex

On 5/22/2010 9:20 PM, EKCo Inc Don Stanley wrote:
> Hi All;
> Does anyone know if there are Howto files for EMC available
> on the internet or anywhere?
>
> For Linux, those type files really makes incredible detailed and
> complicated setup operations a cook book process.
> Even if they do not address your exact problem they show all the
> things that need to be addressed.
>
> Here is hoping.
>  Thanks
>  Don
>
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[Emc-users] Howto files for EMC.

[EKCo Inc Don Stanley]

Hi All;
Does anyone know if there are Howto files for EMC available
on the internet or anywhere?

For Linux, those type files really makes incredible detailed and
complicated setup operations a cook book process.
Even if they do not address your exact problem they show all the
things that need to be addressed.

Here is hoping.
Thanks
Don

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