Re: [Emc-users] Router spindle choices
Some folks say to skip the matching vfd. If you look close on those vfd's, it looks the the overlay was made on a copy machine. On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Charles Buckley rijrun...@gmail.comwrote: That matches my experience with chinese water cooled spindles. The air cooled ones I bought were also nice. On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Bruce Layne linux...@thinkingdevices.comwrote: I bought 10kg of titanium rod via Alibaba, from my Chinese communist capitalist friends. Including shipping and the escrow fee, it was about half of the best price I could find in the USA. The quality seems very good. Next time, I think I'll order 20kg. Speaking of spindles and the Chinese... I'm still digging my inexpensive Chinese water cooled spindles for my two CNC routers, although I have zero spindle time on one and little time on the other. The spindles spin unbelievably smoothly - much nicer than very expensive spindles I've seen on high end CNC machines, and my Chinese spindle motors make the woodworking routers that many people use on hobby CNC routers look like they're using gravel for bearings. The water cooled Chinese spindle motors shipped with matching VFDs, and the cost was maybe $300 or so? Very low cost for the high quality, and that makes for good value. They run so smoothly that I'm probably getting longer life from my carbide tooling, so that would result in even more value. But back on the thread topic, I am still changing tools by hand. :-( On 10/20/2013 09:41 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 21 October 2013 02:20, Erik Friesen e...@aercon.net wrote: alibaba... Shudder. Good point, I can't claim to have ever tried buying from there. However I did find responsive folk responding to emails for quotes and queries. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135991iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Router spindle choices
@Bruce Layne, who did you get those spindles from? If the alibaba poster doesn't want to give a quote for 1 item, then why would they put 1-xxx amount on their listing? My rfq was over the minimum quote amount on each quote request. I am not going to spend $3000 on an atc right now, I have been thinking that an automatic Z zero would take about 3/4 of the work out of tool changes. On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 1:00 AM, Sven Wesley svenne.d...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/10/21 Bruce Layne linux...@thinkingdevices.com I bought 10kg of titanium rod via Alibaba, from my Chinese communist capitalist friends. Including shipping and the escrow fee, it was about half of the best price I could find in the USA. The quality seems very good. Next time, I think I'll order 20kg. Speaking of spindles and the Chinese... I'm still digging my inexpensive Chinese water cooled spindles for my two CNC routers, although I have zero spindle time on one and little time on the other. The spindles spin unbelievably smoothly - much nicer than very expensive spindles I've seen on high end CNC machines, and my Chinese spindle motors make the woodworking routers that many people use on hobby CNC routers look like they're using gravel for bearings. The water cooled Chinese spindle motors shipped with matching VFDs, and the cost was maybe $300 or so? Very low cost for the high quality, and that makes for good value. They run so smoothly that I'm probably getting longer life from my carbide tooling, so that would result in even more value. But back on the thread topic, I am still changing tools by hand. :-( I think you guys don't get the idea with alibaba, that's a trader's place and if you are quoting items in countable numbers they aren't interested. I buy from several traders but my volumes are like a joke to them. You should check http://www.aliexpress.com/ instead where you can buy items in eBay style. There are quite a few ATC spindles like the kickstarter project under 800 bucks. Even better, they are made for BT30. http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=atc+spindlecatId=0initiative_id=SB_20131020205212 /Sven -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Router spindle choices
That matches my experience with chinese water cooled spindles. The air cooled ones I bought were also nice. On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Bruce Layne linux...@thinkingdevices.comwrote: I bought 10kg of titanium rod via Alibaba, from my Chinese communist capitalist friends. Including shipping and the escrow fee, it was about half of the best price I could find in the USA. The quality seems very good. Next time, I think I'll order 20kg. Speaking of spindles and the Chinese... I'm still digging my inexpensive Chinese water cooled spindles for my two CNC routers, although I have zero spindle time on one and little time on the other. The spindles spin unbelievably smoothly - much nicer than very expensive spindles I've seen on high end CNC machines, and my Chinese spindle motors make the woodworking routers that many people use on hobby CNC routers look like they're using gravel for bearings. The water cooled Chinese spindle motors shipped with matching VFDs, and the cost was maybe $300 or so? Very low cost for the high quality, and that makes for good value. They run so smoothly that I'm probably getting longer life from my carbide tooling, so that would result in even more value. But back on the thread topic, I am still changing tools by hand. :-( On 10/20/2013 09:41 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 21 October 2013 02:20, Erik Friesen e...@aercon.net wrote: alibaba... Shudder. Good point, I can't claim to have ever tried buying from there. However I did find responsive folk responding to emails for quotes and queries. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Router spindle choices
This is an interesting project - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/19659206/cnc-bt15-iso15-atc-spindles-cartridge-and-spindle Although its unclear to me what a complete system including drive motor looks like. Would you end up getting the same amount into it as buying one of these? - http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-spindle/atc-spindle-2 I haven't found anything in between, I would like a quickchange, but most everything seems built for a mill setting. My current setup is a bosch colt with think and tinker collets, but after 100s of hours of use and one bad bearing, I am ready to move to something quieter. There is a plethora of chinese spindles and vfd's, are they to be avoided? -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Router spindle choices
On 10/20/2013 2:46 PM, Erik Friesen wrote: This is an interesting project - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/19659206/cnc-bt15-iso15-atc-spindles-cartridge-and-spindle Some of you are already familiar with my BT30 spindle cartridges... Count me among those not familiar. If that could be retrofit to my Acra knee mill... ;) -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Router spindle choices
On 20 October 2013 21:46, Erik Friesen e...@aercon.net wrote: This is an interesting project - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/19659206/cnc-bt15-iso15-atc-spindles-cartridge-and-spindle $115 for the petals? Crikey, I gave 2 spare sets I made away! You can buy an integrated motor/spindle with an ATC for not that much more than he is asking. http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=yIndexArea=product_enCatId=SearchText=BT30++spindle (actually, looking, some of those may not be as described). That was a search for BT30, the Kickstarter was BT15. (I am not at all sure where you would source those). Good luck to the guy, but he isn't selling anything for which you can't already download models. atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Router spindle choices
alibaba... Shudder. On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 7:56 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 October 2013 21:46, Erik Friesen e...@aercon.net wrote: This is an interesting project - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/19659206/cnc-bt15-iso15-atc-spindles-cartridge-and-spindle $115 for the petals? Crikey, I gave 2 spare sets I made away! You can buy an integrated motor/spindle with an ATC for not that much more than he is asking. http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=yIndexArea=product_enCatId=SearchText=BT30++spindle (actually, looking, some of those may not be as described). That was a search for BT30, the Kickstarter was BT15. (I am not at all sure where you would source those). Good luck to the guy, but he isn't selling anything for which you can't already download models. atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Router spindle choices
I recently sent off rfq's to three places on alibaba for bldc stators. Not one replied back. The company I work for has ordered pumps through alibaba, its nothing but trouble it seems to us. On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Erik Friesen e...@aercon.net wrote: alibaba... Shudder. On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 7:56 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 October 2013 21:46, Erik Friesen e...@aercon.net wrote: This is an interesting project - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/19659206/cnc-bt15-iso15-atc-spindles-cartridge-and-spindle $115 for the petals? Crikey, I gave 2 spare sets I made away! You can buy an integrated motor/spindle with an ATC for not that much more than he is asking. http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=yIndexArea=product_enCatId=SearchText=BT30++spindle (actually, looking, some of those may not be as described). That was a search for BT30, the Kickstarter was BT15. (I am not at all sure where you would source those). Good luck to the guy, but he isn't selling anything for which you can't already download models. atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Router spindle choices
On 21 October 2013 02:20, Erik Friesen e...@aercon.net wrote: alibaba... Shudder. Good point, I can't claim to have ever tried buying from there. However I did find responsive folk responding to emails for quotes and queries. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Router spindle choices
I bought 10kg of titanium rod via Alibaba, from my Chinese communist capitalist friends. Including shipping and the escrow fee, it was about half of the best price I could find in the USA. The quality seems very good. Next time, I think I'll order 20kg. Speaking of spindles and the Chinese... I'm still digging my inexpensive Chinese water cooled spindles for my two CNC routers, although I have zero spindle time on one and little time on the other. The spindles spin unbelievably smoothly - much nicer than very expensive spindles I've seen on high end CNC machines, and my Chinese spindle motors make the woodworking routers that many people use on hobby CNC routers look like they're using gravel for bearings. The water cooled Chinese spindle motors shipped with matching VFDs, and the cost was maybe $300 or so? Very low cost for the high quality, and that makes for good value. They run so smoothly that I'm probably getting longer life from my carbide tooling, so that would result in even more value. But back on the thread topic, I am still changing tools by hand. :-( On 10/20/2013 09:41 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 21 October 2013 02:20, Erik Friesen e...@aercon.net wrote: alibaba... Shudder. Good point, I can't claim to have ever tried buying from there. However I did find responsive folk responding to emails for quotes and queries. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Router spindle choices
2013/10/21 Bruce Layne linux...@thinkingdevices.com I bought 10kg of titanium rod via Alibaba, from my Chinese communist capitalist friends. Including shipping and the escrow fee, it was about half of the best price I could find in the USA. The quality seems very good. Next time, I think I'll order 20kg. Speaking of spindles and the Chinese... I'm still digging my inexpensive Chinese water cooled spindles for my two CNC routers, although I have zero spindle time on one and little time on the other. The spindles spin unbelievably smoothly - much nicer than very expensive spindles I've seen on high end CNC machines, and my Chinese spindle motors make the woodworking routers that many people use on hobby CNC routers look like they're using gravel for bearings. The water cooled Chinese spindle motors shipped with matching VFDs, and the cost was maybe $300 or so? Very low cost for the high quality, and that makes for good value. They run so smoothly that I'm probably getting longer life from my carbide tooling, so that would result in even more value. But back on the thread topic, I am still changing tools by hand. :-( I think you guys don't get the idea with alibaba, that's a trader's place and if you are quoting items in countable numbers they aren't interested. I buy from several traders but my volumes are like a joke to them. You should check http://www.aliexpress.com/ instead where you can buy items in eBay style. There are quite a few ATC spindles like the kickstarter project under 800 bucks. Even better, they are made for BT30. http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=atc+spindlecatId=0initiative_id=SB_20131020205212 /Sven -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
