Re: [Emc-users] Way OT: Cannot see Workgroup Computers

2016-03-29 Thread Rick Lair 
Command line work in the shop would never happen, I'm pretty sure they 
would tell me to get F$%*ed, and go sit in the break room ;)

The router issue wasn't a big deal, I was leery from the start due to 
the quickbooks issue, I didn't want to reboot the router because I know 
it kicks her out of her session, luckily she had to leave early 
yesterday so I did the reboot, and it still gave us hell this morning. I 
was just looking for an alternative to powering down the router was all.

Rick



On 03/29/2016 12:00 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 29 March 2016 11:21:05 Rick Lair wrote:
>
>> Late yesterday I rebooted the router and everything came back, but
>> then I blew the connection to the accountants Quickbooks files on the
>> server, fixed one problem, created another that took an hour to fix
>> this morning, go figure,,
>>
>> Thanks Guys
>>
>> On 3/29/2016 9:17 AM, John Thornton wrote:
>>> Rebooting the router or computer usually fixes this issue for me.
>>>
>>> JT
>>>
>>> On 3/28/2016 8:47 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
 In know this is way off topic, but if anybody would possibly know,
 I'm sure they are floating around here somewhere,

 We have a small network here at the shop, roughly a dozen PC's and
 4 CNC's ( my linuxcnc builds) that are all networked together,
 using a workgroup type setup, not a domain. Most of the time
 everything works fine, but randomly ( right now) when you try to
 look at one of the other workgroup computers, there is nothing
 there. On my wheezy machine I clicked on the "Network" selection,
 and then clicked on the "Windows Network" link, and there is
 nothing there. So I went back to XP machine, and went and clicked
 "View Workgroup Computers", and a popup box comes up after about 10
 seconds that says " The list of servers for this workgroup is
 currently unavailable". On both machines, I can access the internet
 just fine, I pinged the wheezy machine from my XP machine, and
 everything looks fine there, so what could possibly cause it not
 see/display the other PC's in the network managers of either
 machine?
> Rick, I can't help since you're using a windows mix. If you were a  pure
> linux house, sshfs is the bee's knee's. Once setup by installing the
> sshfs bits, making a root of the tree /sshnet directory, and generating
> and exchanging the ssh keys, its as simple as this 3 liner in
> my /etc/rc.local.
>
> su gene -c "sshfs gene@shop:/ /sshnet/shop"
> su gene -c "sshfs gene@lathe:/ /sshnet/lathe"
> su gene -c "sshfs gene@GO704:/ /sshnet/GO704"
>
> And anything I have user rights to is 100% available to me here on this
> machine. If I need root to do something, its as close as sudo.  In fact,
> my sim install here, uses the /sshnet/GO704/home/gene/linuxcnc/nc_files
> directory as its nc_files directory, so I can edit from here, a file on
> that machine and then go run it.  That link does NOT go away if I reboot
> one of those machines, or this one. No samba|cifs|nfs finickiness, it
> Just Works(TM).
>
> I might add that because of the keys exchange, I am known instantly on
> those machines without having to enter my user pw, a simple
>   "ssh -Y shop"
> And I am logged into my home dir on the machine that runs the toy mill.
>
> Whats not to like?
>
> I outlawed winders on my property when I was still using an Amiga as my
> work machine.  That was in the 90's.  But I've been pure linux since
> about 1999 here. I don't miss the licensing headache called windows a
> bit.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

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Re: [Emc-users] Way OT: Cannot see Workgroup Computers

2016-03-29 Thread Gene Heskett 
On Tuesday 29 March 2016 11:21:05 Rick Lair wrote:

> Late yesterday I rebooted the router and everything came back, but
> then I blew the connection to the accountants Quickbooks files on the
> server, fixed one problem, created another that took an hour to fix
> this morning, go figure,,
>
> Thanks Guys
>
> On 3/29/2016 9:17 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> > Rebooting the router or computer usually fixes this issue for me.
> >
> > JT
> >
> > On 3/28/2016 8:47 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> >> In know this is way off topic, but if anybody would possibly know,
> >> I'm sure they are floating around here somewhere,
> >>
> >> We have a small network here at the shop, roughly a dozen PC's and
> >> 4 CNC's ( my linuxcnc builds) that are all networked together,
> >> using a workgroup type setup, not a domain. Most of the time
> >> everything works fine, but randomly ( right now) when you try to
> >> look at one of the other workgroup computers, there is nothing
> >> there. On my wheezy machine I clicked on the "Network" selection,
> >> and then clicked on the "Windows Network" link, and there is
> >> nothing there. So I went back to XP machine, and went and clicked
> >> "View Workgroup Computers", and a popup box comes up after about 10
> >> seconds that says " The list of servers for this workgroup is
> >> currently unavailable". On both machines, I can access the internet
> >> just fine, I pinged the wheezy machine from my XP machine, and
> >> everything looks fine there, so what could possibly cause it not
> >> see/display the other PC's in the network managers of either
> >> machine?

Rick, I can't help since you're using a windows mix. If you were a  pure 
linux house, sshfs is the bee's knee's. Once setup by installing the 
sshfs bits, making a root of the tree /sshnet directory, and generating 
and exchanging the ssh keys, its as simple as this 3 liner in 
my /etc/rc.local.

su gene -c "sshfs gene@shop:/ /sshnet/shop"
su gene -c "sshfs gene@lathe:/ /sshnet/lathe"
su gene -c "sshfs gene@GO704:/ /sshnet/GO704"

And anything I have user rights to is 100% available to me here on this 
machine. If I need root to do something, its as close as sudo.  In fact, 
my sim install here, uses the /sshnet/GO704/home/gene/linuxcnc/nc_files 
directory as its nc_files directory, so I can edit from here, a file on 
that machine and then go run it.  That link does NOT go away if I reboot 
one of those machines, or this one. No samba|cifs|nfs finickiness, it 
Just Works(TM).

I might add that because of the keys exchange, I am known instantly on 
those machines without having to enter my user pw, a simple
 "ssh -Y shop"
And I am logged into my home dir on the machine that runs the toy mill.

Whats not to like?

I outlawed winders on my property when I was still using an Amiga as my 
work machine.  That was in the 90's.  But I've been pure linux since 
about 1999 here. I don't miss the licensing headache called windows a 
bit.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] Way OT: Cannot see Workgroup Computers

2016-03-29 Thread Rick Lair 
Late yesterday I rebooted the router and everything came back, but then 
I blew the connection to the accountants Quickbooks files on the server, 
fixed one problem, created another that took an hour to fix this 
morning, go figure,,

Thanks Guys



On 3/29/2016 9:17 AM, John Thornton wrote:
> Rebooting the router or computer usually fixes this issue for me.
>
> JT
>
> On 3/28/2016 8:47 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
>> In know this is way off topic, but if anybody would possibly know, I'm
>> sure they are floating around here somewhere,
>>
>> We have a small network here at the shop, roughly a dozen PC's and 4
>> CNC's ( my linuxcnc builds) that are all networked together, using a
>> workgroup type setup, not a domain. Most of the time everything works
>> fine, but randomly ( right now) when you try to look at one of the other
>> workgroup computers, there is nothing there. On my wheezy machine I
>> clicked on the "Network" selection, and then clicked on the "Windows
>> Network" link, and there is nothing there. So I went back to XP machine,
>> and went and clicked "View Workgroup Computers", and a popup box comes
>> up after about 10 seconds that says " The list of servers for this
>> workgroup is currently unavailable". On both machines, I can access the
>> internet just fine, I pinged the wheezy machine from my XP machine, and
>> everything looks fine there, so what could possibly cause it not
>> see/display the other PC's in the network managers of either machine?
>>
>>
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Re: [Emc-users] Way OT: Cannot see Workgroup Computers

2016-03-29 Thread John Thornton 
Rebooting the router or computer usually fixes this issue for me.

JT

On 3/28/2016 8:47 AM, Rick Lair wrote:
> In know this is way off topic, but if anybody would possibly know, I'm
> sure they are floating around here somewhere,
>
> We have a small network here at the shop, roughly a dozen PC's and 4
> CNC's ( my linuxcnc builds) that are all networked together, using a
> workgroup type setup, not a domain. Most of the time everything works
> fine, but randomly ( right now) when you try to look at one of the other
> workgroup computers, there is nothing there. On my wheezy machine I
> clicked on the "Network" selection, and then clicked on the "Windows
> Network" link, and there is nothing there. So I went back to XP machine,
> and went and clicked "View Workgroup Computers", and a popup box comes
> up after about 10 seconds that says " The list of servers for this
> workgroup is currently unavailable". On both machines, I can access the
> internet just fine, I pinged the wheezy machine from my XP machine, and
> everything looks fine there, so what could possibly cause it not
> see/display the other PC's in the network managers of either machine?
>
>


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Re: [Emc-users] Way OT: Cannot see Workgroup Computers

2016-03-28 Thread Erik Friesen 
Find a way to browse which PC is the master browser, see if it is shifting
around.  You may want to set one up as master.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Gregg Eshelman <g_ala...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Are you manually assigning IPs or are you using DHCP?
> There must be only one active source for DHCP on a LAN. You can use more
> but only if each one is serving IPs for different private IP address
> ranges. A DHCP source must be always on, or be turned on and ready before
> the systems it's assigning IPs to are turned on. So if your router is the
> DHCP source and you turn it off, your computers, printers etc can lose
> track of one another.
> Another method of not manually assigning IPs on each individual computer
> or other devices is with a BOOTP server. From a central source you can
> assign IP addresses to MAC addresses. 'Course you then need a BOOTP server
> process running on an anways or first on computer, or a router/modem with
> BOOTP capability - and you get to type in a bunch of MAC addresses.
> For my little LAN I manually set the printer's IP addresses but let the
> internet router use DHCP to assign IPs to the computers since I'm not
> currently doing any file sharing among them.
> I also set the printers to high numbered addresses like 192.168.0.186 and
> 192.168.0.192 so that the DHCP won't do stupid things like assigning a
> computer the same IP as a printer. It starts at 192.168.0.2 and increments
> the last number up from there.
> In my experience with Windows and networking (going back to version 3.0),
> Windows has an issue with forgetting where printers are when they have
> dynamically assigned IP addresses. Newer versions of Windows have a
> "dynamic" network printer option that's supposed to get around that but I
> haven't tried it. Setting a fixed IP and installing drivers for each
> printer on each computer works and stays working because it's not allowed
> to be altered by the whims of software.
>
>
>
>   From: Rick Lair <r...@superiorroll.com>
>  To: Emc Users <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
>  Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 7:47 AM
>  Subject: [Emc-users] Way OT: Cannot see Workgroup Computers
>
> In know this is way off topic, but if anybody would possibly know, I'm
> sure they are floating around here somewhere,
>
> We have a small network here at the shop, roughly a dozen PC's and 4
> CNC's ( my linuxcnc builds) that are all networked together, using a
> workgroup type setup, not a domain. Most of the time everything works
> fine, but randomly ( right now) when you try to look at one of the other
> workgroup computers, there is nothing there. On my wheezy machine I
> clicked on the "Network" selection, and then clicked on the "Windows
> Network" link, and there is nothing there. So I went back to XP machine,
> and went and clicked "View Workgroup Computers", and a popup box comes
> up after about 10 seconds that says " The list of servers for this
> workgroup is currently unavailable". On both machines, I can access the
> internet just fine, I pinged the wheezy machine from my XP machine, and
> everything looks fine there, so what could possibly cause it not
> see/display the other PC's in the network managers of either machine?
>
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Way OT: Cannot see Workgroup Computers

2016-03-28 Thread Gregg Eshelman 
Are you manually assigning IPs or are you using DHCP?
There must be only one active source for DHCP on a LAN. You can use more but 
only if each one is serving IPs for different private IP address ranges. A DHCP 
source must be always on, or be turned on and ready before the systems it's 
assigning IPs to are turned on. So if your router is the DHCP source and you 
turn it off, your computers, printers etc can lose track of one another.
Another method of not manually assigning IPs on each individual computer or 
other devices is with a BOOTP server. From a central source you can assign IP 
addresses to MAC addresses. 'Course you then need a BOOTP server process 
running on an anways or first on computer, or a router/modem with BOOTP 
capability - and you get to type in a bunch of MAC addresses.
For my little LAN I manually set the printer's IP addresses but let the 
internet router use DHCP to assign IPs to the computers since I'm not currently 
doing any file sharing among them.
I also set the printers to high numbered addresses like 192.168.0.186 and 
192.168.0.192 so that the DHCP won't do stupid things like assigning a computer 
the same IP as a printer. It starts at 192.168.0.2 and increments the last 
number up from there. 
In my experience with Windows and networking (going back to version 3.0), 
Windows has an issue with forgetting where printers are when they have 
dynamically assigned IP addresses. Newer versions of Windows have a "dynamic" 
network printer option that's supposed to get around that but I haven't tried 
it. Setting a fixed IP and installing drivers for each printer on each computer 
works and stays working because it's not allowed to be altered by the whims of 
software.


 
  From: Rick Lair <r...@superiorroll.com>
 To: Emc Users <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> 
 Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 7:47 AM
 Subject: [Emc-users] Way OT: Cannot see Workgroup Computers
   
In know this is way off topic, but if anybody would possibly know, I'm 
sure they are floating around here somewhere,

We have a small network here at the shop, roughly a dozen PC's and 4 
CNC's ( my linuxcnc builds) that are all networked together, using a 
workgroup type setup, not a domain. Most of the time everything works 
fine, but randomly ( right now) when you try to look at one of the other 
workgroup computers, there is nothing there. On my wheezy machine I 
clicked on the "Network" selection, and then clicked on the "Windows 
Network" link, and there is nothing there. So I went back to XP machine, 
and went and clicked "View Workgroup Computers", and a popup box comes 
up after about 10 seconds that says " The list of servers for this 
workgroup is currently unavailable". On both machines, I can access the 
internet just fine, I pinged the wheezy machine from my XP machine, and 
everything looks fine there, so what could possibly cause it not 
see/display the other PC's in the network managers of either machine?

   
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[Emc-users] Way OT: Cannot see Workgroup Computers

2016-03-28 Thread Rick Lair 
In know this is way off topic, but if anybody would possibly know, I'm 
sure they are floating around here somewhere,

We have a small network here at the shop, roughly a dozen PC's and 4 
CNC's ( my linuxcnc builds) that are all networked together, using a 
workgroup type setup, not a domain. Most of the time everything works 
fine, but randomly ( right now) when you try to look at one of the other 
workgroup computers, there is nothing there. On my wheezy machine I 
clicked on the "Network" selection, and then clicked on the "Windows 
Network" link, and there is nothing there. So I went back to XP machine, 
and went and clicked "View Workgroup Computers", and a popup box comes 
up after about 10 seconds that says " The list of servers for this 
workgroup is currently unavailable". On both machines, I can access the 
internet just fine, I pinged the wheezy machine from my XP machine, and 
everything looks fine there, so what could possibly cause it not 
see/display the other PC's in the network managers of either machine?


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