[Emc-users] Y-axis calibration problem

2010-08-20 Thread Shaffin Bhanji
  Hello to all the gurus,

I am facing a problem with my new built CNC platform. Before I describe 
my platform let me share a bit about my design. The platform is about 
40x40 square using the ABEC7 bearings from CNCRouterParts 
(http://www.cncrouterparts.com/product_info.php?cPath=21products_id=33) 
to run the X and Y axis. The bearings run on 1/4 thick steel. I have a 
single lead screw driving the Y-axis that is positioned in the middle.

I noticed that when I cut a 6x3 1/8 thick aluminum from sheet, the 
squares are are off by at least 1 degree that lends me to believe that 
my Y-axis deflects when cutting.

My question is, can this deflection be removed if I move to round linear 
ball bearings running 45 on a 20mm shaft? I am trying to hold back on 
running my Y-axis using 2 lead screws one at each end and using 2 
stepper motors. Any thoughts/opinions highly appreciated.

Sam.



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Re: [Emc-users] Y-axis calibration problem

2010-08-20 Thread Ian W. Wright
I have the X-axis of my gantry mill running on 600mm x 20mm round silver 
steel rods spaced about 3in apart using round linear ball bearings and, 
while it is acceptable for light routing, I get unacceptable deflection 
when drilling - I'm currently trying to think of ways to beef it up. 
I'm not too sure whether my problem is play in the bearings (they seem 
tight enough) or bending of the rods.

Ian

Shaffin Bhanji wrote:
   Hello to all the gurus,

 I am facing a problem with my new built CNC platform. Before I describe 
 my platform let me share a bit about my design. The platform is about 
 40x40 square using the ABEC7 bearings from CNCRouterParts 
 (http://www.cncrouterparts.com/product_info.php?cPath=21products_id=33) 
 to run the X and Y axis. The bearings run on 1/4 thick steel. I have a 
 single lead screw driving the Y-axis that is positioned in the middle.

 I noticed that when I cut a 6x3 1/8 thick aluminum from sheet, the 
 squares are are off by at least 1 degree that lends me to believe that 
 my Y-axis deflects when cutting.

 My question is, can this deflection be removed if I move to round linear 
 ball bearings running 45 on a 20mm shaft? I am trying to hold back on 
 running my Y-axis using 2 lead screws one at each end and using 2 
 stepper motors. Any thoughts/opinions highly appreciated.

 Sam.



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Re: [Emc-users] Y-axis calibration problem

2010-08-20 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2010/8/20 Ian W. Wright watchma...@talktalk.net:
 I'm not too sure whether my problem is play in the bearings (they seem
 tight enough) or bending of the rods.

I am sure that it is the bending of the rods. At least it was the
cause for the similar case that I know of.
Why don't You use more rigid structure - something like these profiles
+ supported slides?
http://www.worldofcnc.com/products.asp?recnumber=81

That way the construction would be much stronger, and I think that
existing structure of the router would require only minor adjustments.

Viesturs

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Re: [Emc-users] Y-axis calibration problem

2010-08-20 Thread yann jautard


Viesturs Lācis wrote:
 2010/8/20 Ian W. Wright watchma...@talktalk.net:
   
 I'm not too sure whether my problem is play in the bearings (they seem
 tight enough) or bending of the rods.
 

 I am sure that it is the bending of the rods. At least it was the
 cause for the similar case that I know of.
I strongly agree with that ! I came to the same conclusing when 
experimenting during the construction of my gluing machine.

If you need something rigid, I suggest you use supported rods like these 
(or bigger ones, of course) :
http://cgi.ebay.fr/linear-bearing-slide-unit-2-SBR16-770mm-4-SBR16UU-/250518266038?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0

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Re: [Emc-users] Y-axis calibration problem

2010-08-20 Thread Jon Elson
Shaffin Bhanji wrote:
 I noticed that when I cut a 6x3 1/8 thick aluminum from sheet, the 
 squares are are off by at least 1 degree that lends me to believe that 
 my Y-axis deflects when cutting.
   
Are you sure your axes are truly orthogonal?  The easiest way to check 
is to get a known-square
machinist's square and lay it flat on the table.  You align it with a 
dial test indicator until moving say the X axis shows no change in dial 
reading along the entire length of one arm of the square.  Then move so 
the indicator can check the other arm of the square.  You should again 
see no change in reading.  If there is a change, then you need to move 
the travers of one axis relative to the other and recheck.  Repeat until 
you get no deviation on either arm of the square.  This will mean having 
to adjust the mounting of the rails.

Of course, on such a large machine, you may have deflection.  Taking one 
last finish cut with very small depth of cut may reduce the deflection.
But, cutting a small piece out in the middle of your table, deflection 
would be much more likely to cause size error rather than cutting at an 
angle.

Jon

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