Re: [-empyre-] Creativity as a social ontology: Authorship

2010-07-31 Thread christopher sullivan
thanks Davin, and of course all of this changes in worst case and best case
scenarios. I am of course a fan of some great group projects and
extablishments, Shirin Nashat, is critical of this in her own work, as she saw
literal physical fights between poor woman trying to be extras in her film
installation projects, it made her really question what this was all about, who
was being served, what was participation.  

I do performance, and the question always comes up, what is the difference
between performance and theater, the answers is. 
great performance and great theater are very much the same thing. terrible
performance and terrible theater look very different.
 Chris.


Quoting davin heckman davinheck...@gmail.com:

 Chris,
 
 I really think this idea merits a closer examination: a guilt drive
 behind cultural inclusiveness.  I think that inclusiveness can be
 used to many ends, especially within the context of neoliberalism and
 its various expressions.  On the one hand, it provides a convenient
 cover for people who might feel anxiety about accusations about power,
 discourse, and authority.
 
 On the other hand, I think the fact that inclusiveness can be deployed
 to assuage one's guilt does not necessarily mean that it must be the
 case.  You note that love relationships and family bonds are a
 powerful force.  And I think inclusivity can stem from established
 love relationships, or at least an openness to forging new ones.
 
 To be selfishly inclusive is a strategic matter.  But it is possible
 that inclusivity could be an earnest gesture towards the potential of
 each person.  To a certain extent, there is a narcissism underlying
 speculations about the other, but I think there is something
 authentically hopeful when we participate in exchanges where we trust
 another to make a contribution, and we pledge ourselves to honor their
 contribution even if it wasn't the one we'd anticipated.
 
 This is love, right?  It is the difference between the zero-sum-game
 logic of capitalism (where every relationship is instrumentalized and
 each interaction is subject to cost-benefit analysis) and the
 excessive character of love (where interaction is driven by desires
 that overshadow the costs).  In this world, there is a powerful
 pressure to see everything through the lens of the zero-sum-game, such
 is the power of capitalism over consciousness that it proclaims the
 nonexistence of everything that cannot be mediated through a universal
 currency.  But this impossible idea of art seems most potent precisely
 where it resists the idea of the zero-sum-game.
 
 To get back to your point, I think that our relationships are where
 love is experienced.  But, the nature of our relationships change
 against a changing world.  While I would never say that new media,
 in general, is necessarily going to be a positive force.  I would say
 that there are many examples where networks designed for rather
 utilitarian purposes are being bent to serve human relationships.
 Does data visualization make it possible for us to love larger numbers
 of people?  Not necessarily, but it could.  It could convince us that
 people are like rats.  But if we are committed to love, we could
 personalize it, identify with it, and abstract our experience from
 it...  it could motivate shifts in policy.  We could say, let's use
 the tools to identify connect with those who suffer, identify the
 causes of suffering, cooperate across borders to tackle this
 suffering.  It could engender a concept of humanity that is less
 provincial, and more disposed to a solidarity that takes into account
 difference.
 
 I think much of new media art will go the way of all other art.  Nice
 for now, but someday forgotten.  But the stuff that sticks with us,
 will most likely be the pieces that say what few had the nerve,
 imagination, or critical vocabulary to state plainly.  In retrospect,
 however, I think the implications of these works will be obvious.  But
 for now, we are in the belly of the whale.
 
 Davin
 
 
 
 
 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 5:40 PM, christopher sullivan csu...@saic.edu
 wrote:
 
  Hi David, and all, yes very much the reception (as I mentioned ) is the
 point of
  actualization. I do not argue that, but my perfect reader can be real or
  imagined ( I very much Like Umberto Eco's essay on the concreteness of the
  written word, and the notion of the perfect reader, in his lecture ,On
 over
  interpretation.
       And I am not afraid of collaboration. I do think that there is a
 guilt
  drive behind cultural inclusiveness, and collaboration, that is some times
 in
  collaborative processes, so I am suspect. what I mean by this is that you
 can
  go into a neighborhood and ask everyone to give you stories about your
  grandmothers, and say you have worked with that community. but did they
 pick
  the topic? will they get any social recognition fro their input? or are
 they
  just workers for an outsiders ideas.
 
  in regards to 

[-empyre-] Creative writing programs and elit, and thanks

2010-07-31 Thread Scott Rettberg

Hello everyone,

On this last list day, I wanted to thank Simon and everyone for the  
opportunity to contribute to this discussion of creativity as a social  
ontology. I think the general approach to the cluster of issues is a  
very useful one, as we frame our approaches to contemporary creative  
practice and creative communities. I'm also grateful for the fact that  
this discussion has resulted in so many threads and angles of approach  
that we will be following further in the ELMCIP research project.


I'd also like to finish my thought on the place of digital writing in  
contemporary creative writing programs. About six months back, I read  
Mark McGurl's The Program Era: Postwar Fiction and Rise of Creative  
Writing. The book is wide-ranging study of American fiction since  
1945. McGurl claims that postwar American literature can profitably  
be described as the product of a system. McGurl's studies American  
fiction through the specific lens of the reality that the vast  
majority of contemporary literary American writers have some  
relationship to university writing programs, either as students,  
faculty or both, and that their relationship to that system and the  
roles they play within it has aesthetic effects on the writing that  
they produce. That is not to say that McGurl is arguing that those  
effects are necessarily negative. McGurl posits the writers within the  
university as inside outsiders and examines the somewhat  
carnivalesque role of the institutionalized creativity of creative  
writing programs with an increasingly corporatized and instrumentalist  
university. McGurl observes fairly complex relationships between  
writers who are both critiquing the sort of system the contemporary  
university represents, while living and producing within that system  
in a completely complicit way. He examines some common writing  
workshop dictums: Show, don't tell and Find your voice, for  
instance through the positioning of the writer as the excluded other  
within the system. McGurl's study I think quite fairly and usefully  
tracks the work of writers within their social and economic contexts  
within the American university. To assert that creative writers and  
their published output are products of a system is not to deny the  
writer's individuality or to systematically context the quality of  
their work. Indeed, McGurl seems to argue, the pursuit of excellence  
that purportedly frames the enterprise of the late American university  
in general has resulted in a bountiful harvest of diverse American  
literature during the era he examines.


Of course the graduate writing program also produces a number of  
casualties as well. Thousands of individuals are trained (insofar as a  
workshop constitutes training) as fiction writers and poets in  
graduate writing programs every year. Only a handful of them will  
become well known published authors, though many of them will publish.  
Some of them will become midlist authors, and teach in creative  
writing programs. Some will follow other paths and do other things  
(painting, wallpapering, technical writing). Many will spend many  
years as adjunct faculty in other creative writing programs or  
rhetoric and composition programs built around low-cost disposable  
teaching resources.


McGurl also maps some relationships between particular writers and  
schools of writing as belong to specific nodes of the workshop system.  
I nearly laughed when he identified technomodernism as one of the  
threads of creative writing workshop, indentifying the Brown  
University literary arts program, with its MFA fellows in digital  
writing as a prime example of this node. I laughed not because I would  
deny the connections between the school of American writers formerly  
known as postmodernists and the practices of contemporary digital  
writing, but because Brown is the only example I can think of in the  
MFA creative writing ecosystem where digital writing is taught and  
practice in a sustained systematic way. There are a number of courses  
in digital writing taught in university's of course, and a great deal  
more courses taught in literature programs and other types of hybrid  
progams, such the digital culture program I teach in at the University  
of Bergen, but creative writing has largely shrugged off digital  
writing. I think this is a great loss, to some extent for electronic  
literature, but to an even greater extent to the creative writing  
system itself.


I should explain that I spent a number of years in creative writing  
workshops myself. I think there are positive and negative apsects to  
learning and writing in these environments, but overall I value the  
approach a great deal. What I prized most about my experiences in  
undergraduate writing workshops at Coe College and graduate writing  
workshops at Illinois State University and the University of  
Cincinnati were not necessarily or primarily the 

[-empyre-] Creativity as a social ontology

2010-07-31 Thread Simon Biggs
So, we come to the end of the month of July and to the end of our discussion
on the theme of creativity as a social ontology. During August empyre will
take a break and return with a new theme in September. Of course, that
doesn't mean the list is turned off and I hope my inbox will continue to
receive interesting emails throughout the month.

To remind us again of where we began:
Creativity is often perceived as a product of individual, or group, creative
activity. However, it might also be considered an emergent phenomenon of
communities, driving change and facilitating individual and ensemble
creativity. Expanded concepts of agency allow us to question who, or what,
can be an active participant in creative social interactions, providing
diverse models for authorship. How might we understand creativity as
interaction, as sets of discursive relations? Creativity can be a
performative activity released when engaged through and by a community. In
this context the model of the solitary artist, who produces artefacts which
embody creativity, can be questioned as an ideal for achieving creative
outcomes. Creativity can be proposed as an activity of exchange that enables
(creates) people and communities. This suggests it is possible to conceive
of creativity as emergent from and innate to the interactions of people.
Such an understanding functions to combat instrumentalist views of
creativity that demand it have social (e.g.: economic) value. Creativity
need not be valued as satisfying a perceived need nor need it be
romantically situated as a supply-side blue skies ideal. An alternate
model can be proposed where creativity is considered an emergent property of
community; an ontology.

Over the past month our invited guests and members of empyre have addressed
these questions from a range of perspectives. I am not going to try to
summarise the various viewpoints here as to do so would, I fear, lead to a
very long email. The empyre archive is always accessible. I would, however,
like to reflect on the tensions identified in the discussion about
collaborative, distributed and collective modes of authorship.

The original theme was carefully proposed not to be exclusivist. The first
and second sentences of the introductory statement did not present an
either/or situation. To quote, it (creativity) might also be considered an
emergent phenomenon of communities. The adverb also is an important word
here as it permits creativity as something that can be a property,
condition, phenomena or activity that might be associated with individuals,
groups or as emergent from general human interaction. Clearly our discussion
has focused on the latter of these three possibilities but not to the
exclusion of other conceptions.

I fear at times that some of the protagonists in our debate have understood
this argument as equivalent to the democratisation of creativity and the
culture wars around high and low culture. However, that is a different
argument concerning what can be considered creative outcomes of subsequent
social value permitting them to be accepted as canonical. It is an argument
about who can participate in cultural production and in what manner.

At other points in the discussion there have been spirited arguments why
creativity is (in some instances, apparently, must be) the outcome of
individually internalised processes and activities. As an artist I have huge
sympathy for this position. Most artists live their lives in fear that many
people will not only not get their work but will actually be hostile to it
and to the entire field in which they work. In such a context it is natural
to go on the defensive and seek internalised value in what you do. At the
very least you will always have one member of your fan club - yourself. If
you are lucky you will carve out a niche for yourself in a small club of
like minded practitioners. Scott's last post reflected on such aspects of
the artist's condition, considering the career options open (or closed) to
them and the price that will be paid to to concentrate on what you really
want to do. It was sobering.

However, neither the high/low culture debate or a fear of philistines are
likely to facilitate the development of the theme originally proposed for
this months discussion. To focus on either of these approaches, whilst
generally valid, is to misconceive how creativity was being posited in the
original outline of the theme. Nowhere in the statement was the word art
employed. The word artist was used once, to distinguish between what they
do as practice and the outcomes of that practice and where value is
subsequently inscribed. It was used to differentiate what the word
creativity meant in this context.

The word creativity was then employed to indicate social interaction as a
form of distributed agency (involving numerous agents, not all of them
human). The outcome of this creative process was posited as people, which
is to say not just people as individuated social