Re: Keeping external resources updated
Le mardi 25 août 2015 à 14:26 +0200, Andre Klapper a écrit : > Basically yes. > > For extended information, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:COI Huh, that's interesting. I thought that sure, you shouldn't edit an article about yourself or something extremely close to you, but that we were in a grey area regarding CoI. I would have worked on this myself a while ago already, the thing is that beyond the possible bias & CoI, it's just a lot of focused work (so the problem for me is mainly time). But hey, if we can have external folks edit those pages that's great, it needn't be *specifically* the Wikimedia people, but getting wholly external folks to "fix" those pages without actively asking them (thus potentially biasing them) or creating a non-representative sample of contributors (ex: asking p.g.o. readers to contribute) is tricky. Arguably, on the (sub)issue of bias, anybody can be biased, including external contributors, especially if they have an interest in making us look bad (ie: the GNOME3 hatin' crowd). ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: Keeping external resources updated
On Mon, 2015-08-24 at 19:09 +0100, Ekaterina Gerasimova wrote: it's not a problem for updates to be made as long as they are factually correct (for example, next GUADEC location, current board list and so on). The issue only arises if adding new information or removing existing parts of the text as that can be interpreted as trying to make the article read in a certain light. Basically yes. For extended information, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:COI andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: Keeping external resources updated
On 24 August 2015 at 18:48, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 2:45 AM Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote: On Thu, 2015-08-20 at 17:18 +0200, Ekaterina Gerasimova wrote: Hi all, there are a number of external resources about GNOME which are used by people for information. I am specifically thinking about the pages on Wikipedia here, but I'm sure that there is other stuff as well. It would look more professional if GNOME's public-facing resources are at least correct. Is the engagement team willing to maintain at least the most prominent of these resources? Would it help to have a list of them with frequencies on how often they should be checked? For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation - had an old list of board members (fixed now) and doesn't have up-to-date information about the Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_GNOME_Project - is out of date (apparently next GUADEC is in A Coruña) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Users_And_Developers_European_Con ference is… well, dull and outdated Remember that it's best for people external to the core GNOME project to update those (to avoid astro-turfing accusations), and make sure to include external references when making updates (not only links to gnome.org websites). Yes, that's what I remember.. that we ourselves can't update it, but external contributors. That's why I was suggesting Sumana or someone else so we don't get accused of putting our own agenda in the Wikipedia entry. Going by that logic, if we ask anyone to update it, they're in the same situation that we are in. Having said that, afaik, it's not a problem for updates to be made as long as they are factually correct (for example, next GUADEC location, current board list and so on). The issue only arises if adding new information or removing existing parts of the text as that can be interpreted as trying to make the article read in a certain light. sri Cheers ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: Keeping external resources updated
On Thu, 2015-08-20 at 17:18 +0200, Ekaterina Gerasimova wrote: Hi all, there are a number of external resources about GNOME which are used by people for information. I am specifically thinking about the pages on Wikipedia here, but I'm sure that there is other stuff as well. It would look more professional if GNOME's public-facing resources are at least correct. Is the engagement team willing to maintain at least the most prominent of these resources? Would it help to have a list of them with frequencies on how often they should be checked? For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation - had an old list of board members (fixed now) and doesn't have up-to-date information about the Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_GNOME_Project - is out of date (apparently next GUADEC is in A Coruña) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Users_And_Developers_European_Con ference is… well, dull and outdated Remember that it's best for people external to the core GNOME project to update those (to avoid astro-turfing accusations), and make sure to include external references when making updates (not only links to gnome.org websites). Cheers ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: Keeping external resources updated
Thanks for bringing this up Kat. I was suggested by Sri that Sumana was possibly going to be our contact for helping us out managing our external resources at Wikipedia. Unfortunately I tried to reach her out about this back in April with no responses so far. The various wiki pages you mentioned are definitely out of date (they don't even mention the Groupon trademark dispute at all) and so is the italian page at [1]. Is there anything we can do on this side? do we have any other contact at Wikipedia other than Sumana? [1] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation 2015-08-20 17:18 GMT+02:00 Ekaterina Gerasimova kittykat3...@gmail.com: Hi all, there are a number of external resources about GNOME which are used by people for information. I am specifically thinking about the pages on Wikipedia here, but I'm sure that there is other stuff as well. It would look more professional if GNOME's public-facing resources are at least correct. Is the engagement team willing to maintain at least the most prominent of these resources? Would it help to have a list of them with frequencies on how often they should be checked? For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation - had an old list of board members (fixed now) and doesn't have up-to-date information about the Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_GNOME_Project - is out of date (apparently next GUADEC is in A Coruña) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Users_And_Developers_European_Conference is… well, dull and outdated ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list -- Cheers, Andrea Debian Developer, Fedora / EPEL packager, GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, GNOME Foundation Membership Elections Committee Chairman Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/~av ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Re: Keeping external resources updated
On 2015-08-23 10:44, Andrea Veri wrote: Thanks for bringing this up Kat. I was suggested by Sri that Sumana was possibly going to be our contact for helping us out managing our external resources at Wikipedia. Unfortunately I tried to reach her out about this back in April with no responses so far. The various wiki pages you mentioned are definitely out of date (they don't even mention the Groupon trademark dispute at all) and so is the italian page at [1]. Is there anything we can do on this side? do we have any other contact at Wikipedia other than Sumana? Sumana is no longer at Wikimedia, but Quim Gil is probably a good contact. I don't think we necessarily need someone at WMF for this though... karen [1] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation 2015-08-20 17:18 GMT+02:00 Ekaterina Gerasimova kittykat3...@gmail.com: Hi all, there are a number of external resources about GNOME which are used by people for information. I am specifically thinking about the pages on Wikipedia here, but I'm sure that there is other stuff as well. It would look more professional if GNOME's public-facing resources are at least correct. Is the engagement team willing to maintain at least the most prominent of these resources? Would it help to have a list of them with frequencies on how often they should be checked? For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation - had an old list of board members (fixed now) and doesn't have up-to-date information about the Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_GNOME_Project - is out of date (apparently next GUADEC is in A Coruña) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Users_And_Developers_European_Conference is… well, dull and outdated ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list -- Cheers, Andrea Debian Developer, Fedora / EPEL packager, GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, GNOME Foundation Membership Elections Committee Chairman Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/~av ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
Keeping external resources updated
Hi all, there are a number of external resources about GNOME which are used by people for information. I am specifically thinking about the pages on Wikipedia here, but I'm sure that there is other stuff as well. It would look more professional if GNOME's public-facing resources are at least correct. Is the engagement team willing to maintain at least the most prominent of these resources? Would it help to have a list of them with frequencies on how often they should be checked? For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation - had an old list of board members (fixed now) and doesn't have up-to-date information about the Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_GNOME_Project - is out of date (apparently next GUADEC is in A Coruña) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Users_And_Developers_European_Conference is… well, dull and outdated ___ engagement-list mailing list engagement-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/engagement-list
