Re: Moving Engagement List to Discourse

[Neil McGovern]

On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 12:00 -0500, Christopher Davis via engagement-
list wrote:
> After investingating Discourse esterday, I do have some objections
> that I think should be considered. Though the software itself is
> free,
> the mobile app is proprietrary 

It's licensed under MIT: 
https://github.com/discourse/DiscourseMobile/blob/master/LICENSE.txt

> and the Android version has a hard dependency
> on the proprietary Google Chrome app. I don't think we should force
> developers to
> use proprietary applications for out official communication channels.

I've tested and used Firefox on Android to access the mobile site.
Native notifications work fine, and you can add this to your home
screen. It works perfectly well and is probably the preferred method
for use on mobile.

> Mailing lists do not have this problem because there are many free
> software
> e-mail clients.

Luckily, email interaction with Discourse continues to work fine,
should you wish to use it that way:
https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46/3

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Re: Moving Engagement List to Discourse

[Britt Yazel]

I just open the page in the browser and on mobile it works completely fine.
There's no need for an app if that's an issue

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Christopher Davis via engagement-list <
engagement-list@gnome.org> wrote:

> After investingating Discourse esterday, I do have some objections
> that I think should be considered. Though the software itself is free,
> the mobile app is proprietrary and the Android version has a hard
> dependency
> on the proprietary Google Chrome app. I don't think we should force
> developers to
> use proprietary applications for out official communication channels.
>
> Mailing lists do not have this problem because there are many free software
> e-mail clients.
>
> Regards,
> Christopher Davis
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 8:57 AM, s...@ramkrishna.me wrote:
>
> I brought this up in Telegram but didn't receive any objections. The GTK
> team are moving to discourse and I asked Neil if he could move us as well.
> Mailman is a sad anachronistic technology to be sent to the garbage bin. As
> well, maintenance is a pain because of all the spam. Moving to discourse
> has proven to improve discussions by those who have moved from it. If you
> have objections, please speak up. You can still interact by mail like you
> could previously so you won't see too much change. But I hope we will have
> good experience by being to have more and better conversations. If you have
> no objection, say nothing and I'll work on moving us out as soon as GTK
> gets finished. I'll move the rest of the engagement like lists that I
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Re: Moving Engagement List to Discourse

[Christopher Davis via engagement-list]

After investingating Discourse esterday, I do have some objections
that I think should be considered. Though the software itself is free,
the mobile app is proprietrary and the Android version has a hard 
dependency
on the proprietary Google Chrome app. I don't think we should force 
developers to

use proprietary applications for out official communication channels.

Mailing lists do not have this problem because there are many free 
software

e-mail clients.

Regards,
Christopher Davis

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 8:57 AM, s...@ramkrishna.me wrote:

I brought this up in Telegram but didn't receive any objections.

The GTK team are moving to discourse and I asked Neil if he could move
us as well.  Mailman is a sad anachronistic technology to be sent to
the garbage bin.  As well, maintenance is a pain because of all the
spam.  Moving to discourse has proven to improve discussions by those
who have moved from it.

If you have objections, please speak up.  You can still interact by
mail like you could previously so you won't see too much change.  But 
I

hope we will have good experience by being to have more and better
conversations.

If you have no objection, say nothing and I'll work on moving us out 
as

soon as GTK gets finished.  I'll move the rest of the engagement like
lists that I manage as well.

Cheers,
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Re: Moving Engagement List to Discourse

[Neil McGovern]

I think we're trying not to diverge from upstream, otherwise we'll need
to maintain a branch. I've submitted a PR though to upstream for a
config there.

Neil

On Sat, 2019-03-02 at 08:22 +0100, Bastian Ilso wrote:
> Whoops! You're right.
> 
> Maybe something worth clarifying in the login window?
> 
> Thanks for the help!
> 
> -Bastian
> 
> On fre, Mar 1, 2019 at 5:54 PM, Neil McGovern  wrote:
> > Your username is bastianilso, not the full email address. Make sure
> > you
> > click on the ldap button :) It's the same username and password (I
> > think) that you use to log in to account.gnome.org
> > 
> > Neil
> > 
> > On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 17:49 +0100, Bastian Ilso wrote:
> > >  Great to see!
> > >  
> > >  I am having some trouble logging in with LDAP. It says
> > >  
> > >  "Sorry, there was an error authorizing your account. Perhaps you
> > > did
> > >  not approve authorization?"
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  I am trying to log in using the "bastiani...@gnome.org" account.
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  -Bastian
> > >  
> > >  On fre, Mar 1, 2019 at 5:29 PM, Neil McGovern 
> > > wrote:
> > >  > On Thu, 2019-02-07 at 08:57 -0500, s...@ramkrishna.me wrote:
> > >  > >  I brought this up in Telegram but didn't receive any
> > > objections.
> > >  > >  
> > >  > 
> > >  > Hi all,
> > >  > 
> > >  > News on the Discourse front - this is now live! Have a visit
> > > at 
> > >  > https://discourse.gnome.org
> > >  > 
> > >  > You can log in via LDAP, or sign up with email/google/github.
> > >  > 
> > >  > I've created an Engagement category, so everything can go in
> > > there:
> > >  > https://discourse.gnome.org/c/community/engagement
> > >  > 
> > >  > In case you really don't want to use a web interface (although
> > > I
> > >  > would
> > >  > strongly recommend it, it's really rather nice), you can also
> > >  > interact
> > >  > via email, some instructions are available at:
> > >  > 
> > > https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46
> > >  > 
> > >  > Additionally, if you're a Foundation member, let me know by
> > > sending
> > >  > me
> > >  > (nmcgovern) a message on Discourse, and I'll add you to the
> > > group
> > >  > which
> > >  > gives you a little flair and a 'GNOME Team' title by your
> > > posts.
> > >  > 
> > >  > Finally, when logging in, you'll get a message from discobot.
> > > This
> > >  > friendly bot will guide you through the basic functionality.
> > > You
> > >  > can
> > >  > skip it if you want, but you'll miss out on getting a badge (
> > >  > https://discourse.gnome.org/badges)
> > >  > 
> > >  > Any questions, let me know.
> > >  > 
> > >  > Thanks,
> > >  > Neil
> > >  > -- 
> > >  > Neil McGovern
> > >  > Executive Director, The GNOME Foundation
> > >  > 
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> > 
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Re: Moving Engagement List to Discourse

[Oliver Propst via engagement-list]

Thanks Neil for setting up this (Discourse) instance up, see it as it could
be beneficial and helpful for the team.

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 8:22 AM Bastian Ilso via engagement-list <
engagement-list@gnome.org> wrote:

> Whoops! You're right.
>
> Maybe something worth clarifying in the login window?
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> -Bastian
>
> On fre, Mar 1, 2019 at 5:54 PM, Neil McGovern  wrote:
>
> Your username is bastianilso, not the full email address. Make sure you
> click on the ldap button :) It's the same username and password (I think)
> that you use to log in to account.gnome.org Neil On Fri, 2019-03-01 at
> 17:49 +0100, Bastian Ilso wrote:
>
> Great to see! I am having some trouble logging in with LDAP. It says
> "Sorry, there was an error authorizing your account. Perhaps you did not
> approve authorization?" I am trying to log in using the "
> bastiani...@gnome.org" account. -Bastian On fre, Mar 1, 2019 at 5:29 PM,
> Neil McGovern  wrote: > On Thu, 2019-02-07 at 08:57
> -0500, s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: > > I brought this up in Telegram but
> didn't receive any objections. > > > > Hi all, > > News on the Discourse
> front - this is now live! Have a visit at > https://discourse.gnome.org >
> > You can log in via LDAP, or sign up with email/google/github. > > I've
> created an Engagement category, so everything can go in there: >
> https://discourse.gnome.org/c/community/engagement > > In case you really
> don't want to use a web interface (although I > would > strongly recommend
> it, it's really rather nice), you can also > interact > via email, some
> instructions are available at: >
> https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46 > >
> Additionally, if you're a Foundation member, let me know by sending > me >
> (nmcgovern) a message on Discourse, and I'll add you to the group > which >
> gives you a little flair and a 'GNOME Team' title by your posts. > >
> Finally, when logging in, you'll get a message from discobot. This >
> friendly bot will guide you through the basic functionality. You > can >
> skip it if you want, but you'll miss out on getting a badge ( >
> https://discourse.gnome.org/badges) > > Any questions, let me know. > >
> Thanks, > Neil > -- > Neil McGovern > Executive Director, The GNOME
> Foundation > > ___ >
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Re: Moving Engagement List to Discourse

[Bastian Ilso via engagement-list]

Whoops! You're right.

Maybe something worth clarifying in the login window?

Thanks for the help!

-Bastian

On fre, Mar 1, 2019 at 5:54 PM, Neil McGovern  wrote:
Your username is bastianilso, not the full email address. Make sure 
you

click on the ldap button :) It's the same username and password (I
think) that you use to log in to account.gnome.org

Neil

On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 17:49 +0100, Bastian Ilso wrote:

 Great to see!

 I am having some trouble logging in with LDAP. It says

 "Sorry, there was an error authorizing your account. Perhaps you did
 not approve authorization?"


 I am trying to log in using the "bastiani...@gnome.org 
" account.



 -Bastian

 On fre, Mar 1, 2019 at 5:29 PM, Neil McGovern > wrote:
 > On Thu, 2019-02-07 at 08:57 -0500, s...@ramkrishna.me 
 wrote:
 > >  I brought this up in Telegram but didn't receive any 
objections.

 > >
 >
 > Hi all,
 >
 > News on the Discourse front - this is now live! Have a visit at
 > https://discourse.gnome.org 
 >
 > You can log in via LDAP, or sign up with email/google/github.
 >
 > I've created an Engagement category, so everything can go in 
there:

 > 
 >
 > In case you really don't want to use a web interface (although I
 > would
 > strongly recommend it, it's really rather nice), you can also
 > interact
 > via email, some instructions are available at:
 > 


 >
 > Additionally, if you're a Foundation member, let me know by 
sending

 > me
 > (nmcgovern) a message on Discourse, and I'll add you to the group
 > which
 > gives you a little flair and a 'GNOME Team' title by your posts.
 >
 > Finally, when logging in, you'll get a message from discobot. This
 > friendly bot will guide you through the basic functionality. You
 > can
 > skip it if you want, but you'll miss out on getting a badge (
 > )
 >
 > Any questions, let me know.
 >
 > Thanks,
 > Neil
 > --
 > Neil McGovern
 > Executive Director, The GNOME Foundation
 >
 > ___
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 > engagement-list@gnome.org 
 > 

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Re: Moving Engagement List to Discourse

[Felipe Borges]

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 5:50 PM Bastian Ilso via engagement-list
 wrote:
>
> Great to see!
>
> I am having some trouble logging in with LDAP. It says
>
> "Sorry, there was an error authorizing your account. Perhaps you did not 
> approve authorization?"
>
>
> I am trying to log in using the "bastiani...@gnome.org" account.

I run into the same issue. It works with the username only (drop the
@gnome.org).

>
>
> -Bastian
>
> On fre, Mar 1, 2019 at 5:29 PM, Neil McGovern  wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2019-02-07 at 08:57 -0500, s...@ramkrishna.me wrote:
>
> I brought this up in Telegram but didn't receive any objections.
>
> Hi all, News on the Discourse front - this is now live! Have a visit at 
> https://discourse.gnome.org You can log in via LDAP, or sign up with 
> email/google/github. I've created an Engagement category, so everything can 
> go in there: https://discourse.gnome.org/c/community/engagement In case you 
> really don't want to use a web interface (although I would strongly recommend 
> it, it's really rather nice), you can also interact via email, some 
> instructions are available at: 
> https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46 
> Additionally, if you're a Foundation member, let me know by sending me 
> (nmcgovern) a message on Discourse, and I'll add you to the group which gives 
> you a little flair and a 'GNOME Team' title by your posts. Finally, when 
> logging in, you'll get a message from discobot. This friendly bot will guide 
> you through the basic functionality. You can skip it if you want, but you'll 
> miss out on getting a badge ( https://discourse.gnome.org/badges) Any qu
 estions, let me know. Thanks, Neil
> --
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Re: Moving Engagement List to Discourse

[Bastian Ilso via engagement-list]

Great to see!

I am having some trouble logging in with LDAP. It says

"Sorry, there was an error authorizing your account. Perhaps you did 
not approve authorization?"



I am trying to log in using the "bastiani...@gnome.org" account.


-Bastian

On fre, Mar 1, 2019 at 5:29 PM, Neil McGovern  wrote:
On Thu, 2019-02-07 at 08:57 -0500, s...@ramkrishna.me 
 wrote:

 I brought this up in Telegram but didn't receive any objections.



Hi all,

News on the Discourse front - this is now live! Have a visit at
https://discourse.gnome.org 

You can log in via LDAP, or sign up with email/google/github.

I've created an Engagement category, so everything can go in there:


In case you really don't want to use a web interface (although I would
strongly recommend it, it's really rather nice), you can also interact
via email, some instructions are available at:


Additionally, if you're a Foundation member, let me know by sending me
(nmcgovern) a message on Discourse, and I'll add you to the group 
which

gives you a little flair and a 'GNOME Team' title by your posts.

Finally, when logging in, you'll get a message from discobot. This
friendly bot will guide you through the basic functionality. You can
skip it if you want, but you'll miss out on getting a badge (
)

Any questions, let me know.

Thanks,
Neil
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Re: Moving Engagement List to Discourse

[Neil McGovern]

On Thu, 2019-02-07 at 08:57 -0500, s...@ramkrishna.me wrote:
> I brought this up in Telegram but didn't receive any objections.
> 

Hi all,

News on the Discourse front - this is now live! Have a visit at 
https://discourse.gnome.org

You can log in via LDAP, or sign up with email/google/github.

I've created an Engagement category, so everything can go in there:
https://discourse.gnome.org/c/community/engagement

In case you really don't want to use a web interface (although I would
strongly recommend it, it's really rather nice), you can also interact
via email, some instructions are available at:
https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46

Additionally, if you're a Foundation member, let me know by sending me
(nmcgovern) a message on Discourse, and I'll add you to the group which
gives you a little flair and a 'GNOME Team' title by your posts.

Finally, when logging in, you'll get a message from discobot. This
friendly bot will guide you through the basic functionality. You can
skip it if you want, but you'll miss out on getting a badge (
https://discourse.gnome.org/badges)

Any questions, let me know.

Thanks,
Neil
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Re: Moving Engagement List to Discourse

[Bastian Ilso via engagement-list]

I am all in for using discourse and I am really looking forward to it! I
really like the interface.

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 9:15 PM Neil McGovern  wrote:

> On Wed, 2019-02-13 at 10:56 -0800, Britt Yazel wrote:
> > I agree, doing a mass invite would be better imo.
>
> Great, that's already available:
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/sending-bulk-user-invites/16468
>
> > And it would be great to incorporate GNOME SSO with the different
> > Discourse boards (is that the correct term?). It will be one less
> > password to have to remember :-)
>
> Ok, I'll add that to the list of things we need for migration.
>
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Re: Moving Engagement List to Discourse

[Neil McGovern]

On Wed, 2019-02-13 at 10:56 -0800, Britt Yazel wrote:
> I agree, doing a mass invite would be better imo.

Great, that's already available:
https://meta.discourse.org/t/sending-bulk-user-invites/16468

> And it would be great to incorporate GNOME SSO with the different
> Discourse boards (is that the correct term?). It will be one less
> password to have to remember :-)

Ok, I'll add that to the list of things we need for migration.

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Re: Moving Engagement List to Discourse

[Britt Yazel]

I agree, doing a mass invite would be better imo.

And it would be great to incorporate GNOME SSO with the different Discourse
boards (is that the correct term?). It will be one less password to have to
remember :-)

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:28 AM Neil McGovern  wrote:

> On Thu, 2019-02-07 at 18:53 +0100, Alexandre Franke wrote:
> > Awesome. Will subscriptions be moved automatically? Can we use our
> > GNOME account to log in to the Discourse instance?
> >
>
> I can possibly work out how to migrate the subscriptions, though it may
> be more polite to do a bulk invite rather than subscribe... thoughts?
>
> The SSO module that comes with Discourse actually replaces the
> functionality to use Discourse's login system, and thus the ability to
> sign up with any other method. Fortunately, a plugin can be written to
> support GNOME's SSO, and by the looks of things it's fairly trivial[0].
>
> Neil
> [0]
> https://github.com/discourse/discourse-vk-auth/blob/master/plugin.rb
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Re: Moving Engagement List to Discourse

[Neil McGovern]

On Thu, 2019-02-07 at 18:53 +0100, Alexandre Franke wrote:
> Awesome. Will subscriptions be moved automatically? Can we use our
> GNOME account to log in to the Discourse instance?
> 

I can possibly work out how to migrate the subscriptions, though it may
be more polite to do a bulk invite rather than subscribe... thoughts?

The SSO module that comes with Discourse actually replaces the
functionality to use Discourse's login system, and thus the ability to
sign up with any other method. Fortunately, a plugin can be written to
support GNOME's SSO, and by the looks of things it's fairly trivial[0].

Neil
[0] 
https://github.com/discourse/discourse-vk-auth/blob/master/plugin.rb
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Re: Moving Engagement List to Discourse

[Claudio Santoro]

I’m excited to see the changes in the Management List :D

> On 8 Feb 2019, at 19:25, s...@ramkrishna.me wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 2019-02-08 at 13:09 +, Ekaterina Gerasimova wrote:
>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 13:57,  wrote:
>>> I brought this up in Telegram but didn't receive any objections.
>>> 
>>> The GTK team are moving to discourse and I asked Neil if he could
>>> move
>>> us as well.  Mailman is a sad anachronistic technology to be sent
>>> to
>>> the garbage bin.  As well, maintenance is a pain because of all the
>>> spam.  Moving to discourse has proven to improve discussions by
>>> those
>>> who have moved from it.
>>> 
>>> If you have objections, please speak up.  You can still interact by
>>> mail like you could previously so you won't see too much
>>> change.  But I
>>> hope we will have good experience by being to have more and better
>>> conversations.
>> 
>> I'm assume we're hosting our own instance?
> 
> Yes it will be our own instance. The motivation of the move is that the
> GTK mailing lists are being migrated to discourse so I took the liberty
> to adding our team to it as well.
> 
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Re: Moving Engagement List to Discourse

[Tobias Mueller]

Hola,

On Fri, 2019-02-08 at 15:28 +0100, Alexandre Franke wrote:
> My very own totally unscientific opinion is that hyperkitty is meh
> while Discourse is actually quite awesome (and I’ve always said I
> hated webforums prior to using Discourse). 
:D Okay.  I assume you are referring to the Web interface.
How do you like Discourse's Email interface?

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Re: Moving Engagement List to Discourse

[Alexandre Franke]

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 4:39 PM Tobias Mueller  wrote:
> Hi,

Hey,

> On Thu, 2019-02-07 at 08:57 -0500, s...@ramkrishna.me wrote:
> I don't object, but I'd like to note that Mailman 3 meant to bring a Web
> interface if that's what you're after.

My very own totally unscientific opinion is that hyperkitty is meh
while Discourse is actually quite awesome (and I’ve always said I
hated webforums prior to using Discourse). I had a look at the
discussion over at the gtk-devel mailing list and I found some more
scientific evidence in
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2019-February/msg00022.html

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Re: Moving Engagement List to Discourse

[Ekaterina Gerasimova via engagement-list]

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 13:57,  wrote:
>
> I brought this up in Telegram but didn't receive any objections.
>
> The GTK team are moving to discourse and I asked Neil if he could move
> us as well.  Mailman is a sad anachronistic technology to be sent to
> the garbage bin.  As well, maintenance is a pain because of all the
> spam.  Moving to discourse has proven to improve discussions by those
> who have moved from it.
>
> If you have objections, please speak up.  You can still interact by
> mail like you could previously so you won't see too much change.  But I
> hope we will have good experience by being to have more and better
> conversations.

I'm assume we're hosting our own instance?

> If you have no objection, say nothing and I'll work on moving us out as
> soon as GTK gets finished.  I'll move the rest of the engagement like
> lists that I manage as well.
>
> Cheers,
> sri
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Re: Moving Engagement List to Discourse

[Alexandre Franke]

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 2:57 PM  wrote:
> If you have no objection, say nothing and I'll work on moving us out as
> soon as GTK gets finished.  I'll move the rest of the engagement like
> lists that I manage as well.

Awesome. Will subscriptions be moved automatically? Can we use our
GNOME account to log in to the Discourse instance?

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Re: Moving Engagement List to Discourse

[Tobias Mueller]

Hi,

On Thu, 2019-02-07 at 08:57 -0500, s...@ramkrishna.me wrote:
> If you have objections, please speak up.  You can still interact by
> mail like you could previously so you won't see too much change.  But 

I don't object, but I'd like to note that Mailman 3 meant to bring a Web
interface if that's what you're after.

Cheers,
  Tobi

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Re: Moving Engagement List to Discourse

[Allan Day]

 wrote:
...
> I brought this up in Telegram but didn't receive any objections.
>
> The GTK team are moving to discourse and I asked Neil if he could move
> us as well.
...
> If you have no objection, say nothing and I'll work on moving us out as
> soon as GTK gets finished.  I'll move the rest of the engagement like
> lists that I manage as well.

Exciting! I've only tried Discourse fleetingly, and am interested to
see how it will work out for us.

Allan
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Moving Engagement List to Discourse

[sri]

I brought this up in Telegram but didn't receive any objections.

The GTK team are moving to discourse and I asked Neil if he could move
us as well.  Mailman is a sad anachronistic technology to be sent to
the garbage bin.  As well, maintenance is a pain because of all the
spam.  Moving to discourse has proven to improve discussions by those
who have moved from it.

If you have objections, please speak up.  You can still interact by
mail like you could previously so you won't see too much change.  But I
hope we will have good experience by being to have more and better
conversations.

If you have no objection, say nothing and I'll work on moving us out as
soon as GTK gets finished.  I'll move the rest of the engagement like
lists that I manage as well.

Cheers,
sri


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