Re: Ubuntu desktop to GNOME meeting

2017-04-19 Thread Oliver Propst 
On 4/19/17, Sriram Ramkrishna  wrote:
> It might be good to invite Michael Hall and his team to join this list
> though and I did appreciate having the minutes posted.  Even if they are
> technical issues they are also human issues as well.

+1 :)

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Re: Ubuntu desktop to GNOME meeting

2017-04-19 Thread Olav Vitters 
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:24:21AM +0200, Alexandre Franke wrote:
> > Items discussed (rough minutes!): […]
> 
> These all look like technical issues/questions and I don’t think the
> engagement team is the right place to discuss them. desktop-devel-list
> seems more appropriate, do you mind reposting that there?

I purposely did not. It should be up to Ubuntu desktop team to email
d-d-l and they already mentioned they'd contact maintainers.

For engagement:
1) They're planning to reach out to their community to discuss what
they'd like to see; this is quite nice
2) they'll be switching as of 17.10 already

To be clear: I shared my minutes/notes, not theirs. Still waiting
access.

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Re: Ubuntu desktop to GNOME meeting

2017-04-19 Thread Alexandre Franke 
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Olav Vitters  wrote:
> Hi,

Hey,

> There was a public IRC meeting where Ubuntu desktop team discussed the
> switch to GNOME. It'll be followed by many more meetings.

Thanks for attending and sharing that with us!

> Items discussed (rough minutes!): […]

These all look like technical issues/questions and I don’t think the
engagement team is the right place to discuss them. desktop-devel-list
seems more appropriate, do you mind reposting that there?

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Ubuntu desktop to GNOME meeting

2017-04-19 Thread Olav Vitters 
Hi,

There was a public IRC meeting where Ubuntu desktop team discussed the
switch to GNOME. It'll be followed by many more meetings.

IRC log: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/04/18/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t15:30
Etherpad: http://pad.ubuntu.com/n08SOl5xiA (requires Ubuntu one account
with access to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad .. I don't have
access yet)

Items discussed (rough minutes!):
- GNOME default as per 17.10 (work starts NOW/asap); likely with Wayland
- start with as little patches as possible, though do that by discussing
patch by patch what to drop
- use feedback to determine if/what extensions to include (dashtodock etc).
They'll check if they can commit for the maintenance of whatever they
depend on before depending on it.
- need decision lightdm vs gdm (might impact their guest session support +
they don't like the lingering gdm session)
- email client discussion: doubts about Evolution maintenance (amount of
people)
- GTK4.x for Nautilus 3.26 they rather not have
- doubts about GTK3.x and GTK4.x in same process
- maybe some kind of guide for people switching (they'll also consult their
OEMs)
- OEM workflows need checking
- themes (their Unity one + various others) likely cannot be used as-is;
e.g. black borders, lack of shadows around windows, etc. Also wondering if
it'll become a burden in case gtk+4.x
- Flatpak and themes issue (currently Flatpak does not reuse system theme;
they're not committing to Flatpak btw I think)

Shared by aruiz to the team:
- plan for Pinos / screensharing for 3.26 though might be 3.28
- fractional scaling for 3.26 under Wayland

They're still going to have various more meetings. Also they'll reach out
to various maintainers.

Regards,
Olav
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