Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...

2009-05-13 Thread Arlo White
Garbage probably wasn't the best word because of the negative connotation.
What I mean is a lot of threads on the mailing list rapidly lose value.  A
thread about a bug that is later fixed is no longer interesting to most
people.  This thread will have little value once a decision is made.  I
didn't mean that these discussions have no value, just that they aren't
useful as a history of major events.  It's too much work for someone
interested in enlightenment to dig through the mailing list archives in
order to learn what's currently going on.  This is a task the wiki or a blog
should solve.

-Arlo


On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Toma  wrote:

> 2009/5/14 Graham Gower :
> > 2009/5/14 Arlo White :
> >> Yes there are
> >> mailing lists, but the lists have a lot of garbage you need to dig
> through
> >> to get at the interesting bits.
> >
> > Garbage like this entire thread? Isn't this a development mailing list?
> >
> > -Graham
>
> Promotion is part of development.
> -Toma.
>
>
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Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...

2009-05-13 Thread Arlo White
Regardless of the method, I think there should be two enlightenment 
information streams: one for users and one for developers.  Yes there 
are mailing lists, but the lists have a lot of garbage you need to dig 
through to get at the interesting bits.  The value of a blog or twitter 
is that it's a distilled information form that keeps you up-to-date with 
the major trends.  For example:


Users would be interested in: Significant application & theme updates, 
new *useable* applications & themes, major news from the developers
Developers are interested in: Development shifts, Programming articles, 
Experimental projects, Research articles, etc.


Most developers will be following the user stream, so there's no reason 
to duplicate the information in their stream.


Each item is essentially going to be an article.  These articles need to 
reside somewhere, either a blog, the wiki, or a custom news app.  The 
enlightenment site has a news feed, but it's fairly simplistic.  It 
would be nice to have something that can separate the streams 
(announcements, users, developers) and tag articles.  The wiki could 
potentially be used, but wiki's are not particularly good at storing 
transient articles nor tagging them.  These articles are useful for a 
year maybe, but in time they become obsolete.  A blog system really 
makes the most sense to me.


Once you have a blog application, I don't see the need for Twitter.  
Essentially, each tweet is like the RSS summary to an article that 
you're going to link to in the tweet.  Just following the RSS feed of 
the blog has the same effect.  The only benefit I see to twitter is in 
knowing how many followers you have.  But you could just use web 
analytics software on your blog application if you're really interested 
in this.


As far as the Twitter "pros".  Articles will always need a short 
effective summary, this is usually less than 140 characters anyway, not 
because the author was limited to some arbitrary number of characters, 
but because the purpose of the summary is to be a short sentence that 
tells readers what is in the article.  Looking at edevel on Twitter, 
there is a lack of professionalism.  There are too many tweets that I'm 
not interested in and many tweets seem more conversational than 
informative.  Although greater accessibility is generally a good thing, 
being able to update the articles from a mobile phone will probably lead 
to lower quality journalism than you would otherwise have.


Last I want to compare some information feeds.  Here's the current 
edevel twitter feed and a few other project feeds I follow:

http://twitter.com/edevel
http://blog.songbirdnest.com/
http://blogs.atlassian.com/news/
http://dojotoolkit.org/taxonomy/term/29/0

Notice that the twitter feed more resembles mailing lists than a good 
source of news and articles.  You'll notice that the songbird site has a 
twitter feed on the right side, which also seems more like a 
conversation between people than a source of news articles.


Maybe the difference is just in the granularity of detail.  At the most 
verbose level you have IRC and the mailing lists.  Some people follow 
these sources and highlight things on twitter.  Other people will follow 
any of the three sources and then write higher quality articles on the 
blog or create wiki pages summarizing changes.  Other articles will come 
from developers who want to summarize and publish their work.


So I'll just conclude by saying that for me and other users/developers 
who want to follow the big events in the enlightenment world Twitter 
doesn't seem to be the right tool.  It shares the problems IRC and the 
mailing lists have of having too much information flyby.  I would prefer 
to follow a source that has a few high quality articles and news updates 
a week.  Not something like twitter with 10 tweets a day.  I don't think 
there's anything wrong with using Twitter as an additional communication 
tool.  I just think that what you really want is a better blog with more 
authors.


If no one has the energy/time to compare blog application tools and 
install one on the website I would be interested in doing so.  Just tell 
me if you want me to look into it.



-Arlo



Michael Jennings wrote:

On Wednesday, 13 May 2009, at 13:38:30 (+0200),
Thomas Gst?dtner wrote:

  

Why waste time and ressources for such a useless service that
doesn't have any advantage over anything else, instead of
maintaining a official information source on e.org with 1) no 140
char limit 2) more professionalism 3) a more official character 4) a
proper standard to get the news (RSS) 5) far better usability.  I
really can't understand why every new hype has to be adopted while
the official sources are hardly maintained at all.



1.  The 140-character limit is fairly soft, and it keeps things to
digestible chunks with links to the details.
2.  If you think there is a lack of professionals on Twitter, you
clearly haven't used it.
3.  I

[E-devel] E17 Debuging

2005-06-08 Thread Arlo White
I'm curious how other people attach a debugger to E17.

Currently I've made a X11 session which looks like this.
Eterm -e startx -- :1 &
sleep 6
Eterm -e gdb /usr/local/bin/enlightenment_e17 `ps -C enlightenment_e17
-o pid=` &
enlightenment

(Note: I have --program-suffix=_e17 to identify it in the process list
from e16)

One nuisance is that once gdb attaches it locks E17 and you need to
switch to your first display and type continue in the gdb terminal.  The
other problem is that with Eterm once the command is finished executing
the terminal closes.  So if there was any debug information you wanted
from a clean closing session it'd be gone.  This could be fixed  by
sending the output to a file, but it'd be nice if the terminal didn't
close after the command.  (Maybe other terminals behave differently but
I haven't checked)  One other issue is that restarting E will lose gdb
and lock E.  You have to quit your gdb session for E to be able to
restart and then reattach a new gdb.

I've looked at the gdb man page and couldn't find a way to automatically
continue after attaching.  I'm curious if there are options I'm missing
or another way of doing this.  Do any of you use a debugger other than
gdb that is nicer to the program it is debugging?

-Arlo


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[E-devel] Background displays Weather

2003-02-21 Thread Arlo White
I just had an idea that seemed kinda cool.
What if your background represented the weather/moonphase/etc.  You could
have some sort of outdoor scenery and then on top place clouds and show
animated rain to represent the weather in your area.  You could also have
the moon/sun positioned to represent their positions in the sky and show
the moonphase.  You might even show the weather forecast by animating a
change in weather.  If someone was really creative you might show the
actual constellations and planets that are visible that day.

Is this possible within the current Enlightenment vision?

-Arlo

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