Re: [E-devel] Suggest to remove Evas Canvas3D
Hello. On 16.03.20 11:44, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:48:14 +0100 Stefan Schmidt said: actually it seems i was wrong. marcel pointed this out - the evas 3d api was always beta so we can nuke it entirely... no need fro empty functions to keep abi :) Even better. :-) regards Stefan Schmidt ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Suggest to remove Evas Canvas3D
On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:48:14 +0100 Stefan Schmidt
said:
actually it seems i was wrong. marcel pointed this out - the evas 3d api was
always beta so we can nuke it entirely... no need fro empty functions to keep
abi :)
> Hello.
>
> On 13.03.20 12:26, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 16:22:51 +0900 Hermet Park said:
> >
> >> Leave apis empty? What do you mean by here APIs?
> >> I have no idea how this helps for preventing abi break. Though it might
> >> help to prevent api break but either way nothing helps.
> >
> > keep the legacy functions but with no content
> >
> > EAPI void evas_xxx_set(Evas_Object *obj, Eina_Bool x) { }
> > EAPI Evas_Object *evas_xxx_add(Evas *e) { return NULL; }
> >
> > etc. :) so any app that happens to call the api's can execute, just the
> > api's do nothing. no need to have .eo files - not even the classes or
> > actual object types. just enough empty functions to keep the abi from
> > breaking, but make the object totally non-functional. :) the object already
> > was a "soft guarantee". that means you needed a working gl engine for it to
> > work. if you work on software it'd only work if you also happened to have
> > osmesa also installed and this was dlopen()'d at runtime so it could
> > actually make this object not function at runtime. the above keeps the abi
> > there and just makes it never work no matter what the host setup was. :)
> > you could put in some ERR("Deprecated") too in the funcs if you wanted as
> > well.. :) so an executable that used these api's will start without symbol
> > errors. just this object will cease to work.
>
> If this should be changed for the upcoming 1.24 I would like to get this
> in rather sooner than later. To give it enough testing.
>
> ABI checker will also help us to find problems we might miss during
> normal testing.
>
> regards
> Stefan Schmidt
>
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Re: [E-devel] Suggest to remove Evas Canvas3D
Hello.
On 13.03.20 12:26, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 16:22:51 +0900 Hermet Park said:
Leave apis empty? What do you mean by here APIs?
I have no idea how this helps for preventing abi break. Though it might
help to prevent api break but either way nothing helps.
keep the legacy functions but with no content
EAPI void evas_xxx_set(Evas_Object *obj, Eina_Bool x) { }
EAPI Evas_Object *evas_xxx_add(Evas *e) { return NULL; }
etc. :) so any app that happens to call the api's can execute, just the api's
do nothing. no need to have .eo files - not even the classes or actual object
types. just enough empty functions to keep the abi from breaking, but make the
object totally non-functional. :) the object already was a "soft guarantee".
that means you needed a working gl engine for it to work. if you work on
software it'd only work if you also happened to have osmesa also installed and
this was dlopen()'d at runtime so it could actually make this object not
function at runtime. the above keeps the abi there and just makes it never work
no matter what the host setup was. :) you could put in some ERR("Deprecated")
too in the funcs if you wanted as well.. :) so an executable that used these
api's will start without symbol errors. just this object will cease to work.
If this should be changed for the upcoming 1.24 I would like to get this
in rather sooner than later. To give it enough testing.
ABI checker will also help us to find problems we might miss during
normal testing.
regards
Stefan Schmidt
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Re: [E-devel] Suggest to remove Evas Canvas3D
On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 16:22:51 +0900 Hermet Park said:
> Leave apis empty? What do you mean by here APIs?
> I have no idea how this helps for preventing abi break. Though it might
> help to prevent api break but either way nothing helps.
keep the legacy functions but with no content
EAPI void evas_xxx_set(Evas_Object *obj, Eina_Bool x) { }
EAPI Evas_Object *evas_xxx_add(Evas *e) { return NULL; }
etc. :) so any app that happens to call the api's can execute, just the api's
do nothing. no need to have .eo files - not even the classes or actual object
types. just enough empty functions to keep the abi from breaking, but make the
object totally non-functional. :) the object already was a "soft guarantee".
that means you needed a working gl engine for it to work. if you work on
software it'd only work if you also happened to have osmesa also installed and
this was dlopen()'d at runtime so it could actually make this object not
function at runtime. the above keeps the abi there and just makes it never work
no matter what the host setup was. :) you could put in some ERR("Deprecated")
too in the funcs if you wanted as well.. :) so an executable that used these
api's will start without symbol errors. just this object will cease to work.
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:42 PM Carsten Haitzler
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 13:11:29 + Al Poole said:
> >
> > don't think so.
> >
> > > Isn't onefang using it??
> > >
> > > On Thu, 12 Mar 2020, 13:07 Carsten Haitzler,
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 20:38:43 +0900 Hermet Park
> > > > said:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > More than 6 years, Evas Canvas3D is not maintained properly, not
> > used at
> > > > > all. just remained as bothersome for us.
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you think if we remove it?
> > > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > --
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> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [E-devel] Suggest to remove Evas Canvas3D
Leave apis empty? What do you mean by here APIs? I have no idea how this helps for preventing abi break. Though it might help to prevent api break but either way nothing helps. On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:42 PM Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 13:11:29 + Al Poole said: > > don't think so. > > > Isn't onefang using it?? > > > > On Thu, 12 Mar 2020, 13:07 Carsten Haitzler, > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 20:38:43 +0900 Hermet Park > > > said: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > More than 6 years, Evas Canvas3D is not maintained properly, not > used at > > > > all. just remained as bothersome for us. > > > > > > > > What do you think if we remove it? > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > -- > > > - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" > -- > > > Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > ___ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > -- > - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- > Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com > > > > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- Regards, Hermet ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Suggest to remove Evas Canvas3D
On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 13:11:29 + Al Poole said: don't think so. > Isn't onefang using it?? > > On Thu, 12 Mar 2020, 13:07 Carsten Haitzler, wrote: > > > On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 20:38:43 +0900 Hermet Park > > said: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > More than 6 years, Evas Canvas3D is not maintained properly, not used at > > > all. just remained as bothersome for us. > > > > > > What do you think if we remove it? > > > > +1 > > > > -- > > - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- > > Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Suggest to remove Evas Canvas3D
On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 20:38:43 +0900 Hermet Park said: > Hello, > > More than 6 years, Evas Canvas3D is not maintained properly, not used at > all. just remained as bothersome for us. > > What do you think if we remove it? btw - just make the api empty nops for abi compat. the functionality always was a soft guarantee due to engines being runtime modules and osemsa being a runtime d;open for sw... -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Suggest to remove Evas Canvas3D
Isn't onefang using it?? On Thu, 12 Mar 2020, 13:07 Carsten Haitzler, wrote: > On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 20:38:43 +0900 Hermet Park > said: > > > Hello, > > > > More than 6 years, Evas Canvas3D is not maintained properly, not used at > > all. just remained as bothersome for us. > > > > What do you think if we remove it? > > +1 > > -- > - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- > Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com > > > > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Suggest to remove Evas Canvas3D
On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 20:38:43 +0900 Hermet Park said: > Hello, > > More than 6 years, Evas Canvas3D is not maintained properly, not used at > all. just remained as bothersome for us. > > What do you think if we remove it? +1 -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] Suggest to remove Evas Canvas3D
Hello, More than 6 years, Evas Canvas3D is not maintained properly, not used at all. just remained as bothersome for us. What do you think if we remove it? -- Regards, Hermet ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
