Re: [E-devel] changing menu navigation key binding
* Kim Woelders ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Thanks Alan. This looks OK to me. > I will commit it, but please have a little patience. There are some > issues with E16.7 that I want sorted out first. Great news, and there is no hurry. I'm running this modified version here anyway ;-) Alan Schmitt -- The hacker: someone who figured things out and made something cool happen. .O. ..O OOO pgpI0YJ3khyGJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
[E-devel] Asparagus Gets its first press... and an idea.
As several people pointed out today, OSNews has reported Asparagus. (BTW, if you come to LW, ask Raster how he chose the name, it's a great story.) The story can be found here: http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7888 As usual, the user comments are fast, furious, and unbelievably stupidly f**king moronic. Apparently there are a large number of folks who STILL sit around trolling google for news of E so they can spew their baggage, which is interesting because they obviously haven't used E for 4+ years. Anyway. This arguably means that /. isn't far off from a report, namely due to overwhelming support from Rob (aka: CmdrTaco). I've done the best I can to make the E site clear that we are made up of 3 diffrent projects, and that we're about (and have always been about) more than just a Window Manager (think about GNOMEs dependancy on Imlib untill GNOME 2.0). But I digress. Something that might be interesting would be for a bunch of us to each pick 1 or 2 really stupid irritating user comments, respond to them, and then make a page outta it. That in and of itself might get some press to help perminantly dim (if even just alittle) the noisy idiots. Anyone wanna give it a shot? Doesn't seem like we have much to loose. I suppose the only restriction is that we should make the responces as generic and polite as possible, so as not to invite more morons to the frey. My persona fav is: " All I have to say about Enlightenment is that it's unusable. Visual Usability is really thrown out of the window in favor of eye candy. Now, if the target of these developers is to simply research the "coolness" of things, then E is a great, fun project. If their target is real life end users though, E --the way it looks and behaves today-- is useless. " Insidently, this comment was made by the Editor-in-Cheif of OSNews (Eugina). The wonderful thing about this comment is that I think most of us would agree that DR16 (obviously what she refers to) the thing that really keeps you running E isn't the eye candy but the easy of interaction and simple yet powerful management in the real world! Really, she's got it all completely backwards. When these people say "it's not like GNOME/KDE" in terms of feel/functionality, I think they really mean "It's not as restrictive as Win32". We offer everything you could want and more. These sorts posts are just amazingly daft, and I wish we could find a way to stomp this stuff out. benr. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by OSTG. Have you noticed the changes on Linux.com, ITManagersJournal and NewsForge in the past few weeks? Now, one more big change to announce. We are now OSTG- Open Source Technology Group. Come see the changes on the new OSTG site. www.ostg.com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Asparagus Gets its first press... and an idea.
* Ben Rockwood ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > My persona fav is: > " All I have to say about Enlightenment is that it's unusable. Visual > Usability is really thrown out of the window in favor of eye candy. Now, > if the target of these developers is to simply research the "coolness" > of things, then E is a great, fun project. If their target is real life > end users though, E --the way it looks and behaves today-- is useless. " > > Insidently, this comment was made by the Editor-in-Cheif of OSNews > (Eugina). The wonderful thing about this comment is that I think most > of us would agree that DR16 (obviously what she refers to) the thing > that really keeps you running E isn't the eye candy but the easy of > interaction and simple yet powerful management in the real world! > Really, she's got it all completely backwards. When these people say > "it's not like GNOME/KDE" in terms of feel/functionality, I think they > really mean "It's not as restrictive as Win32". We offer everything you > could want and more. These sorts posts are just amazingly daft, and I > wish we could find a way to stomp this stuff out. This is a very interesting comment, and somehow it seems to be characteristic of something that is deeply ingrained in the common psyche. We somehow need to send the message that the great thing about E is that you choose how much eye candy you want (and one can get a lot of cool looking things), without sacrificing any usability (one thing I love about E is the number of common actions I can do without using the mouse). The problem is that my crispy-looking winter-based non-sexy desktop (consisting of a gkrellm with either some Eterm running mutt, a big gvim split in many ways, or a firefox with too many tabs loaded, depending on the desktop) is not good screenshot material. And it's not easy to visually convey the fact that this setup just works (tm). Maybe we could have some "testimonials" of people explaining their setups, which would both show how configurable E is, and be some kind of simple tutorials. I'd be definitely ready to write something like this for mine. Alan Schmitt -- The hacker: someone who figured things out and made something cool happen. .O. ..O OOO pgpG909bMzVpU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [E-devel] Asparagus Gets its first press... and an idea.
On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:53:32 +0200 Alan Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote the words: > * Ben Rockwood ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > My persona fav is: > > " All I have to say about Enlightenment is that it's unusable. > > Visual Usability is really thrown out of the window in favor of eye > > candy. Now, if the target of these developers is to simply research > > the "coolness" of things, then E is a great, fun project. If their > > target is real life end users though, E --the way it looks and > > behaves today-- is useless. " > > > > Insidently, this comment was made by the Editor-in-Cheif of OSNews > > (Eugina). The wonderful thing about this comment is that I think > > most of us would agree that DR16 (obviously what she refers to) the > > thing that really keeps you running E isn't the eye candy but the > > easy of interaction and simple yet powerful management in the real > > world! Really, she's got it all completely backwards. When these > > people say "it's not like GNOME/KDE" in terms of feel/functionality, > > I think they really mean "It's not as restrictive as Win32". We > > offer everything you could want and more. These sorts posts are > > just amazingly daft, and I wish we could find a way to stomp this > > stuff out. > > This is a very interesting comment, and somehow it seems to be > characteristic of something that is deeply ingrained in the common > psyche. We somehow need to send the message that the great thing > about E is that you choose how much eye candy you want (and one can > get a lot of cool looking things), without sacrificing any usability > (one thing I love about E is the number of common actions I can do > without using the mouse). > > The problem is that my crispy-looking winter-based non-sexy desktop > (consisting of a gkrellm with either some Eterm running mutt, a big > gvim split in many ways, or a firefox with too many tabs loaded, > depending on the desktop) is not good screenshot material. And it's > not easy to visually convey the fact that this setup just works (tm). > Maybe we could have some "testimonials" of people explaining their > setups, which would both show how configurable E is, and be some kind > of simple tutorials. I'd be definitely ready to write something like > this for mine. > > Alan Schmitt Wow, this Eugina person must be a moron. When I started using Linux many, many moons ago, I played with all the WMs in the distro. It took me about 4 days to decide that E was the way to go and I have never looked back. "Visual Usability is really thrown out of the window" . . . What the hell is "visual usability" anyhow. I hit ctrl+alt+m, GIMP starts up, I make pretty pictures. What the hell else is a WM suppose to do? Bog down your sound/video cards? Crash every 3 hours? Have icons all over the place so you can click on the little pictures? Not like I really need to say this. I'm preaching to the congregation, but still. I'm not usually one to get worked up over stuff like this, but that quote was just too sickening for me to stand. BTW, I recently installed Entrance and just wanted to say that it, like all which is E, kicks ass. Thanks to all you developers and bug testers for your hard work. Adrian -- On The Fly Photography -:- Creation From Chaos On The Fly Photography: http://204EastSouth.com Purchase from On The Fly: http://www.cafepress.com/onthefly --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by OSTG. Have you noticed the changes on Linux.com, ITManagersJournal and NewsForge in the past few weeks? Now, one more big change to announce. We are now OSTG- Open Source Technology Group. Come see the changes on the new OSTG site. www.ostg.com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] packages in download page
> 2) On some systems all windows are shifted one virtual desktop to the > left after restart. I have found it completely impossible to reproduce > this so any help on this is most welcome. > Atm. I'm completely in the dark, so more or less anything will help, > like which distro and X11 version do you have and do you see this or > not. > On my FC2/xorg-x11-6.7.0-5 things appear rock solid across a restart. It took me "many" tries but I reproduced it (actually I was about to write a "no problem" mail but somehow I found it at the last try :) Slackware 10, xorg 6.7.0 Release Date: 18 December 2003 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.7 Enlightenment Version : enlightenment-0.16.8 code is current to: $Date: 2004/07/25 10:52:20 $ Did a fresh new start of E, started xmms (1.2.10) on first virtual desktop, started mozilla (1.7) on the second one, did a "restart E" and then mozilla moves left to the first virtual desktop. This is reproducable. In my configuration, where there is no multiple desktop set, but there are 2x3->6 virtual desktops set as 1 2 3 4 5 6 I saw - xmms on 1, eterm on 2, mozilla on 3, sylpheed on 4, doing a restart and all the progs move to virtual desktop 1 and "mozilla moving off the virtual desktop towards left, leaving only a few lines of it in virtual desktop 1, visible) - mozilla on 3, sylpheed on 4, xmms on 1, doing a restart and xmms stays in place, sylpheed moves to 3 and mozilla moves off the screen at 3 The above two somehow did not happen all the time, I really wonder why. HTH -- Onur KucukKnowledge speaks, but wisdom listens --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by OSTG. Have you noticed the changes on Linux.com, ITManagersJournal and NewsForge in the past few weeks? Now, one more big change to announce. We are now OSTG- Open Source Technology Group. Come see the changes on the new OSTG site. www.ostg.com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Asparagus Gets its first press... and an idea.
Insidently, this comment was made by the Editor-in-Cheif of OSNews (Eugina). The wonderful thing about this comment is that I think most of us would agree that DR16 (obviously what she refers to) the thing that really keeps you running E isn't the eye candy but the easy of interaction and simple yet powerful management in the real world! Really, she's got it all completely backwards. When these people say "it's not like GNOME/KDE" in terms of feel/functionality, I think they really mean "It's not as restrictive as Win32". We offer everything you could want and more. These sorts posts are just amazingly daft, and I wish we could find a way to stomp this stuff out. There is really no helping some people... ! :P For the record, the reason I use e is cause its NOT like Win32... this attitude within the Linux community that something isn't user friendly unless its like windows really sucks (actually, maybe its not somuch WITHIN the linux community). And, ironically, eye-candy or not, e is by far lighter than GNOME/KDE! So yeah, preaching to the converted as someone else said... keep up the good work everyone! :-) Nick PS Looking forward to seeing some IRIX packages :-) -- I liked things better when I didn't understand them. -- Calvin --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by OSTG. Have you noticed the changes on Linux.com, ITManagersJournal and NewsForge in the past few weeks? Now, one more big change to announce. We are now OSTG- Open Source Technology Group. Come see the changes on the new OSTG site. www.ostg.com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Asparagus Gets its first press... and an idea.
On Monday 02 August 2004 07:02 am, Cristalle Azundris Sabon wrote: > b) I have never read anything of Eugenia's that I didn't consider crap. yeah, i thought it was universally understood that Eugenia is a fucking moron ? -mike --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by OSTG. Have you noticed the changes on Linux.com, ITManagersJournal and NewsForge in the past few weeks? Now, one more big change to announce. We are now OSTG- Open Source Technology Group. Come see the changes on the new OSTG site. www.ostg.com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
