Re: [e-users] Weird switches (Was: Re: e19 - Mount and Unmount USB drive)

[David Seikel]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 18:54:44 +1100 Dave  wrote:

>  In the year 2015, of the month of October, on the 15th day, Markus
> Törnqvist wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 08:34:30AM +1000, David Seikel wrote:
> > >I would have thought something that starts with
> > >"i-really-know-what-i-am-doing" requires someone that actually
> > >knows what they are doing.  Deep magic that is only documented at
> > >the source level.
> > 
> > Well, yeah, but... What is it for?
> 
>  Are you sure you want to know?  Can you handle the truth?!
> 
>  Well, OK ... it sets a variable called "really_know", in E's main
> function, to a boolean true value.
> 
>  There, the truth is out now.  Remember, with great knowledge, comes
> great responsibility.

lol

Actually, what it does is to enable a bunch of stuff that might be
still alpha API, hence the need to really know what you are doing.  It
also enables some legacy stuff that might have bit rotted.  Coz using
these APIs might break things, hence the second part of that really long
name that I left off, coz it doesn't fit neatly into a single email
line. The complete name is -

--enable-i-really-know-what-i-am-doing-and-that-this-will-probably-

(deep breath before I say the rest of the name)

break-things-and-i-will-fix-them-myself-and-send-patches-aaa

The -aaa bit at the end is to outwit people that set this then
forget about it.  It gets changed every now and then, which breaks the
build, so these people then have to figure out why, and get reminded
that they have it turned on, and what they should do about it if other
stuff breaks.  Might prompt them to turn it off, long after they needed
it.

In my case, I use alpha APIs coz I'm developing a 3D application that
uses the new EO and Evas_3D stuff.  This is a huge project that wont be
useful until after these APIs become stable, coz it will take that long
to write.  I also use some legacy stuff.  I fall into the classification
of "I really know what I'm doing" coz I'm one of the EFL developers.
On the other hand, I don't have to "send patches", I have commit rights.
Though if it's an area I'm not so familiar with, and the patch isn't
trivial, I'll likely send a patch to the relevant developer/s.

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Re: [e-users] Weird switches (Was: Re: e19 - Mount and Unmount USB drive)

[Markus Törnqvist]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 08:34:30AM +1000, David Seikel wrote:
>I would have thought something that starts with
>"i-really-know-what-i-am-doing" requires someone that actually knows
>what they are doing.  Deep magic that is only documented at the source
>level.

Well, yeah, but... What is it for?

>-good/-evil/-psychotic is deliberately NOT documented anywhere,
>Rasters little joke.  Ask him.  B-)

I thought I did; he's subscribed to the list ;)

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[e-users] Cursor startup notification animation

[Aleksander Szczygieł]

Ok, thanks for fast previous reply :)

And I have next question: There is posibility to show mouse cursor's
animation when application starting? It is called if I'm not wrong -
startup notification.

I have tried to look for it in archive but I couldn't find anything.

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Re: [e-users] Weird switches (Was: Re: e19 - Mount and Unmount USB drive)

[Dave]

 In the year 2015, of the month of October, on the 15th day, Markus Törnqvist 
wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 08:34:30AM +1000, David Seikel wrote:
> >I would have thought something that starts with
> >"i-really-know-what-i-am-doing" requires someone that actually knows
> >what they are doing.  Deep magic that is only documented at the source
> >level.
> 
> Well, yeah, but... What is it for?

 Are you sure you want to know?  Can you handle the truth?!

 Well, OK ... it sets a variable called "really_know", in E's main function,
to a boolean true value.

 There, the truth is out now.  Remember, with great knowledge, comes great
responsibility.

 Cheers,
 dave.k


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[e-users] e16 question

[Larry Wyble]

I am planning on installing e16 on a chromebook with ubuntu installed
which has 16 gigs drive space (actually about 11.5 gigs now) and since
I am so limited with space I would like to know the bare essentials
needed for the e16 install. I am pretty sure I need the EFL, I say
pretty sure because I have always had the EFL installed on my main
computers and never really had to know what e16 requirements are, if I
installed e16 it just worked.  :)
But is there any other requirement for e16? And since there is a .deb
package for efl 1.7.9 would this be good enough for e16 newest version
Or should I build from source and package for .deb? 

Sorry this is so wordy.

Thanks for the info.

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Re: [e-users] e16 question

[David Seikel]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:24:32 -0500 Larry Wyble 
wrote:

> I am planning on installing e16 on a chromebook with ubuntu installed
> which has 16 gigs drive space (actually about 11.5 gigs now) and since
> I am so limited with space I would like to know the bare essentials
> needed for the e16 install. I am pretty sure I need the EFL, I say
> pretty sure because I have always had the EFL installed on my main
> computers and never really had to know what e16 requirements are, if I
> installed e16 it just worked.  :)
> But is there any other requirement for e16? And since there is a .deb
> package for efl 1.7.9 would this be good enough for e16 newest version
> Or should I build from source and package for .deb? 

Last time I checked, EFL is for e17 and beyond, not e16.  So that
answers that part of your question.  Dunno what other dependencies e16
has off the top of my head, sorry.

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Re: [e-users] e16 question

[Pierre Neyron]

On 15/10/15 20:37, David Seikel wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:24:32 -0500 Larry Wyble 
> wrote:
>
>> I am planning on installing e16 on a chromebook with ubuntu installed
>> which has 16 gigs drive space (actually about 11.5 gigs now) and since
>> I am so limited with space I would like to know the bare essentials
>> needed for the e16 install. I am pretty sure I need the EFL, I say
>> pretty sure because I have always had the EFL installed on my main
>> computers and never really had to know what e16 requirements are, if I
>> installed e16 it just worked.  :)
>> But is there any other requirement for e16? And since there is a .deb
>> package for efl 1.7.9 would this be good enough for e16 newest version
>> Or should I build from source and package for .deb? 
> Last time I checked, EFL is for e17 and beyond, not e16.  So that
> answers that part of your question.  Dunno what other dependencies e16
> has off the top of my head, sorry.
>

Hello,

you can still find e16's deb packages for Debian squeeze at:
https://packages.debian.org/fr/squeeze/e16
https://packages.debian.org/fr/source/squeeze/e16
You'll find some information on dependencies.

HTH
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