Re: [e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

2016-06-03 Thread Daniel Kasak 
Yikes. I just finished telling my 7-year-old that dummy-spits are not
the best way to get people to do what you'd like them to do.

Anyway ... what you've done is create a .desktop file in
~/.local/share/applications ... as noted in this thread. Next, you
need to add this to your launcher bar ( ibar ). Hit ALT + ESC
together, then type either the name you gave the app, or the path to
the app. If you don't see your app appear in the filtered list, your
.desktop file has issues. Locate it and figure out what the issue is.
If you *do* see the app, launch it, then CTRL + right-click it, and
select:

[app name] ( first item in menu ) ==> Add to IBar ==> default ( or
whatever IBar )

It should now be in your launcher.

I see now, looking at the right-click menu for IBar, that there is a
"+ Contents" item. Clicking this allows me to browse existing icons
and add them to the IBar.

Users that have been with E for a while will also know that in
~/.e/e/applications/bar/default there is a ".order" file that you can
add .desktop file names to. This was the very old way of adding icons
to the IBar.

There are lots of ways.

As for the rest of the comments, I've been using various versions of E
for the past 15 years or so. It's always been usable for me - actually
it's always been the *most* usable for me. I also appreciate the
mammoth effort in porting to Wayland - this will certainly pay off in
the long term.

Dan

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Larry Wyble  wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:32:05 -0700
> Eric  wrote:
>
>> On 06/03/2016 04:03 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:
>> > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 22:48:18 -0700
>> > Eric  wrote:
>> >
>>
>> >>
>> >> Can you give an example of what steps you are taking to create the
>> >> launcher, what application you are trying to launch and what errors
>> >> you are receiving?
>> >>
>> >> Otherwise I don't know if I can provide any help.
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards,
>> >>
>> >> Eric
>> >
>> > Right click on the Ibar go up to ibar then click "create new icon >
>> > then in the "Desktop Entry Editor" I put in the name, application,
>> > then click icon and enter the icon name, them click apply and close
>> > and nothing happens. It's like typing into nothing and hoping that
>> > nothing actually does something for you.
>> >
>> > Thanks for replying
>> >
>> >
>> That way is not working for me also but it does create a desktop file
>> in the ~/.local/share/applications directory.
>>
>> Can you see if the entry is located there?  If it is, try and drag it
>> from the file manager to the ibar between some of the other
>> application icons that are already there.
>>
>> I hope this works for you,
>>
>> kind regards,
>>
>> Eric
>
> Thanks Eric, but I think Jerry rigging is not the way this is supposed
> to work. This should be working properly by using the menus and apps
> built into Enlightenment, not by working around the designed
> operation. This is supposed to be Basic usability and it's not. It's
> ignored for the sake of NON-usability, IOW; Wayland.  Wayland is much
> more important than being able to use the desktop.
>
> Appreciate your replying to this.
> Larry
>
>
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Re: [e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

2016-06-03 Thread Larry Wyble 
On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:32:05 -0700
Eric  wrote:

> On 06/03/2016 04:03 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:
> > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 22:48:18 -0700
> > Eric  wrote:
> >  
> 
> >>
> >> Can you give an example of what steps you are taking to create the
> >> launcher, what application you are trying to launch and what errors
> >> you are receiving?
> >>
> >> Otherwise I don't know if I can provide any help.
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >> Eric  
> >
> > Right click on the Ibar go up to ibar then click "create new icon >
> > then in the "Desktop Entry Editor" I put in the name, application,
> > then click icon and enter the icon name, them click apply and close
> > and nothing happens. It's like typing into nothing and hoping that
> > nothing actually does something for you.
> >
> > Thanks for replying
> >
> >  
> That way is not working for me also but it does create a desktop file
> in the ~/.local/share/applications directory.
> 
> Can you see if the entry is located there?  If it is, try and drag it 
> from the file manager to the ibar between some of the other
> application icons that are already there.
> 
> I hope this works for you,
> 
> kind regards,
> 
> Eric

Thanks Eric, but I think Jerry rigging is not the way this is supposed
to work. This should be working properly by using the menus and apps
built into Enlightenment, not by working around the designed
operation. This is supposed to be Basic usability and it's not. It's
ignored for the sake of NON-usability, IOW; Wayland.  Wayland is much
more important than being able to use the desktop. 

Appreciate your replying to this.
Larry  


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Re: [e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

2016-06-03 Thread Eric 
On 06/03/2016 04:03 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 22:48:18 -0700
> Eric  wrote:
>

>>
>> Can you give an example of what steps you are taking to create the
>> launcher, what application you are trying to launch and what errors
>> you are receiving?
>>
>> Otherwise I don't know if I can provide any help.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Eric
>
> Right click on the Ibar go up to ibar then click "create new icon >
> then in the "Desktop Entry Editor" I put in the name, application, then
> click icon and enter the icon name, them click apply and close and
> nothing happens. It's like typing into nothing and hoping that nothing
> actually does something for you.
>
> Thanks for replying
>
>
That way is not working for me also but it does create a desktop file in 
the ~/.local/share/applications directory.

Can you see if the entry is located there?  If it is, try and drag it 
from the file manager to the ibar between some of the other application 
icons that are already there.

I hope this works for you,

kind regards,

Eric



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Re: [e-users] Enlightenment DR 0.21-rc Release

2016-06-03 Thread Carsten Holtkamp 
Pro Announcement, obeisance!

Is it possibly to have a summary of the "New gadget infrastructure"?

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Re: [e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

2016-06-03 Thread Larry Wyble 
On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 22:48:18 -0700
Eric  wrote:

> On 06/03/2016 03:27 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:
> >
> > No matter what I do in the ibar I can't make new application
> > launchers/icons in the ibar. I put in the name, the icon name,
> > the executable name, hit apply and then exit and nothing
> > happens.  What do I have to do to make new app launchers on
> > the ibar??  This shouldn't be this hard. This has been this way for
> > multiple versions and never fixed or EXPLAINED  in this
> > mailing list. Why? What the hell does it take to get this so a
> > regular user can set up a proper desktop the way they want it? What
> > use is the menu items "ibar > create new icon"?
> > I have even made my own .desktop files to try to get the launchers
> > on the ibar but enlightenment won't pick them up out of the
> > directory.
> >
> > Also I have tried for the last 3 versions to get help with my volume
> > keys on the keyboard but so far no one has bothered to answer my
> > questions on that.
> >
> > This is supposed to be the enlightenment mailing list where help is
> > supposed to be available but so far, even with the developer being
> > on this list, I have yet to get any help with this desktop. I just
> > continue to upgrade with each version that comes out hoping that
> > something changes and improves but nothing changes or improves,
> > just the same old problems, same old bugs, same old crap. This
> > would be a great desktop if it worked properly but it seems the
> > only things that are important is getting Wayland working. Yeah
> > buddy let's work on wayland and screw the rest of the desktop.
> >
> > Here's what we got for the last upgrade announcement:
> >
> > HIGHLIGHTS
> >* Greatly improved Wayland support
> >* New gadget infrastructure
> >* Wizard improvements
> >* Video backgrounds
> >
> > CHANGES SINCE BETA
> >* Wayland DMA buffer support
> >* Wayland session recovery
> >* New DRM subsystem
> >* Various crash fixes/additions
> >
> > 50%  Wayland announcements, which really doesn't make a tinkers
> > damn in the usability of the Enlightenment desktop. 50% Wayland and
> > the rest of the upgrades don't make another tinker's damn, DRM
> > subsystem, no help, Gadgets improvements, no help, Wizard
> > improvements, what's that? Video backgrounds, no help.
> > Let's fix the basic usability of the desktop.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, I know, I'm an asshole. But after years and years of trying to
> > use something that is a major fail and trying and trying to get help
> > and seeing another fail, I'm at the point where I'm truly
> > frustrated. Yeah, I know, it's free and so do you and since this
> > has been distributed free for so long I come to the conclusion that
> > you may want to know what a normal, loyal user's impression is of
> > the desktop. I have been using Enlightenment since before E17 and I
> > have upgraded every version since and I have always ended up going
> > back to e16, But I'm at the point where I have to leave E16 because
> > Terminology doesn't work properly with E16 now because of
> > terminology looking for some crap that E16 doesn't have. I get
> > errors and can't start it in full screen mode.
> >
> > Well, you can kick me off the mailing list and scream profanities at
> > me now and tell me what an asshole I am for expressing my opinions.
> > But that's life in the slow lane.
> > Thanks
> >  
> 
> Can you give an example of what steps you are taking to create the 
> launcher, what application you are trying to launch and what errors
> you are receiving?
> 
> Otherwise I don't know if I can provide any help.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Eric

Right click on the Ibar go up to ibar then click "create new icon >
then in the "Desktop Entry Editor" I put in the name, application, then
click icon and enter the icon name, them click apply and close and
nothing happens. It's like typing into nothing and hoping that nothing
actually does something for you.

Thanks for replying




 
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