Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Request for feedback: a MSI installer of Firefox
.msi is just a installation packaging method that standardizes ARP entries, uninstallation, upgrades, adds self-repair and so on. If used properly it makes things *easier* to Mozilla, not harder. You can of course do all that with exe too, but msi also allows customers to modify installation easily, which .exe does not. (edit ini-entries, add or remove files and so on). Timo Pietilä On 21.8.2017 16:53, Mikko Järvinen wrote: Hi Unfortunately there seems to be some misunderstanding from Mozilla's part about msi packages (and Windows Installer) and why many customers have for over ten years expressed their desire to get msi packages straight from Mozilla. Providing an msi wrapper as a solution quite misses the point. It is a start, however, and you must start from somewhere. ... Do not think this as a repackaging process which happens after build, because then you are on a completely wrong track and you will never reach your destination. ... ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe"
Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Request for feedback: a MSI installer of Firefox
I'm saying I don't want the CCK to go away, unless Mozilla is going to also have ESR consume GPOs somehow on the other OSs. I.e. I don't want to do 3x the work configuring the same settings in 3 different UIs and manually syncing changes. James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 08/23/2017 03:15 AM, Mikko Järvinen wrote: Hello Well, setup.exe is also Windows only. You still have different install commands for Windows, MacOS and Linux. I cannot see any reason why msi package and CCK2 couldn't work together. It is just about authoring the msi and providing a clever way to define the customizations and settings. CCK way or another. And then we are again at the point where separating code and settings and providing a way to customize settings is the key to make the software enterprise ready. Best regards, ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe"
Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Request for feedback: a MSI installer of Firefox
Hello Well, setup.exe is also Windows only. You still have different install commands for Windows, MacOS and Linux. I cannot see any reason why msi package and CCK2 couldn't work together. It is just about authoring the msi and providing a clever way to define the customizations and settings. CCK way or another. And then we are again at the point where separating code and settings and providing a way to customize settings is the key to make the software enterprise ready. Best regards, -- Mikko Järvinen > -Original Message- > From: Enterprise [mailto:enterprise-boun...@mozilla.org] On Behalf Of > Jason Jackson > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 10:16 PM > To: enterprise@mozilla.org > Subject: Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Request for feedback: a MSI installer of > Firefox > > Yes, let's not forget that MSI is Windows only. With CCK2, we can use the > same config files on different OS. We deploy a lot of applications with > SCCM, and in my opinion, the MSI-based ones aren't any better or easier. > > -- > Jason Jackson > Computer Systems Technician > North Vancouver School District > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Enterprise [mailto:enterprise-boun...@mozilla.org] On Behalf Of > > James M. Pulver > > Sent: August 22, 2017 11:50 AM > > To: enterprise@mozilla.org > > Subject: Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Request for feedback: a MSI installer > of > > Firefox > > > > Personally, I like the current setup once I got Puppet going. The reason > is > > consistent configuration for Windows, Linux and Mac. I wouldn't want to > do 2 > > or more attempts to apply the same configuration across the platforms, > at > > that point, I lose a lot of benefit from Firefox. > > > > James Pulver > > CLASSE Computer Group > > Cornell University > > > ___ > Enterprise mailing list > Enterprise@mozilla.org > https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise > > To unsubscribe from this list, please visit > https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to > enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe" ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe"
Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Request for feedback: a MSI installer of Firefox
I agree that the setup.exe is a much better way of deploying than a MSI-wrapped .exe but it is not industry standard to deploy in this way to large environments. Looking forward with modern deployment it will be MSI or APPX in the frontline to deploy applications on Windows 10, not .exe files. My 2 cents: If Frontmotion can do it in what seems an automated fashion, why can't Mozilla do it? (Not as well, I have reached out several times during the last three years to give assistance on the subject but have never heard back) Mvh Martin Gustafsson H & M HENNES & MAURITZ AB. IT DEPARTMENT. -Original Message- From: Enterprise [mailto:enterprise-boun...@mozilla.org] On Behalf Of Jason Jackson Sent: den 22 augusti 2017 21:16 To: enterprise@mozilla.org Subject: Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Request for feedback: a MSI installer of Firefox Yes, let's not forget that MSI is Windows only. With CCK2, we can use the same config files on different OS. We deploy a lot of applications with SCCM, and in my opinion, the MSI-based ones aren't any better or easier. -- Jason Jackson Computer Systems Technician North Vancouver School District > -Original Message- > From: Enterprise [mailto:enterprise-boun...@mozilla.org] On Behalf Of > James M. Pulver > Sent: August 22, 2017 11:50 AM > To: enterprise@mozilla.org > Subject: Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Request for feedback: a MSI installer of > Firefox > > Personally, I like the current setup once I got Puppet going. The reason is > consistent configuration for Windows, Linux and Mac. I wouldn't want to do 2 > or more attempts to apply the same configuration across the platforms, at > that point, I lose a lot of benefit from Firefox. > > James Pulver > CLASSE Computer Group > Cornell University > ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe" The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. Any unauthorized use, printing, copying, disclosure or dissemination of this communication may be subject to legal restriction or sanction. If you think that you have received this e-mail message in error, please reply to the sender and delete this message from your computer. ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe"
Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Request for feedback: a MSI installer of Firefox
Yes, let's not forget that MSI is Windows only. With CCK2, we can use the same config files on different OS. We deploy a lot of applications with SCCM, and in my opinion, the MSI-based ones aren't any better or easier. -- Jason Jackson Computer Systems Technician North Vancouver School District > -Original Message- > From: Enterprise [mailto:enterprise-boun...@mozilla.org] On Behalf Of > James M. Pulver > Sent: August 22, 2017 11:50 AM > To: enterprise@mozilla.org > Subject: Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Request for feedback: a MSI installer of > Firefox > > Personally, I like the current setup once I got Puppet going. The reason is > consistent configuration for Windows, Linux and Mac. I wouldn't want to do 2 > or more attempts to apply the same configuration across the platforms, at > that point, I lose a lot of benefit from Firefox. > > James Pulver > CLASSE Computer Group > Cornell University > ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe"
Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Request for feedback: a MSI installer of Firefox
Personally, I like the current setup once I got Puppet going. The reason is consistent configuration for Windows, Linux and Mac. I wouldn't want to do 2 or more attempts to apply the same configuration across the platforms, at that point, I lose a lot of benefit from Firefox. James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 08/22/2017 03:13 AM, Alexandre Gauvrit wrote: +1 If finally Mozilla would release an official Firefox MSI package, it would be good to follow previous comments on the real goals of an MSI package. * deploy Firefox through GPO for medium to big structures * manage Firefox system preferences (default proxy, extensions, security settings,etc) * manage Firefox users preferences (homepage, disable profile migration from IE, etc) * provide for that a correct set of ADM/ADMX file * provide a MST Wizard like Microsoft Office'one Many of us here already have found a workaround to the lack of an official MSI package, by repackaging it (FrontMotion, custom MSI, third party tool like WAPT/WPKG/etc.) or using dirty old Batch/VBS/PS scripts. Personaly I would not be "that relieved" if Mozilla's MSI package would come out in next months, as we already implemented equivalents doing the job, however it's always good to get things normalized. PS : "And Firefox should permit to use the certificates installed in Windows, like in Internet Explorer." it's already the case using security.enterprise_roots.enabled Alexandre On 22/08/2017 08:41, Luca Manganelli wrote: Il 21/08/2017 15:53, Mikko Järvinen ha scritto: If Mozilla is going to provide msi packages of their products the whole process must be seamlessly integrated into the automated build process. Every single resource, like files and registry settings, must belong into a one and only one Windows Installer component, which will be part of Windows Installer features, which eventually define and will be part of the msi package. +1. In a large organization, it's MUCH more less painfully to configure Firefox preferences with a Group Policy. This way permits you to set different configurations for OU/Groups. And Firefox should permit to use the certificates installed in Windows, like in Internet Explorer. ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe" -- Alexandre GAUVRIT Tranquil IT Systems Les Espaces Jules Verne, bâtiment A 12 avenue Jules Verne 44230 Saint Sébastien sur Loire tel : +33 (0) 2.40.97.57.55 http://www.tranquil-it-systems.fr ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe" ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe"
Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Request for feedback: a MSI installer of Firefox
+1 If finally Mozilla would release an official Firefox MSI package, it would be good to follow previous comments on the real goals of an MSI package. * deploy Firefox through GPO for medium to big structures * manage Firefox system preferences (default proxy, extensions, security settings,etc) * manage Firefox users preferences (homepage, disable profile migration from IE, etc) * provide for that a correct set of ADM/ADMX file * provide a MST Wizard like Microsoft Office'one Many of us here already have found a workaround to the lack of an official MSI package, by repackaging it (FrontMotion, custom MSI, third party tool like WAPT/WPKG/etc.) or using dirty old Batch/VBS/PS scripts. Personaly I would not be "that relieved" if Mozilla's MSI package would come out in next months, as we already implemented equivalents doing the job, however it's always good to get things normalized. PS : "And Firefox should permit to use the certificates installed in Windows, like in Internet Explorer." it's already the case using security.enterprise_roots.enabled Alexandre On 22/08/2017 08:41, Luca Manganelli wrote: Il 21/08/2017 15:53, Mikko Järvinen ha scritto: If Mozilla is going to provide msi packages of their products the whole process must be seamlessly integrated into the automated build process. Every single resource, like files and registry settings, must belong into a one and only one Windows Installer component, which will be part of Windows Installer features, which eventually define and will be part of the msi package. +1. In a large organization, it's MUCH more less painfully to configure Firefox preferences with a Group Policy. This way permits you to set different configurations for OU/Groups. And Firefox should permit to use the certificates installed in Windows, like in Internet Explorer. ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe" -- Alexandre GAUVRIT Tranquil IT Systems Les Espaces Jules Verne, bâtiment A 12 avenue Jules Verne 44230 Saint Sébastien sur Loire tel : +33 (0) 2.40.97.57.55 http://www.tranquil-it-systems.fr ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe"
Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Request for feedback: a MSI installer of Firefox
Il 21/08/2017 15:53, Mikko Järvinen ha scritto: If Mozilla is going to provide msi packages of their products the whole process must be seamlessly integrated into the automated build process. Every single resource, like files and registry settings, must belong into a one and only one Windows Installer component, which will be part of Windows Installer features, which eventually define and will be part of the msi package. +1. In a large organization, it's MUCH more less painfully to configure Firefox preferences with a Group Policy. This way permits you to set different configurations for OU/Groups. And Firefox should permit to use the certificates installed in Windows, like in Internet Explorer. ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe"
Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Request for feedback: a MSI installer of Firefox
Hi Unfortunately there seems to be some misunderstanding from Mozilla's part about msi packages (and Windows Installer) and why many customers have for over ten years expressed their desire to get msi packages straight from Mozilla. Providing an msi wrapper as a solution quite misses the point. It is a start, however, and you must start from somewhere. If Mozilla is going to provide msi packages of their products the whole process must be seamlessly integrated into the automated build process. Every single resource, like files and registry settings, must belong into a one and only one Windows Installer component, which will be part of Windows Installer features, which eventually define and will be part of the msi package. This authoring job and maintenance of the msi structure along with the code must be done by Mozilla, who owns the code. Moving towards msi packages and Windows Installer technology would be a huge step. A lot of things must change compared to the current packaging model. You cannot, for example, have both exe installer and msi package touch the same files and resources. If msi packages come then setup.exe's must go (or there must be some very clever detection logic in both to prevent damages). Do not think this as a repackaging process which happens after build, because then you are on a completely wrong track and you will never reach your destination. Another essential part closely related to the packaging and deployment in managed enterprise environments is (pre)configuring all kinds of settings. It would be just awesome if some of the settings or defaults would be possible to configure using mst file where one could define desired Windows Installer Properties which write settings in Windows registry which Firefox uses (instead of number of .js files). After that a natural step would be a group policy support and providing custom .admx and .adml files. What comes to the centralized settings management there is quite a long way until Mozilla is anywhere even close where PolicyPak's PolicyPak for Mozilla Firefox is today. This whole thing is mostly about a question whether or not Mozilla is interested in getting larger installation base for Firefox in big companies, businesses, enterprises, schools, etc. Best regards, -- Mikko Järvinen From: Enterprise [mailto:enterprise-boun...@mozilla.org] On Behalf Of Gustafsson Martin (SEIT) Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 10:06 AM To: enterprise@mozilla.org Subject: Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Request for feedback: a MSI installer of Firefox Hi Ledru! I just did a quick check of the MSI and, with all due respect, custom action wrapping an .exe-file in to an MSI with a silent switch is not really something that makes anyones life easier from an enterprise perspective. The strengths of an MSI comes from the different database tables inside that can be manipulated with transforms files so that we can build from a base package. A tip is to look at the FrontMotion MSI:s to get an idea of what they should look like when a repackaged .exe is done properly (http://www.frontmotion.com/news/firefoxesr/releases/firefoxesr-52-3-0/). Not sure if they are building MSI:s directly from your build scripts as they look very neat and tidy :D Mvh Martin Gustafsson From: Enterprise [mailto:enterprise-boun...@mozilla.org] On Behalf Of Sylvestre Ledru Sent: den 16 augusti 2017 18:43 To: enterprise@mozilla.org<mailto:enterprise@mozilla.org>; Romain Testard mailto:rom...@mozilla.com>>; Michael Kaply mailto:mka...@mozilla.com>> Subject: [Mozilla Enterprise] Request for feedback: a MSI installer of Firefox Hello, Thanks to all the answers to the survey that we received, we have decided to investigate what a Firefox MSI installer could look like. We made a simple MSI wrapper of Firefox 52.2.0 installer. It is available on this URL: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9mXnKFQuivXd19YT1NhNHpVRkk/view sha256: e9b31370ee13ffd74d5cb14143aa49aff353dac7d6fe707eb53460fc7482aa31 Now, we would appreciate your feedback on this implementation. Please use this form to tell us what you think: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSevoDXIWq4d5vbBR41rQSNhZiInw2CNqYBwQUbnlj1xP5wEdw/viewform Please note that this is a proof of concept and that should not be used in production. Thanks, Sylvestre The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. Any unauthorized use, printing, copying, disclosure or dissemination of this communication may be subject to legal restriction or sanction. If you think that you have received this e-mail message in error, please reply to the sender and delete this message from your computer. ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listin
Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Request for feedback: a MSI installer of Firefox
Hi Ledru! I just did a quick check of the MSI and, with all due respect, custom action wrapping an .exe-file in to an MSI with a silent switch is not really something that makes anyones life easier from an enterprise perspective. The strengths of an MSI comes from the different database tables inside that can be manipulated with transforms files so that we can build from a base package. A tip is to look at the FrontMotion MSI:s to get an idea of what they should look like when a repackaged .exe is done properly (http://www.frontmotion.com/news/firefoxesr/releases/firefoxesr-52-3-0/). Not sure if they are building MSI:s directly from your build scripts as they look very neat and tidy :D Mvh Martin Gustafsson From: Enterprise [mailto:enterprise-boun...@mozilla.org] On Behalf Of Sylvestre Ledru Sent: den 16 augusti 2017 18:43 To: enterprise@mozilla.org; Romain Testard ; Michael Kaply Subject: [Mozilla Enterprise] Request for feedback: a MSI installer of Firefox Hello, Thanks to all the answers to the survey that we received, we have decided to investigate what a Firefox MSI installer could look like. We made a simple MSI wrapper of Firefox 52.2.0 installer. It is available on this URL: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9mXnKFQuivXd19YT1NhNHpVRkk/view sha256: e9b31370ee13ffd74d5cb14143aa49aff353dac7d6fe707eb53460fc7482aa31 Now, we would appreciate your feedback on this implementation. Please use this form to tell us what you think: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSevoDXIWq4d5vbBR41rQSNhZiInw2CNqYBwQUbnlj1xP5wEdw/viewform Please note that this is a proof of concept and that should not be used in production. Thanks, Sylvestre The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. Any unauthorized use, printing, copying, disclosure or dissemination of this communication may be subject to legal restriction or sanction. If you think that you have received this e-mail message in error, please reply to the sender and delete this message from your computer. ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe"
