[EPEL-devel] Re: Proposed official change to EPEL guidelines: modules and RHEL

2020-02-14 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Kevin Fenzi  said:
> Does this mean if there's a package foo that is a rhel package, but not
> in a module, that it can be overlapped with a foo package thats in a
> epel non default module? ie, does it only mean the modular case or does
> it mean any rpm?

As a consumer of EPEL, I'd rather nothing in the base RHEL (or really
CentOS in my case) ever get replaced, up or downgrade, by something in
EPEL.

Unless... does RHEL have modules that replace base packages?  I admit, I
haven't fully got my head wrapped around all the effects of modularity.

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Chris Adams 
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[EPEL-devel] Re: Proposed official change to EPEL guidelines: modules and RHEL

2020-02-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 07:54:24AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> I've been saying this for a while as if it's fact, but of course it's not
> actually fact until approved, so I'm puting this to the EPEL team to
> hopefully do so.
> 
> The current guidelines * say:
> 
>EPEL packages should only enhance and never disturb the Enterprise Linux
>distributions they were built for. Thus packages from EPEL should never
>replace packages from the target base distribution - including those on the
>base distribution as well as layered products; kernel-modules further are
>not allowed, as they can disturb the base kernel easily.
> 
> With modularity in EPEL 8, we have the opportunity to allow more flexibility
> while preserving the primary goal of not disturbing the base distribution.
> Therefore, I propose adding:
> 
>   In EPEL 8 or later, it is permitted to have module streams which contain
>   packages with alternate versions to those provided in RHEL. These packages
>   may be newer, built with different options, or even older to serve
>   compatibility needs. These MUST NOT be the default stream -- in every
>   case, explicit user action must be required to opt in to these versions.
> 
> 
> (Note that the base package _does not_ have to be part of a module for this
> to work.)
> 
> What do you think?

This is what I was trying to get to in the thread recently about
libssh2. However it's still not entirely clear to me. 

Does this mean if there's a package foo that is a rhel package, but not
in a module, that it can be overlapped with a foo package thats in a
epel non default module? ie, does it only mean the modular case or does
it mean any rpm?

kevin


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[EPEL-devel] Re: Can we enable some "-devel" modules from CBR in the EPEL8 buildroot?

2020-02-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 10:23:52AM +0100, Miro HronĨok wrote:
> Hello EPEL.
> 
> It seems that we have a python38-devel module in the RHEL 8.2 Beta Code
> Ready Builder repository. It has only one stream but it is not a default
> stream due to some technical limitations.
> 
> Can we please enable such stream in the EPEL8 buildroot trough some Ursa
> Major/Prime/... thing?

Nope. We don't ever sync or use betas... once it's released it should be
possible to use it however. 

> Is that technically possible on EPEL side?

Yeah, the way we have things now it should be possible. 

> Is that possible by policy?

I think so... 

kevin


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