[EPEL-devel] Re: Do we need Mock supported on EL7?
On Saturday, July 17, 2021 3:18:02 PM CEST Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 at 17:59, Pavel Raiskup wrote: > > > > We touched this topic several times before in our team. Perhaps we should > > move > > on and do it... it would simplify a development (the yum/dnf hacks, > > legacy systemd-nspawn hacks, podman requirement for building Fedora, etc.). > > > > I created an issue [1], can you please vote there if you are concerned? If > > you > > have a good argument for keeping the support, please write here or there (or > > both). > > > > [1] https://github.com/rpm-software-management/mock/issues/755 > > > > First off, what does this mean: > > 1. you can't build EL7 packages anymore with mock? AKA we would need > to stop building EPEL7 No. E.g. Copr builders are on the latest Mock, on Fedora 34, and they build EL7 just fine. > 2. you can't use "mock" on systems after the XYZ version? Yes, Mock version XYZ will not be available on EL7. > Going from the graphs of growth, most of EL growth has been in EL7 > since last year. That said.. I expect that if there is a version which > is 'known' to be the last working version of mock then people needing > it can 'keep' that version on those systems as long as they need. Exactly. Pavel > > > Thank you, > > Pavel > > > > > > ___ > > epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > Fedora Code of Conduct: > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > List Archives: > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > > Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: > > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure > > > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. > I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Flame wars in > sci.astro.orion. I have seen SPAM filters overload because of Godwin's > Law. All those moments will be lost in time... like posts on BBS... > time to reboot. > ___ > epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure > ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[EPEL-devel] Re: Do we need Mock supported on EL7?
On Saturday, July 17, 2021 9:08:48 PM CEST Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 9:19 AM Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > > On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 at 17:59, Pavel Raiskup wrote: > > > > > > We touched this topic several times before in our team. Perhaps we > > > should move > > > on and do it... it would simplify a development (the yum/dnf hacks, > > > legacy systemd-nspawn hacks, podman requirement for building Fedora, > > > etc.). > > > > > > I created an issue [1], can you please vote there if you are concerned? > > > If you > > > have a good argument for keeping the support, please write here or there > > > (or > > > both). > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/rpm-software-management/mock/issues/755 > > > > > > > First off, what does this mean: > > > > 1. you can't build EL7 packages anymore with mock? AKA we would need > > to stop building EPEL7 > > 2. you can't use "mock" on systems after the XYZ version? > > > > Going from the graphs of growth, most of EL growth has been in EL7 > > since last year. That said.. I expect that if there is a version which > > is 'known' to be the last working version of mock then people needing > > it can 'keep' that version on those systems as long as they need. > > I've done backports of mock for some operating systems, to get updated > versions of mock-core-configs on Amazon Linux 2 for example. You can > still compile older operating systems on modern operating systems. The > bigger problem is operating systems like Amazon Linux 2, or RHEL, > where the basic software repositories are not publicly accessible to > use on other systems. Either you have to use mock on those operating > systems to build for them, or you need to set up an internal yum > mirror with tools ike > https://github.com/nkadel/nkadel-rsync-scripts/blob/master/reposync-rhel-6.sh > . We can build RHEL 7 just fine on RHEL 8 or on Fedora, without a local mirror. https://github.com/rpm-software-management/mock/wiki/Feature-rhelchroots If we faced with bottlenecks, going with bootstrap chroot or even bootstrap image should help nowadays. > EL 8 had its adoption poisoned by some very unwelcome choices by Red > Hat. That's a long rant of its own, one I've stated before in the > CentOS groups. But it means that EL 7 is going to be around a lot > longer than people may wish. If we can keep mock working for EL 7 for > longer, I'd be all on board. I especially want it for Amazon Linux 2, > where I provided some support for the Samba developers to port current > Samba releases to that EL 7 based but somewhat distinct environment. > (python3 is python 3.7 there, and they have python 3.8 available: > stuff built for RHEL 7 or CentOs 7 does not behave well there!) The Mock on EL 7 should stay working for the extended life period. Just that it would not get updates with all bugfixes and new features. Pavel > Nico Kadel-Garcia > ___ > devel mailing list -- de...@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/de...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure > ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
[EPEL-devel] Re: Do we need Mock supported on EL7?
On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 at 17:59, Pavel Raiskup wrote: > > We touched this topic several times before in our team. Perhaps we should > move > on and do it... it would simplify a development (the yum/dnf hacks, > legacy systemd-nspawn hacks, podman requirement for building Fedora, etc.). > > I created an issue [1], can you please vote there if you are concerned? If > you > have a good argument for keeping the support, please write here or there (or > both). > > [1] https://github.com/rpm-software-management/mock/issues/755 > First off, what does this mean: 1. you can't build EL7 packages anymore with mock? AKA we would need to stop building EPEL7 2. you can't use "mock" on systems after the XYZ version? Going from the graphs of growth, most of EL growth has been in EL7 since last year. That said.. I expect that if there is a version which is 'known' to be the last working version of mock then people needing it can 'keep' that version on those systems as long as they need. > Thank you, > Pavel > > > ___ > epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure -- Stephen J Smoogen. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Flame wars in sci.astro.orion. I have seen SPAM filters overload because of Godwin's Law. All those moments will be lost in time... like posts on BBS... time to reboot. ___ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
