[EPEL-devel] Re: EPEL: Python 3.4 will be EOL in March 2019

2018-08-24 Thread Tim Orling 
On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 3:04 PM Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

> On 08/21/2018 11:06 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> >>
> >> I'd start untangling the deps and getting the following in:
> >>
> >>   * six (looking at that one now)
> >
> > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python3-six/pull-request/1


Merged.

> 
> >
> >>   * pytest
> >>   * Cython
> >>   * PyYAML
> >>   * pip
> >>   * attrs
> >>   * requests
> >>   * mock
>
> Yeah, I'd love to see us move this forward and get everything on 3.6...
>
> Unfortunately I don't have a lot of time, but I can review/merge PR's
> and do builds and such.
>
> Perhaps we could setup a wiki page or someplace to coordinate?
>
> kevin
>
>
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[EPEL-devel] Re: EPEL: Python 3.4 will be EOL in March 2019

2018-08-24 Thread Kevin Fenzi 
On 08/21/2018 11:06 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
>>
>> I'd start untangling the deps and getting the following in:
>>
>>   * six (looking at that one now)
> 
> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python3-six/pull-request/1
> 
>>   * pytest
>>   * Cython
>>   * PyYAML
>>   * pip
>>   * attrs
>>   * requests
>>   * mock

Yeah, I'd love to see us move this forward and get everything on 3.6...

Unfortunately I don't have a lot of time, but I can review/merge PR's
and do builds and such.

Perhaps we could setup a wiki page or someplace to coordinate?

kevin




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[EPEL-devel] Re: EPEL: Python 3.4 will be EOL in March 2019

2018-08-21 Thread Miro Hrončok 

On 21.8.2018 19:56, Miro Hrončok wrote:

On 21.8.2018 19:27, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:

On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 at 13:24, Miro Hrončok  wrote:


On 13.8.2018 11:49, Larry Hastings wrote on python-...@python.org:
  > We of the core dev community commit to supporting Python releases 
for
  > five years.  Releases get eighteen months of active bug fixes, 
followed
  > by three and a half years of security fixes.  Python 3.4 turns 5 
next
  > March--at which point we'll stop supporting it, and I'll retire 
as 3.4

  > release manager.
  >
  > My plan is to make one final release on or around its fifth birthday
  > containing the last round of security fixes.  That's about seven
  > months from now.

See also PEP 429 -- Python 3.4 Release Schedule [0].

We have python34 and python36 in EPEL7. python34 being the "main" one
and python36 the "other" one. The original plan [1] was that once the
ecosystem is adapted well enough, we can switch what "main" and "other"
is and eventually drop python34, creating room for maybe another python3
release to be the "other" next (python38 maybe?). Originally this was
supposed to happen for each release [2], but this was later abandoned
due to lack of manpower.

Do we want to ever switch "main" with "other"? The problem here is:

$ dnf repoquery --repo=epel7 --whatrequires 'python(abi) = 3.4' |
pkgname | sort | uniq | wc -l
243

$ dnf repoquery --repo=epel7 --whatrequires 'python(abi) = 3.6' |
pkgname | sort | uniq | wc -l
15

The original idea is that all packages would have the python3_other
macros in them [2] and all we need is rebuild everything in proper
order, maybe with some bootstrapping. However that never happened and
most of the packages I've seen lack the python3_other bits (no
statistics, just my impression).

Is this something we want? If so, are the packagers willing to adapt
their packages (as much as I'd like to do this, I lack the resources to
hack on 228 packages)?

The Python Maint team in Red Hat is here to help. However the drive
would need to come from the EPEL community, as now we are only guessing
what are the needs here.


Understood. What are the groups initial recommendations for us to
follow? I agree we need to have this done this fall/winter. [AKA I
would like to say python34 will be removed by whatever EL7.x release
comes out next.]


I'd start untangling the deps and getting the following in:

  * six (looking at that one now)


https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python3-six/pull-request/1


  * pytest
  * Cython
  * PyYAML
  * pip
  * attrs
  * requests
  * mock



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[EPEL-devel] Re: EPEL: Python 3.4 will be EOL in March 2019

2018-08-21 Thread Miro Hrončok 

On 21.8.2018 19:27, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:

On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 at 13:24, Miro Hrončok  wrote:


On 13.8.2018 11:49, Larry Hastings wrote on python-...@python.org:
  > We of the core dev community commit to supporting Python releases for
  > five years.  Releases get eighteen months of active bug fixes, followed
  > by three and a half years of security fixes.  Python 3.4 turns 5 next
  > March--at which point we'll stop supporting it, and I'll retire as 3.4
  > release manager.
  >
  > My plan is to make one final release on or around its fifth birthday
  > containing the last round of security fixes.  That's about seven
  > months from now.

See also PEP 429 -- Python 3.4 Release Schedule [0].

We have python34 and python36 in EPEL7. python34 being the "main" one
and python36 the "other" one. The original plan [1] was that once the
ecosystem is adapted well enough, we can switch what "main" and "other"
is and eventually drop python34, creating room for maybe another python3
release to be the "other" next (python38 maybe?). Originally this was
supposed to happen for each release [2], but this was later abandoned
due to lack of manpower.

Do we want to ever switch "main" with "other"? The problem here is:

$ dnf repoquery --repo=epel7 --whatrequires 'python(abi) = 3.4' |
pkgname | sort | uniq | wc -l
243

$ dnf repoquery --repo=epel7 --whatrequires 'python(abi) = 3.6' |
pkgname | sort | uniq | wc -l
15

The original idea is that all packages would have the python3_other
macros in them [2] and all we need is rebuild everything in proper
order, maybe with some bootstrapping. However that never happened and
most of the packages I've seen lack the python3_other bits (no
statistics, just my impression).

Is this something we want? If so, are the packagers willing to adapt
their packages (as much as I'd like to do this, I lack the resources to
hack on 228 packages)?

The Python Maint team in Red Hat is here to help. However the drive
would need to come from the EPEL community, as now we are only guessing
what are the needs here.


Understood. What are the groups initial recommendations for us to
follow? I agree we need to have this done this fall/winter. [AKA I
would like to say python34 will be removed by whatever EL7.x release
comes out next.]


I'd start untangling the deps and getting the following in:

 * six (looking at that one now)
 * pytest
 * Cython
 * PyYAML
 * pip
 * attrs
 * requests
 * mock

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[EPEL-devel] Re: EPEL: Python 3.4 will be EOL in March 2019

2018-08-21 Thread Stephen John Smoogen 
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 at 13:24, Miro Hrončok  wrote:
>
> On 13.8.2018 11:49, Larry Hastings wrote on python-...@python.org:
>  > We of the core dev community commit to supporting Python releases for
>  > five years.  Releases get eighteen months of active bug fixes, followed
>  > by three and a half years of security fixes.  Python 3.4 turns 5 next
>  > March--at which point we'll stop supporting it, and I'll retire as 3.4
>  > release manager.
>  >
>  > My plan is to make one final release on or around its fifth birthday
>  > containing the last round of security fixes.  That's about seven
>  > months from now.
>
> See also PEP 429 -- Python 3.4 Release Schedule [0].
>
> We have python34 and python36 in EPEL7. python34 being the "main" one
> and python36 the "other" one. The original plan [1] was that once the
> ecosystem is adapted well enough, we can switch what "main" and "other"
> is and eventually drop python34, creating room for maybe another python3
> release to be the "other" next (python38 maybe?). Originally this was
> supposed to happen for each release [2], but this was later abandoned
> due to lack of manpower.
>
> Do we want to ever switch "main" with "other"? The problem here is:
>
> $ dnf repoquery --repo=epel7 --whatrequires 'python(abi) = 3.4' |
> pkgname | sort | uniq | wc -l
> 243
>
> $ dnf repoquery --repo=epel7 --whatrequires 'python(abi) = 3.6' |
> pkgname | sort | uniq | wc -l
> 15
>
> The original idea is that all packages would have the python3_other
> macros in them [2] and all we need is rebuild everything in proper
> order, maybe with some bootstrapping. However that never happened and
> most of the packages I've seen lack the python3_other bits (no
> statistics, just my impression).
>
> Is this something we want? If so, are the packagers willing to adapt
> their packages (as much as I'd like to do this, I lack the resources to
> hack on 228 packages)?
>
> The Python Maint team in Red Hat is here to help. However the drive
> would need to come from the EPEL community, as now we are only guessing
> what are the needs here.

Understood. What are the groups initial recommendations for us to
follow? I agree we need to have this done this fall/winter. [AKA I
would like to say python34 will be removed by whatever EL7.x release
comes out next.]


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