[Eug-lug]December MWVLUG Meeting Notes Posted (Perl Code Review)

2002-12-05 Thread Cooper Stevenson
All,

I've just posted Randal Schwartz's (author of several Perl books and
articles) handout from his excellent presentation, ``Perl Code Review''
here:

http://www.mwvlug.org/index.pl?section=DecemberLugMeeting

Enjoy!


Best,


Cooper Stevenson
MWVLUG Coordinator
http://www.mwvlug.org

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Re: [Eug-lug]Bug reporting in Debian

2002-12-05 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 04:20:21PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote:
 Jacob Meuser wrote:
 
  On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 12:39:06PM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote:
   reportbug?
  
  OpenBSD uses a command called 'sendbug', the manpage says it's
  Copyright (c) 1992, 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
 
 Why on earth does OpenBSD have a command to report bugs in Debian?

;)

Anyway, if you haven't found it yet, did you try:

$ man -k bug

?

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Re: [Eug-lug]Bug reporting in Debian

2002-12-05 Thread Mark Bigler
Jacob Meuser wrote:
 On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 12:39:06PM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote:
  reportbug?
[snip]
 Anyway, if you haven't found it yet, did you try:

 $ man -k bug

 ?

In Debian, man pages are part of the packages they go with.  So, if you 
don't have the bug reporting tools installed, that might not work.

Try these as well:

 apt-cache search bug | grep -i debian
 apt-cache search bug | grep -i report
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Re: [Eug-lug]Bug reporting in Debian

2002-12-05 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 06:03:52PM -0800, Mark Bigler wrote:

 In Debian, man pages are part of the packages they go with.  So, if you 
 don't have the bug reporting tools installed, that might not work.

Oh yes, of course.  In OpenBSD, bug reporting tools, and their manpages, are
part of the base system.

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Re: [Eug-lug]Bug reporting in Debian

2002-12-05 Thread Mark Bigler
Jacob Meuser wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 06:03:52PM -0800, Mark Bigler wrote:
  In Debian, man pages are part of the packages they go with.  So, if
  you don't have the bug reporting tools installed, that might not
  work.

 Oh yes, of course.  In OpenBSD, bug reporting tools, and their
 manpages, are part of the base system.

You must be in a flaming mood, but I'll pass.

But, I will say, when there may be a variety of tools available to do a 
given job, it's likely the one best suited to your needs may not have 
been installed by default.  So, if you want to know what packages might 
be useful to the task at hand, you're best off using a search tool that 
looks at the entire package base rather than one that just looks at 
what you have installed (e.g. apt-cache search vs. man -k).
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Re: [Eug-lug]Bug reporting in Debian

2002-12-05 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 06:35:35PM -0800, Mark Bigler wrote:
 Jacob Meuser wrote:
  On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 06:03:52PM -0800, Mark Bigler wrote:
   In Debian, man pages are part of the packages they go with.  So, if
   you don't have the bug reporting tools installed, that might not
   work.
 
  Oh yes, of course.  In OpenBSD, bug reporting tools, and their
  manpages, are part of the base system.
 
 You must be in a flaming mood, but I'll pass.
 
 But, I will say, when there may be a variety of tools available to do a 
 given job, it's likely the one best suited to your needs may not have 
 been installed by default.  So, if you want to know what packages might 
 be useful to the task at hand, you're best off using a search tool that 
 looks at the entire package base rather than one that just looks at 
 what you have installed (e.g. apt-cache search vs. man -k).

Sure, but I do 'man -k whatever' first, because if it's installed,
then I don't care about installing it.  There may also be pointers
from the output of 'man -k' ... from default this is part of so-and-so
OS stuff.

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Re: [Eug-lug]Bug reporting in Debian

2002-12-05 Thread Mark Bigler
Jacob Meuser wrote:
 Sure, but I do 'man -k whatever' first, because if it's installed,
 then I don't care about installing it.  There may also be pointers
 from the output of 'man -k' ... from default this is part of
 so-and-so OS stuff.

Quite so.  My 1st post on this suggested 'apt-cache search ...' as 
somthing to do in addition to your suggestion of 'man -k ...'

Mark Bigler wrote:
 Try these as well:

  apt-cache search bug | grep -i debian
  apt-cache search bug | grep -i report

BTW, I was forgetting that apt-cache will 'and' together the arguments 
to search, so:

  apt-cache search bug debian
  apt-cache search bug report

would work just fine.
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[Eug-lug]Big brother is a Motor Head!

2002-12-05 Thread Beaker (aka Jeff W)
http://www.darpa.mil/iao/


while checking out the above link I thought I'd see what was on the main 
DARPA page and found this:

http://www.darpa.mil/grandchallenge/index.htm

The cash prize is a cool million (taxpayer?) dollars!

~beaker

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Re: [Eug-lug]Big brother is a Motor Head!

2002-12-05 Thread Bob Crandell
That looks cool.  Let's build one.  It should only take a few thousand dollars in
hardware, and a whole lot of hours.

Beaker (aka Jeff W) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*:

 http://www.darpa.mil/iao/

while checking out the above link I thought I'd see what was on the main
DARPA page and found this:

http://www.darpa.mil/grandchallenge/index.htm

The cash prize is a cool million (taxpayer?) dollars!

~beaker

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Re: [Eug-lug]Spirited Away

2002-12-05 Thread Joseph Carter
It looks like we're going to see the 7:15pm showing.  Looks like we should
meet then at the Bijou at about 7pm?  Several of us are going to be coming
from the EFN office, and we'll probably leave here at or around 6:30pm and
walk over there or something like that.

I hope to have a reasonably large crowd of geeks show up to see this
thing.  =)

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[Eug-lug]No future in proprietary software

2002-12-05 Thread Dexter Graphic
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2127047,00.html

Richard Stallman, the free-software nut who became a 
genius, is on a mission to completely reject proprietary 
software - and make it easy for others to reject it, too.


I thought this article had something for everyone, so I
posted it to the EUGLUG technical and announcement list.
If you feel the need to reply, please do it on Activism.

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(At least that's how it worked when I signed up a year 
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[Eug-lug]Noteworthy nerd humor...

2002-12-05 Thread Linux Rocks !
Talking Frog
 --
 A computer programmer happens across a frog in the road. The frog pipes 
 up, I'm really a beautiful princess and if you kiss me, I'll hang out 
 with you for a week. The programmer shrugs his shoulders and puts the 
 frog in his pocket. 
 A few minutes later, the frog says OK, OK, if you kiss me, I'll be your
 girlfriend for a week. The programmer nods and puts the frog back in his 
 pocket. 
 
 A few minutes later, Turn me back into a princess and I'll be your 
 girlfriend for a whole year!. The programmer smiles and walks on. 
 
 Finally, the frog says, What's wrong with you? I've promised lots of 
 fun with a beautiful princess for a whole year and you won't even kiss 
 a frog? 
 
 I'm a programmer, he replies. I don't have time for girls But a 
 talking frog is pretty neat.
 

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Re: [Eug-lug]Spirited Away -- and 'spirit' afterwards ?

2002-12-05 Thread Horst
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Joseph Carter wrote:
 It looks like we're going to see the 7:15pm showing.  Looks like we should
 meet then at the Bijou at about 7pm?  Several of us are going to be coming

...and micro brew at the High Street Cafe afterwards ? 
Certainly, I'll do both ... Horst


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Re: [Eug-lug]Big brother is a Motor Head!

2002-12-05 Thread Linux Rocks !
Hmmm... well.. I hope your not making plans with that million bucks.. The 
rules state several instances that no award will be made. including an 
unspecified time limit. in otherwords, even if your not the first to cross 
the finishline, you still may not win. 
Its a pretty stiff challenge too.. consider how much money NASA has spent on 
the mars lander, and even  its not completely autonomous(sp?)
How about this design ideas
One very long vehicle that streaches from  LA to LV?
a humongus sphere (large enough to roll over any obstacle/crevace that guides 
itself towards a homing beakon?
Some how I think bobs estimate is a bit low... Just making a vehicle that can 
travel that much distance w/out refueling will be a task, and remeber its a 
race!
On a side note... I have a 1985 Dodge Aries I was planning on selling cheap 
(just to get some cash) If anybody comes up with a really good idea requiring 
a 1985 Dodge Aries we could use it! (note Ideas must come before I sell 
it)

Jamie


On Thursday 05 December 2002 08:10 pm, Beaker (aka Jeff W) wrote:
:  http://www.darpa.mil/iao/
:
: while checking out the above link I thought I'd see what was on the main
: DARPA page and found this:
:
: http://www.darpa.mil/grandchallenge/index.htm
:
: The cash prize is a cool million (taxpayer?) dollars!
:
: ~beaker
:
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