[eug-lug]Associating Files

2003-12-27 Thread nyal
Greetings All,

I'm trying to figure out how to associate certain file types with certain 
apps...like Kuickshow with .jpgs and XMMS with .pls files.  I know it can't 
be that hard, I'm just not looking in the right place.  If anyone knows of a 
site that explains how I'd be mucho appreciative.
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[eug-lug]Ignore My Last Post If You Want

2003-12-27 Thread nyal
Greetings and Hallucinations all,

Big dummy me did some poking around and found Edit File TypeIt's 
always better to answer your own Q's, some people call it learning!

Now I've got to figure out why my sig isn't working in KMailit shows as 
being a .txt fileshould it be a .sig?  Dunno, gots to explore some 
more!

Nyal R. Cammack
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Re: [eug-lug]Associating Files

2003-12-27 Thread T. Joseph Carter
On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 06:03:25AM -0800, nyal wrote:
 Greetings All,
 
 I'm trying to figure out how to associate certain file types with certain 
 apps...like Kuickshow with .jpgs and XMMS with .pls files.  I know it can't 
 be that hard, I'm just not looking in the right place.  If anyone knows of a 
 site that explains how I'd be mucho appreciative.

For what?  You think this is integrated?  The beauty of X11 is that you
must configure each and every little thing seperately and not necessarily
in a sane or logical manner.  Gnome has one place.  KDE another.  XFCE
another.  ROX yet another.  GNUStep still another.  Mozilla has its own,
and then there's the generic MIME associations, a square wheel used by
oldschool applications which do not use the newer (but still square)
wheels created by KDE, Gnome, ad nausiem.

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Re: [eug-lug]Associating Files...A Reply to T.

2003-12-27 Thread nyal
Dang T, gimme a chance to grab an extinguisher!!!  I'm NEW to Linux so I don't 
know it all yetand if you read my second post you'll see I figured out 
what I wanted to do all by myself!  I've gotten some excellent suggestions 
from the list and hopefully I'll get more as I continue this journey off the 
beaten path.
Nyal  R. Cammack

Want to visit my neighborhood?  http://www.mytrailerpark.com


On Saturday 27 December 2003 12:05 pm, T. Joseph Carter wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 06:03:25AM -0800, nyal wrote:
  Greetings All,
 
  I'm trying to figure out how to associate certain file types with certain
  apps...like Kuickshow with .jpgs and XMMS with .pls files.  I know it
  can't be that hard, I'm just not looking in the right place.  If anyone
  knows of a site that explains how I'd be mucho appreciative.

 For what?  You think this is integrated?  The beauty of X11 is that you
 must configure each and every little thing seperately and not necessarily
 in a sane or logical manner.  Gnome has one place.  KDE another.  XFCE
 another.  ROX yet another.  GNUStep still another.  Mozilla has its own,
 and then there's the generic MIME associations, a square wheel used by
 oldschool applications which do not use the newer (but still square)
 wheels created by KDE, Gnome, ad nausiem.

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Re: [eug-lug]multimedia puzzle...

2003-12-27 Thread Ben Barrett
I can suggest ncftp for a very good CLI FTP client.

AVI is a wrapper, AFAIK, for a wide variety of stuff.  Even for divx, there
are multiple versions.  There are some alternative media players for 'bloze
on sites such as cnet's download.com ... best wishes for a media-filled new
year!

cheers,

   Ben


On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:19:58 -0800 (PST)
Mr O [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

| Most likely your avi are divx. Get your codecs.
| I use scp, nfs, or smb between my boxes.
| 
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Re: [eug-lug]Associating Files...A Reply to T.

2003-12-27 Thread T. Joseph Carter
On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 12:32:47PM -0800, nyal wrote:
 Dang T, gimme a chance to grab an extinguisher!!!  I'm NEW to Linux so I don't 
 know it all yetand if you read my second post you'll see I figured out 
 what I wanted to do all by myself!  I've gotten some excellent suggestions 
 from the list and hopefully I'll get more as I continue this journey off the 
 beaten path.

Sorry if I came across as more disgruntled than I intended.  Somehow my
answer that more information was needed to answer your question got itself
intermingled with a rant on how complex it is to do such a very simple
thing in Linux because everyone and their dog has a standard way of
doing it which is incompatible with everyone else's standard.

Just keep in mind that most of us aren't psychic when asking your
questions.  Last time I checked, John Edward was not a lug nut.  But then
again, I'm convinced I'm more psychic than he is (for that matter, so are
my sister's dog and the pizzabox sitting in the dumpster behind my dorm
building..)  But that's another rant.  ;)

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Re: [eug-lug]multimedia puzzle...

2003-12-27 Thread T. Joseph Carter
On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 01:06:44PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote:
 I can suggest ncftp for a very good CLI FTP client.

lftp is also rather nice, but it is not always perfect (it doesn't show
the MOTD for example..)


 AVI is a wrapper, AFAIK, for a wide variety of stuff.  Even for divx, there
 are multiple versions.  There are some alternative media players for 'bloze
 on sites such as cnet's download.com ... best wishes for a media-filled new
 year!

AVI files are actually RIFF files given the AVI extension so you know that
they contain video.  RIFF is also used by WAV files, with the WAV
extension meaning that the files contain PCM sound data with no or
lossless compression.

Apple's equivalent to RIFF is called moov.  The name of moov is taken from
its first tag which holds the header information which identifies the
file's contents.  Both come from the Amiga IFF file format, which is
described by many Amiga fans as binary XML.  I do not know what the R
stands for in RIFF, but RIFF is a little-endian format.  The Amiga and mac
both are big-endian.  The structure of the file, regardless of whose
version you're using, is as sequential blocks prefixed by a block size and
type.  I believe the size is a 32 bit number.  The type is four bytes and
is intended to be ASCII for some measure of sanity when viewed in a hex
editor.  ie, moov being the QuickTime format used originally for QT movies
only, the identifier makes perfect sense.

A little more useless/random information, file(1) indicates that WAV files
are RIFF WAVE.  You guessed it, WAVE is the name of the block which
contains the header information telling you that the file is PCM data,
what rate, how many channels, etc.


Caveat 1: Whether the block name or size comes first, I can't remember off
the top of my head.

Caveat 2: Given how much uses the moov format these days, I have to
wonder if I'm not mistaken about its origins with QuickTime.

Caveat 3: I'm not sure if moov is in fact just Amiga IFF and the only
thing special about it is the signature tag.

Caveat 4: In order for IFF to be binary XML, one must see nesting.
Indeed, there is nesting, but not as much as you find with XML.  At some
point in the file, you wind up with one or more huge bloxks of data in
some format specified either by the header or the name of the tag itself.

Vaveat 5: There are too many caveats in this bit of useless information.

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Re: [eug-lug]multimedia puzzle...

2003-12-27 Thread T. Joseph Carter
On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 04:47:05PM -0800, T. Joseph Carter wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 01:06:44PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote:
  I can suggest ncftp for a very good CLI FTP client.
 
 lftp is also rather nice, but it is not always perfect (it doesn't show
 the MOTD for example..)
 
 
  AVI is a wrapper, AFAIK, for a wide variety of stuff.  Even for divx, there
  are multiple versions.  There are some alternative media players for 'bloze
  on sites such as cnet's download.com ... best wishes for a media-filled new
  year!
 
 AVI files are actually RIFF files given the AVI extension so you know that
 they contain video.  RIFF is also used by WAV files, with the WAV
 extension meaning that the files contain PCM sound data with no or
 lossless compression.
 
 Apple's equivalent to RIFF is called moov.  The name of moov is taken from
 its first tag which holds the header information which identifies the
 file's contents.  Both come from the Amiga IFF file format, which is
 described by many Amiga fans as binary XML.  I do not know what the R
 stands for in RIFF, but RIFF is a little-endian format.  The Amiga and mac
 both are big-endian.  The structure of the file, regardless of whose
 version you're using, is as sequential blocks prefixed by a block size and
 type.  I believe the size is a 32 bit number.  The type is four bytes and
 is intended to be ASCII for some measure of sanity when viewed in a hex
 editor.  ie, moov being the QuickTime format used originally for QT movies
 only, the identifier makes perfect sense.
 
 A little more useless/random information, file(1) indicates that WAV files
 are RIFF WAVE.  You guessed it, WAVE is the name of the block which
 contains the header information telling you that the file is PCM data,
 what rate, how many channels, etc.
 
 
 Caveat 1: Whether the block name or size comes first, I can't remember off
 the top of my head.
 
 Caveat 2: Given how much uses the moov format these days, I have to
 wonder if I'm not mistaken about its origins with QuickTime.
 
 Caveat 3: I'm not sure if moov is in fact just Amiga IFF and the only
 thing special about it is the signature tag.
 
 Caveat 4: In order for IFF to be binary XML, one must see nesting.
 Indeed, there is nesting, but not as much as you find with XML.  At some
 point in the file, you wind up with one or more huge bloxks of data in
 some format specified either by the header or the name of the tag itself.
 
 Vaveat 5: There are too many caveats in this bit of useless information.

@Knghtbrd LordHavoc: moov is basically IFF isn't it?
@LordHavoc Knghtbrd: similar overall but not quite
@LordHavoc Knghtbrd: 4 byte size, 8 byte name, then the data
@LordHavoc Knghtbrd: IFF is 4 byte name, then 4 byte size, then the data
@LordHavoc Knghtbrd: (same as RIFF and AIFF)
@LordHavoc Knghtbrd: differences between IFF, RIFF, and AIFF are in name
 restrictions (IFF requires all names be uppercase, for
 example, RIFF and AIFF do not impose that restriction, and
 RIFF is little endian where as the other two are big endian)
@LordHavoc Knghtbrd: and in completeness (IFF is a larger spec than RIFF
 and AIFF which do not support things like archives, catalogs,
 and certain other special constructs)
@LordHavoc Knghtbrd: and of course in who runs the registration body
@LordHavoc Knghtbrd: (all formats are supposed to be registered)

moov begins with those four letters.  After that is a Uint32 size, char
name[8], and data.  Nesting of tags is doable only because Apple has
decided that it wants to do that - the data is a binary black box as far
as the format is concerned.  Interesting is that AIFC files on the mac are
not in AIFF format, but actually moov format.

That's enough useless information for one day.  ;)
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