Re: [Eug-lug]still dead
Scott, your message doesn't really provide specifics regarding the problem(s) ((I was at the Rocky Horror Show on Thu, so I can only guess)) When I see to reboot and load from the Win95 CDROM, but it didn't take. I would ask: - does the BIOS recognize the CDROM ? - can you boot from a Win95/98 floppy disk containing some CD drivers on it, and config.sys and autoexec.bat installing the driver ? - did the MasterBootRecord on the hard drive get messed up? If so, boot from Win95/98 floppy; change to C: ; issue command 'fdisk /MBR' (w/o 'quotes', also assuming the boot floppy sets the path so A:\[optional DIR\]FDISK.EXE can be reached) -- the option '/MBR' is not really documented by Micro$oft, so how to clearly specify target C: is a bit of a guess. Using Norton/Midnight Commander you'll find some hidden 'documentation' in the binary FDISK.EXE : */MBR and /CMBR cannot both be specified. /MBR only operates on drive 1, use /CMBR for other drives. -You must specify a drive number with /CMBR. Horst -- maybe trying a new installation on Halloween simply isn't a good idea ? ~~ On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Scott MacWilliams wrote: Hello LUGgers, Thanks again for all your help Thursday night. But... My computer is still not responding to CPR. I followed the steps to reboot and load from the Win95 CDROM, but it didn't take. I'll have to go back and get a more detailed description of what it said, but I haven't had a chance to get to it yet. THanks, Scott MacWilliams ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[Eug-lug]Re: Tomorrow's meeting
Since I can't come tonight(usually Thu. is fine) here is some feedback: * I like the format suggestion, and the topics suggested by Ralph and Cory. I am not sure if Ralph's email made it from herding to EugLUG ? * Days. We tried before to find a common denominator -- w/o luck. Maybe we alternate days so no one gets excluded all the time. Mo-Th works most the time for me Wkends I am often out in the woods (boating/skiing) My 5c.. Horst On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Bob Miller wrote: I'd like to propose that we do some organizationalizing at tomorrow's (Thursday's) meeting. The regular meeting will start at 6:30 as usual, and the organizational discussion will start at 7:00. Here's what I have on my mind. Format. I propose that we have a presentation/panel/demo one Thursday night each month, and clinics on all other Thursdays. But I'm open to alternatives. Presentations/panels/demos. What topics would we like, and who will volunteer? (BTW, I've contacted a few of you today, and we have some presenters willing to try it.) Web site. We need a webmaster who will take it over from Rob. (Not me!) Publicity. How can we be more visible? How can we attract new folks? Be there or be disorganized. If you can't make it tomorrow night, please send me comments via email or reply to this message. -- Bob Miller Kbob kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Eug-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [Eug-lug]solution to python puzzle
Adding a feature (static data) to a language that doesn't really support
it may alway be a bit of hack (unfortunately, python doesn't have neither
static nor private qualifiers )-:
Wasn't one problem to keep the global namespace clean, and to prevent the
garbage collector from cleaning up the 'static' data of interest? From
other mesages (python list) I concluded Bob's function of interest, using
those 'static' data, relates to module random. So why not adding this all
to module random's namespace?
A) setattr(random, 'pubData', [0]) creates 'semi-static' data, but that's
not interesting because it's very public.
B) a class seems to me always the way to go when both, data and methods,
are tied together. (how would you acces n in your C example if you later
on like to add another function using n ?)
C) the persistance of n[] in Bobs original function(n=[0]) may be not
documented, but seems to be intentional and not a compiler bug as
indicated by random.count.func_defaults below. (that was a question in an
earlier message)
It survived all the abuse I could think of: re-definition, module reload,
garbage collector.
Maybe someone (Sean Reifschneider?) can comment on how safe this really
is.
- Horst
So below is my version of 'ugliness', w/o requiring module __future__.
Most of the code is just for demo purposes - the essential code segments
are mentioned above.
###
import random # module to be extended
import gc # to look at garbage
class Counter: # the standard approach
def __init__(self):
self.__count = 0
def count(self):
self.__count += 1
return self.__count
def test():
print random.count() from test(): , random.count()
random.counter.count() # silently increment
if __name__ == '__main__':
# add semi-static, public data to random's name space:
setattr(random, 'pubData', [0])
# add protected counter to random's name space;
setattr(random, 'counter', Counter())
# add func() to random's name space:
def func(n=[0]): # does not have to be inline
get fancy here with unique start or allow set/reset
n[0] += 1
return n[0]
setattr(random, 'count', func)
def func(): print redefined func() #overwrite previous
func()
print in main - random.count: , random.count()
test()
print - garbage collection - bad items: , gc.collect()
reload(random)
print ... and again: ,
test()
print same for random.counter.count(), random.counter.count()
print \n Now attributes of random.count: \n, dir(random.count)
#print random.count.__doc__
print - random.count.func_defaults: , random.count.func_defaults
###
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Bob Miller wrote:
Those of you who were at the clinic last night know that I
was asking for help on a weird limitation of Python.
The problem: Consider the function, foo(), in this C program.
#include stdio.h
int foo()
{
static int n = 0;
return ++n;
}
main()
{
int n1 = foo();
int n2 = foo();
printf(%d %d\n, n1, n2);
return 0;
}
It keeps state around between calls, but does not have extra names in
any nonlocal namespaces.
How would you write a function in Python that does the same?
(Note, I don't want a solution that only returns successive numbers.
I might use this to return successive lines of a file or calculate
successive permutations of a sequence or whatever.)
The solution: For some reason, this apparently simple problem doesn't
have any good solutions (that I'm aware of). Here's the best I can
do.
def foo():
n = [0]
def bar():
n[0] += 1
return n[0]
return bar
foo = foo()
That reuses the single global name, foo. First, foo holds a function
that returns the function we need. Then we set foo to the returned
function. The original function is not accessible, AFAIK.
--
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[EUG-LUG:2705] Re: Defunct (zombies)
I experienced zombies on a system that had too many requests (httpd, mysqld, and then analog, i.e the disaster happened at 4 am) for too little memory (the system swapped itself to death). To understand what was going on I ran a cron job at every 15 min that logged: a) date (for time stamp) b) w(for cpu load (1,5,15 min average) c) pstree -l -n (for compact view) d) ps -Afl (for the details) (e) top (?forgot switch for 1 event?) - but top from non-konsole jobs (cron and at) didn't work on older distros(couldn't get default terminal info for non-existing terminal). top also shows zombies in the header. I noticed the zombies are all 'sh' , some with pretty close PID - that's a hint. Good lueck ... Horst. ~~ On Thu, 23 May 2002, Bob Crandell wrote: Hi, I have a server with a growing number of these: 20344 ?Z 0:00 [sh defunct] 20354 ?Z 0:00 [sh defunct] 20355 ?Z 0:00 [sh defunct] 20363 ?Z 0:00 [sh defunct] How do I get rid if them? How do I find out what's causing them? -- Bob Crandell Assured Computing When you need to be sure. Cell 541-914-3985 FAX 240-371-7237 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.assuredcomp.com Eugene, Or. 97402
[EUG-LUG:1990] Re: More on shell scripts.
Being on digest my example is probably late. At any rate, as an example here is something I use for automated DB reports via email. Breaking down the process into the SQL-commands(.sql file) the shell script (below) , and the cron process allows me to modify and test each component, or parameter within a component w/o affecting the rest. The CAP sequences, like 'X' of course, are just blanks. Any critique is welcome ... Horst. #!/bin/bash # report members that came through specific door during the last N days. # files/processes involved: # crontab(root) m h * * * /root/cron/bin/door9-rpt.sh # $sql-cmds, $sql-rpt - see below # things to customize: sql_target='-h localhost -u U -pXX' sql_cmds='/root/cron/bin/door9-rpt.sql' sql_rpt='/root/cron/log/door9-rpt.txt' send_to=' [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' send_cc=' -c [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' ##send_bcc=' -b user@domain ' # find members according sql_cmds : mysql $sql_target $sql_cmds $sql_rpt # Here we would edit the report # send_to|cc|bcc __see-above__ cat $sql_rpt | mail $send_to $send_cc $send_bcc -s ; $(date) On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Bob Crandell wrote: mysql -u root -p mysql create database phpgroupware ; mysql grant all on phpgroupware.* to phpgroupware@localhost identified by 'password'; mysql quit These are the lines to create a database and set a password. How would I put this in a shell script? I want it to run unattended, at least, almost unattended. Thanks -- Bob Crandell Assured Computing When you need to be sure. Cell 541-914-3985 FAX 240-371-7237 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.assuredcomp.com
[EUG-LUG:1953] Question on selecting files
Garl, not the final script, just some related ideas.
In case you don't just want to move those old files, but rather archive
and/or compress them the tar program may come handy -- it takes care of
DIR structure and compression.
# substitute 'somePath' with relative or absolute path.
# make a file list:
find somePaths -name '*' -mtime -10 -exec ls {} older10d.ls \;
# tar it up and compress:
tar -czf optPath/older10d.tgz -C older10d.ls
# remove those files:
find somePaths -name '*' -mtime -10 -exec rm {} \;
### Note, the timestamp of involved DIRs got changed after this -
### - i.e. just repeating the commands may mean something different now.
### do some cleanup (older10d.ls ...)
### check 'man tar' for other options
This is not a clippaste script, rather a pseudo code idea --however,
(briefly) tested on a real tempDir of my system.
Good luck .. Horst, onDigest
On Monday 11 March 2002 18:50, Grigsby, Garl wrote:
I have a question on a shell script I am trying to piece together
(and it must be a shell script. I am trying to find time to learn
Perl, but at this point it looks to me like a cat walked across a
keyboard). I need to go through a directory and move any file
older than 10 days. How do I go about this? I know that I can get the
date from 'ls -l', but I don't know how to use this in a comparison?
I know that I could probably come up with a really (really) ugly set
of logic statements, but there has got to be an easier way. Anybody
want to share their thoughts/ideas? Please?
A start would be with the find command. To find all files in your home
directory modified within the last 10 days and do an ls -l on them:
find ~ -mtime +10 -exec ls -l {} \;
The +10 is for more than 10 days (-10 would be for less than 10
days), the {} will be replaced by each file found. The escaped ;
ends the parameter list to find.
Change the ls -l to whatever command you like. However, moving files
in subdirectories to corresponding target subdirectories will take a
bit of finesse. You may want to use a function that parses the file
name and makes non-existant subdirs before doing the move.
I bet someone here has a really clever way of doing that. ;)
[EUG-LUG:1251] http and telnet trafic on loopback -- and portsentry logs
What is this ??? I(root on mdk 8.1) am getting tons of error messages in my mailbox about localhost trying to talk to localhost on port 23 and 80. My portsentry.ignored contains IP of loopback and eth0(to not block those), and I can ping both from 'inside', but not from outside (which is OK). Ethereal, just looking at 'lo', also shows that traffic on port 23, 80 (don't know how to export as text --.libpcap format attached) So, is this normal traffic? --and if so, what is it for?? --and how can I reduce the scope of logging??? Any hints ? I am clueless )-: I'll may be able to make it later tonight to the meeting . Horst. ROOT'S MAIL: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 24 18:08:14 2002 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:15:20 -0800 From: root [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ALERT servers/telnet: localhost (Thu Jan 24 07:15:20) Summary output: localhost Group : servers Service : telnet Time noticed : Thu Jan 24 07:15:20 2002 Secs until next alert : Members : localhost Detailed text (if any) follows: --- localhost: problem connecting to localhost, port 23: Connection refused ## A FEW LINES OUT OF 100KB MESSAGES TWICE A DAY TO ROOT: Jan 24 02:25:20 horix mon[1742]: failure for servers telnet 1011867920 localhos$Jan 24 02:26:59 horix mon[1742]: failure for servers http 1011868019 localhost Jan 24 02:30:59 horix mon[1742]: failure for servers http 1011868259 localhost Jan 24 02:34:59 horix mon[1742]: failure for servers http 1011868499 localhost Jan 24 02:35:20 horix mon[1742]: failure for servers telnet 1011868520 localhos$Jan 24 02:38:59 horix mon[1742]: failure for servers http 1011868739 localhost Jan 24 02:42:59 horix mon[1742]: failure for servers http 1011868979 localhost Jan 24 02:45:20 horix mon[1742]: failure for servers telnet 1011869120 localhos$ http-telnet_on-lo.libpcap Description: Binary data
[EUG-LUG:544] Re: Shells vs. Programming Languages
Am I unique in thinking that shells are very good for some things but are not that great as programming languages... Larry, you are not unique, but pretty lonely... To make you feel less lonely, and not the only, I like to share my appreciation for python for such tasks. Maybe at one of those non-clinics Thursdays interested folks could get together to talk about the 'beautiful gift of python' ? - Horst As a foodnote: though there are a few developpers on this list a grep -ci on the recent 1.5MB of my Eug-LUG archives gave 55 matches for 'shell', 95 matches for 'script' and 0(zero) for any variation of 'object oriented'... -but that would be probably another list... On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, larry a price wrote: I've noticed a certain amount of bashing of shells on this list, and I'm wondering. Am I unique in thinking that shells are very good for some things but are not that great as programming languages... I know that for me if a shell script grows longer than a couple of lines or gets to involve anything much more complex than a grep I start looking at it in terms of how could I do this in Python. True, if I were looking at widely distributing a piece of software and it needed a startup script I would go through the hurt of /bin/sh and figuring out the old-school way of doing things. but in my day to day life the shell is an interface, not a programming language... and while it's necessary for it to be a programming language it's optimized to be an interface. http://www.efn.org/~laprice( Community, Cooperation, Consensus http://www.opn.org ( Openness to serendipity, make mistakes http://www.efn.org/~laprice/poems ( but learn from them.(carpe fructus ludi) http://allie.office.efn.org/phpwiki/index.php?OregonPublicNetworking
[EUG-LUG:237] Re: ppp0 - eth0 conflict? //Re: RE: Cannafuel
Bob, thanks for explaining in detail WHAT is going on before suggesting HOW to fix it! 'route' seems to reveal the problem -- I have 3 clips attached (plus 2 from 'routetrace'). Interestingly, while pppd is running, a restart of eth0 shows: RTNETLINK answers: File exists My kppp 2.4.1 was set to its defaults: * default gateway, and * assign default route to this gateway When I began to educate myself about how to add/del entries in the routing table, I realized that the modem user has to be root in order to do this (not very elegant - running a cron job as root every minute to check things isn't that elegant either) ... so I'll sleep over it unless you have a straight forward suggestion ... Horst. AT BOOT: Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 00 eth0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 00 lo 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth0 STARTING PPP BEFORE KILLING ETH0: Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 206.163.184.195 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 ppp0 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 00 eth0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 00 lo 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth0 (the failing routetrace clip follows below) RE-STARTING ETH0 WHILE PPP IS WORKING: Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 206.163.184.193 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 ppp0 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 00 eth0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 00 lo 0.0.0.0 206.163.184.193 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 ppp0 (currently I don't have another box on my (non-existing)LAN to check if eth0 is really working) Since you asked for routetrace, while not working: 1 192.168.1.11 2997.988 ms !H 2999.786 ms !H 2999.924 ms !H and with a working connection: 1 206.163.184.193 137.643 ms 129.836 ms 129.904 ms 2 206.163.184.222 129.897 ms 129.941 ms 131.053 ms 3 206.163.183.229 130.869 ms 127.891 ms 129.974 ms 4 157.238.26.161 129.896 ms 140.073 ms 129.771 ms 5 129.250.55.117 170.058 ms 149.834 ms 159.950 ms 6 129.250.30.145 189.935 ms 169.899 ms 149.913 ms 7 129.250.3.37 159.997 ms 160.124 ms 139.687 ms 8 129.250.9.58 169.927 ms 169.998 ms 199.837 ms 9 144.232.6.118 159.998 ms 139.878 ms 139.941 ms 10 160.81.36.90 142.231 ms 147.606 ms 150.078 ms 11 207.189.191.9 159.768 ms 159.930 ms 160.000 ms 12 207.189.137.45 179.888 ms 159.963 ms 169.909 ms ### On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Bob Miller wrote: Horst Lueck wrote: QUESTION: Which process/conf-file is responsible for directing a request for an external connection to ppp0, while, lets say 'ping 192.168.1.xxx' goes through eth0 ? (I have tried subnet mask 255.255.255.0 and 255.255.0.0) Hi, Horst. Whenver the kernel has an outgoing IP packet to send, it looks in its routing table. You can view the routing table type by typing /sbin/route -n. Here's what it shows on my workstation. Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 192.168.0.4 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 eth0 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 00 lo 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth0 That's not very interesting, because my workstation only has one network interface, eth0. When I send a packet, the kernel looks for the routing table that best matches the packet's destination address and sends the packet through the listed interface to the listed gateway, or directly to the destination if there is no gateway. The line with Destination 0.0.0.0 and Genmask 0.0.0.0 is known as the Default Route. Whenever a packet doesn't match any of the other routing table entries, it is sent through the Default Route. In my routing table above, the Default Route is the last line. If I sent a packet to 207.189.137.45, the only match would be the default route, and the packet would be sent through eth0 to the gateway, 192.168.0.1. If I sent a packet to 192.168.0.44, the best match would be the third line (Destination = 192.168.0.0, Genmask = 255.255.255.0), so the packet would be sent directly to 192.168.0.44 through eth0. If you look at your routing table while your PPP link is up, I think you'll see that the default route (destination 0.0.0.0, Genmask 0.0.0.0) points through eth0 to some gateway on the 192.168.0.X
[EUG-LUG:251] Re: ppp0 - eth0 conflict? //Re: RE: Cannafuel
Bob, that was a good lead. However, ifcfg-eth0 was not the file that contained the gateway default; a recursive grep through the entire /etc/ listed about 5 or 6 files using 'that' IP (not counting the linuxconf archives). It almost looked like draknet and linuxconf duplicated efforts to manage the default gateway. (this maybe an aspect that's interesting to others) I am not too happy seeing Mandrake substituting many Linux standard tools with drake-specific ones. I took a pragmatic approach and let linuxconf remove the default route, and it worked! - Horst. ~~~ On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Bob Miller wrote: ... If I remember our discussion at the Tech Brewpub, your ethernet is not connected to any other networks when the PPP connection is down. Is that correct? YES If it is correct, then you should not have a default route through your ethernet. To remove the default route, edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and comment out the line that says, GATEWAY=192.168.0.1. ...
[EUG-LUG:217] ppp0 - eth0 conflict? //Re: RE: Cannafuel
I was just going through yesterday's digest, and appologize for sending a Linux related question :-( PROBLEM: When connected through kppp (Mandrake 8.1, external modem) I am not able to reach any external address except the remote IP of my ISP dialup -- reason: all other requests use the IP of my local eth0 as return (192.168.1.11) Everything works fine if I 'ifdown eth0' before dialing and 'ifup eth0' after I have connected. Really! -- please consider that in your response. QUESTION: Which process/conf-file is responsible for directing a request for an external connection to ppp0, while, lets say 'ping 192.168.1.xxx' goes through eth0 ? (I have tried subnet mask 255.255.255.0 and 255.255.0.0) ADDITIONAL INFO: - For the problem it doesn't matter if I ping a domain name, a clear IP, or an IP I have alias'd in my /etc/hosts (see ping report) - ping report follows - ifconfig status follows - kppp negotiates with my ISP and temp. modifies resolve.conf (see below) - I had that problem a couple of weeks ago ... but it 'magically' went away after I had changed my local eth0 IP to a slightly different number ... now it came 'mysteriously' back after I added a new user and use kppp as such. Hopefully that's enough info (right kbob? - you suggested to post this) - Horst. ifconfig: = eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 52:54:05:F7:4D:A9 inet addr:192.168.1.11 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.0.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:853 TX packets:0 errors:594 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:1188 collisions:10098 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:58494 (57.1 Kb) Interrupt:10 Base address:0xd000 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:841 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:841 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:170711 (166.7 Kb) TX bytes:170711 (166.7 Kb) ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:206.163.180.22 P-t-P:206.163.184.193 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:32 errors:2 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:29 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes:2326 (2.2 Kb) TX bytes:2187 (2.1 Kb) ping to ISP's dialup, and to another machine in that domain: == PING 206.163.184.193 (206.163.184.193) from 206.163.180.22 : 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 206.163.184.193: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=132.563 msec 64 bytes from 206.163.184.193: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=129.976 msec 64 bytes from 206.163.184.193: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=129.981 msec 64 bytes from 206.163.184.193: icmp_seq=3 ttl=255 time=129.995 msec --- 206.163.184.193 ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/mdev = 129.976/130.628/132.563/1.201 ms PING myefn (206.163.176.5) from 192.168.1.11 : 56(84) bytes of data. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] (192.168.1.11): Destination Host Unreachable From [EMAIL PROTECTED] (192.168.1.11): Destination Host Unreachable From [EMAIL PROTECTED] (192.168.1.11): Destination Host Unreachable --- myefn ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, +3 errors, 100% packet loss resolve.conf (while connected): domain efn.org #kppp temp entry search localnet efn.org # ppp temp entry nameserver 192.168.37.186 # ppp temp entry nameserver 128.223.32.35 # ppp temp entry nameserver 192.168.37.186 #kppp temp entry nameserver 128.223.32.35#kppp temp entry ### the end of the story ##
[EUG-LUG:3407] Re: html // SSI
YES, SSIs. You can do much more than just including text. Here is a clip of one of my .shtml files (note the file extension!). As another advantage, visitors who view your HTML source won't see the underlying filenames, just the rendered HTML code assuming drwx--x--x for~/public_html/ - Horst. !-- having uniform headers, footer, colors,... on all subpages that can be edited at one place: -- !--#include file=ccc_header.html -- ... !-- time format for the following SSIs: -- !--#config timefmt=[%d-%b-%Y]-- ... XYZ-filename, updated: !--#flastmod file=most_recent_posting.txt-- ~~~ On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Seth Cohn wrote: Server Side Includes will do it. so will PHP, perl, etc... but the simplest will be SSI. http://www.google.com/search?q=server+side+includes --- Bob Crandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How Do I I want to display the contents of a text file on a web page. I only have html to work with. Right now, it opens a new page it display it. Not good. I want to do something like: The quick brown fox insert text here over the lazy dog. Maybe assign the contents to a variable? The quick brown fox $variable over the lazy dog. Thanks to those who are smarter than I. The other Bob. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
[EUG-LUG:2646] Re: Current Projects info // python
On Sun, 2 Sep 2001, larry a price wrote: ... snipped I'm thinking about putting together a python class aimed at bussinesspersons and not-for-profit organizations that will focus on giving people enough programming knowledge to solve their own problems. Basically the sort of person we would call super-users in the windows world. If you have any suggestions of application areas i should focus on please let me know. Larry -- good idea, I like to talk about that on Thu. I come from a C++, Java background and started playing with python a couple of months ago and really enjoy the short learning curve. As for suggestions I can envision sorting/reporting features: e.g. my first self-assignment was a module that filters/combines/extracts email addresses from a selection of text files, showing unique and duplicate addresses, or a diff of addresses between a master file and various text files. I manage two listproc lists, with update requests originating from different sources (DB, email address books, and email messages from different accounts) -- w/o any automated script it was a nightmare to do that manually. That may be too much for a beginners class but learning how to process files, with reporting sorting is something useful to start with. Also, the (largely) platform independence of python is a selling point! - Horst (I am on digest, so for quick response use my address in addition)
[EUG-LUG:2370] Re: tomsrtbt (fwd)
Christopher, I haven't experienced anything like that that. I have been using an earlier(which_?) tomsrtbt and tomsrtbt-1_7_185_dos.zip more recently to trouble shoot Win stuff, sometimes just downloading and expanding it onto the machines I needed to work on. With questions about tomsrtbt its important to give the version# since he seems to upgrade all the time .. Horst. On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Christopher Maujean wrote: Anyone have any luck booting to toms, mounting an external ext2 fs and unpack.s ing the disk image to it? I found a left over 128meg swap partition on my wifes win98 laptop, and reformatted it as an ext2 partition. but I get all kinds of screwy disk errors when I unpack my toms disk to it. no problem unpacking the .raw from the latest distro. hmmm. -- Christopher Maujean IT Director Premierelink Communications www.premierelink.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] PLEASE encrypt all sensitive information using the following: GnuPG: 0x5DE74D38 Fingerprint: 91D4 09FE 18D0 27C1 A857 0E45 F8A4 7858 5DE7 4D38 http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x5DE74D38
[EUG-LUG:2190] NIC: TX errors (ifconfig) -- and what it means?
I have two cards that gives me trouble about twice a week (they hang) on a RH 6.1 installation; ifconfig shows for eth1: TX packets:1961416 errors:4631 dropped:0 overruns:2 carrier:0 the relevant dmesg clip and the full ifconfig is at the bottom. The first question is could the TX error indicate a faulty card? One card can be reset with: ifdown eth1; ifup eth1 The other requires S10network reload Swapping CAT5 cables and slots in Netgear switchbox didn't un-lock a locked card (too early to tell if this had a log-term effect). Taking CAT5 cables in and out while pinging another local machine did not necessarily add another TX error (see above) but one of the funny cards did eventually lock during that test and then it did increment the TX errors (my guess is that different network layers have their own logging and recovery mechanisms) Two of the three machines have their eth0 on global IP addresses, and eth1 via Netgear switch box on a local network; 3rd machine has only local IP. It is odd that the problems only appear on the local cards !? Has anybody experienced that a switch box can confuse or even damage a NIC ? Unfortunately, the downtime has to be kept at a minimum - so just swapping NICs, rebooting, etc ... should be seen as last resort and justified by some diagnosis first. Thanks for any feedback . Horst. (P.S. I liked Ralph's clip yesterday letting Linus himself expanding on his NIC preferences) ~~~ DMESG 2: tulip.c:v0.91g-ppc 7/16/99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] eth0: Lite-On 82c168 PNIC rev 32 at 0xe800, 00:A0:CC:D3:C1:E7, IRQ 10. eth0: MII transceiver #1 config 3000 status 7829 advertising 01e1. eth1: Lite-On 82c168 PNIC rev 32 at 0xe400, 00:A0:CC:D3:FC:DF, IRQ 5. eth1: MII transceiver #1 config 3000 status 7829 advertising 01e1. eth1: Setting full-duplex based on MII#1 link partner capability of 41e1. DMESG 2: eth0: DC21143 at 0x9000 (PCI bus 0, device 11), h/w address 00:48:54:80:00:ee, and requires IRQ10 (provided by PCI BIOS). de4x5.c:V0.544 1999/5/8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3c59x.c:v0.99H 11/17/98 Donald Becker http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/vortex.html eth1: 3Com 3c905B Cyclone 100baseTx at 0x9400, 00:50:da:1f:1d:3d, IRQ 9 8K byte-wide RAM 5:3 Rx:Tx split, autoselect/Autonegotiate interface. MII transceiver found at address 24, status 7849. MII transceiver found at address 0, status 7849. Enabling bus-master transmits and whole-frame receives. ~~ IFCONFIG: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:A0:CC:D3:C1:E7 inet addr:xxx.xxx.xxx.108 Bcast:xxx.xxx.xxx.111 Mask:255.255.255.248 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:12418814 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:17719884 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:295789 txqueuelen:100 Interrupt:10 Base address:0xe800 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:A0:CC:D3:FC:DF inet addr:192.168.1.55 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:2045925 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:1961416 errors:4631 dropped:0 overruns:2 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 Interrupt:5 Base address:0xe400 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3924 Metric:1 RX packets:11977918 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:11977918 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
[EUG-LUG:1599] Q: transplanting entire installations
OVERVIEW: I am dealing with a combination of 3 servers (1 Web server, 1 NS, 1 DB server, all RH 6.x); they have something like 10 GB hard drives. Another box is sitting in the corner that should become a backup in case one of the three fails (a manual swap, though not ideal, would be acceptable for the extreme case). NFS is disabled, but ftp works (the person who did the installation vanished...) This is a production system where downtime should be minimal and scheduled. Footnote: my background is more in developing applications rather than system programming or administration (so please, be nice and not too much 'slang') APPROACH: Foremost - I don't want to change any of the three installations (RAID, etc.) because if something breaks there I am screwed! Instead - Get two 30 GB HDs with many partitions and prepare for multi- boots into any of the three services (I could have a 4th, small installation running to handle a remote request for changing LILO to what is needed for a soft swap) Now the QUESTIONs: A) Does my approach sound feasible ? B) How to 'transplant' ? 1) Given the minimumDowntime/keepingCurrent conditions, opening the boxes, installing the extra HD and dd'ing the partitions should be avoided, if possible. 2) Is tar able to handle the more delicate things, like symbolic links, device driver (pointers?) in /dev/ , if let's say /boot=hda1 is now hdb6 (assuming I did massage the fstab of each installation). I played around a bit by using fd0 as a target and things looked OK at the surface. If so I would tar up things - ftp to the backup - untar into a new partition of similar size. 3) What else needs work, in addition to lilo and fstab to make a 'transplant' work ? C) All 3+1 boxes have only basic devices that should be recognized at boot. However, if there are fundamental differences in the motherboard I would not know how to predict the outcome. The series of options regarding that issue may be the subject of another thread ... ... instead, I am now leaving for the TechBrew at the WildDuck and hope to see you all there so you don't have to email me :-( - Horst
Turbolinux WS 6.0, installation, 1st impressions.
Paul, thanks for sending us the evaluation CDs. ELUG: I tested the workstation version last night on a system that is already configured with 2 linux installations and a small DOS 6.22 partition. So I had only limited space and tried the minimal installation first(ca. 170MB). The installation interface is cleanlean (mo|or leanclean), no fluffy stuff, mostly white on black and only color when needed. I liked that part. Another good thing is that you can choose from half a dozen kernel version (from 386 to '686) -- very nice :) [just to clarify some e-chat earlier on that subject] At the end you are explicitly presented with the option of installing lilo on a floppy disk - which eased my mind since I was doing this all to a functional workstation. At that point I would like to see the option of creating a bootdisk too (just in case the kernel on the HD gets shot). Sure, you can do that all manually but for the beginner it would be a nice option. - [did you hear me Paul?] I had not much time and chances to do more testing (just using the minimal installation). So I ran gpm and minicom and noticed that the symbolic links for /dev/mouse and /dev/modem are 'missing' -- which can be both, good or bad (just another aspect of being leanclean). In that context I am wondering why none of the distributions contains a little script that probes all your serial ports and assigns the correct one to mouse and modem? (on my machine they are mostly wrong after a fresh installation) - [did you hear me Paul?] So much at the moment -- it would be nice to see at least as many factual email messages on the mailing list about actually evaluating Turbolinux as we had talk about getting it here. - Horst.
Re: EUG-LUG Web Team?
Rob, I think your suggestion of having a Web Team, as opposed to having a single Web master has its advantages (just consider the Web master gets an 80k$ offer for a position in Beaverton that needs to be filled ASAP). Of course, such an arrangement requires some guidelines or guidance(unless you enjoy chaos). This, in turn, would give YOU the opportunity to develop some sort of team leadership experience! (if you wish so?). I have built and maintained the Web page for our local canoe club (http://www.efn.org/~canoe) and know how much 'grunt work' can be involved in keeping a site up-to-date and being the e-mail dispatcher at the same time. I would be happy to put in my share of time by joining the EugLUG WebTeam (my experience at the canoe Web site was somewhat limited to our club members' background and needs: a mid-50s group, just discovering the Web, partially even using Web-TV ... so including some SSI with some minimal .sgi was as much as I could make work across our clients' platforms.) - Horst. ~~~ On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Rob Hudson wrote: Hi all, In Jan 1999, I volunteered to maintain the web pages for EUG-LUG. It's been a great learning experience, and I think the experience of working on the site helped me find my present job doing web development at IMS (http://eugene.net). If anyone is interested, I'd like to pass on the opportunity that was given to me, and give someone else a chance to gain experience in maintaining the web site. I certainly don't mind keeping it up, and enjoy it. I'd like to keep working on the CGI scripts that help run the site. So maybe a Web Team would be a good thing to initiate. If anyone is interested, let me know. -Rob. -- - Rob Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Developer Visit the EUGLUG homepage at http://eugene-linux.cyber-dyne.com -
Re: Copies of flyer -- costs ???
On Fri, 4 Feb 2000, Smith, Mike wrote: Went to a little copy shop outside of the Uni. Made 62 duplex copies for $5. One of the guys in the shop is --suprise-- a linux user. At any rate, Hi -- do we have some sort of club funds to finance little things like that? - I don't think those members who are most active should also carry most odf the costs. Unless there is a system (that im not aware of), we could start a donation box at our meetings ... like the 'Carma Jar' at the Espresso place Horst.
Job at ORCAS
Nice to see Linux as the central theme in a job offer now also in Eugene! I would have been interested in this position myself, but I am short of a number of skills requested -- nevertheless I would be curious to get some feedback if you interview for that position Horst. --- clip: Computer Systems Support Set-up and in-depth support of Linux servers, secondary support of 10/100 LAN and clients (WinNT, 95, 98, Mac). Must have excellent Linux skills, and experience in supporting WinNT/95/98 on TCP/IP LAN. Basic Mac experience highly desirable. Casual yet professional environment (www.orcasinc.com). Please send resume ASAP to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My topics--Was RE: December monthly meeting
On Mon, 20 Dec 1999, Smith, Mike wrote: Pick a topic, something you know a little about, and impress the rest of it with it. I know *a little* about network security, project Echelon, TEMPEST, structure of Information Systems, and other fun things like that. If anybody is interested, I could take the February meeting on ONE of these topics (sorry, they are all too big for 2 hours total). ... I would be VERY interested in learning ((more)) about network security ! - Horst.
suse 6.3 tonight?
Last minute call: could anyone bring a SuSE 6.3 CD tonight for an installation on my box? I just tried to get my copy at Borders (but there was none on the shelf) - Horst.
