Greetings

2001-01-12 Thread Howarth Thomas R NPRI


Hello,

I was searching the web and found Larry Klaes' April 1998 article "Europa
Ocean Explorer Project" in the on-line publication "SpaceViews."  This is an
area of much interest to me and one in which I might be able offer technical
assistance.

I have just recently moved into the position of Senior Technologist at the
Naval Undersea Warfare Center in Newport, RI after 9 years at the Naval
Research Laboratory.  My interests are in the design and development of
prototype acoustic transducers and devices with a particular interest in
developing new devices for small underwater autonomous vehicles.

My interest in Eurpoa is that it is my belief that it will be necessary to
characterize any future underwater exploration with simple sound speed
measurements and determinations.  This could be done with probes or on ocean
explorers or possibly a combination thereof.  As list members are likely
aware, the US Navy has a keen interest in exploring ALL oceans and Europa
should be included within that interest.

Please let me know if there is an avenue that we can contribute with this
exploration.  I look forward to reading about some of the factual plans as
well as some of the conceptual views of how this resource might be explored.

Tom Howarth

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Re: Greetings

2001-01-12 Thread JHByrne


Welcome aboard, Tom.  This is more than just a Europa site; it's also sort of 
a 'Star Wars Bar' for various technophiles and astronomers.  It works out 
something like an online issue of 'Science'.  I'd be interested to hear a lot 
more about the acoustical probe concept, as it may be the way that a 
practical Europa probe will have to function, rather than physically drilling 
through the ice there.

-- JHB
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RE: Greetings

2001-01-12 Thread Schmidt Mickey Civ 50 TS/CC


Welcome aboard Thomas Howarth I for one look forward to your contributions
to this group.

Mickey Schmidt
USAF Academy

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Re: Golden Disasters

2001-01-12 Thread JHByrne


In a message dated 1/12/2001 9:44:11 AM Alaskan Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 For Russia this number is somewhat higher -- including a lot of ground =
  support and scientific personnel killed during preflight testing. Launch =
  pad explosions wiped out a lot of their brainpower, and is a significan =
  factor behind our reaching the moon first. =20
  
Wow.  Can you imagine, such a tightly knit little group as theirs must have 
been, reeling under the loss of their members, yet still 'expected' to 
produce significant gains for the Motherland...

Imagine, for instance, if we all logged on to the Europa group one day, and 
found out that 1/3 of the members normally here had all died when their 
keyboards discombobulated.

-- JHB
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Re: Golden Disasters

2001-01-12 Thread JHByrne


In a message dated 1/12/2001 10:18:06 AM Alaskan Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 What mission are you referring to that says NASA is going to land on Europa
  in 2010?  Has something been scheduled?
  
  Tom

Tom... it's a sly Jeremy Blaeschke reference to 'Odessey 2', a sequel to the 
Arthur C. Clarke Novel / Movie '2001: a Space Odessey'.  

In Odyssey 2, the Americans and Russians are racing to get to Europa first, 
when the Chinese steal the show by sending a one-way lander to Europa, hoping 
to refuel with water once they actually get there.  Along the way, however, 
they have a mishap with some of the local fauna...

-- JHb
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Re: RED MOON available on Amazon

2001-01-12 Thread Palladium
In a message dated 1/11/01 7:32:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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David S. Michaels:

I'd have sent you this email directly, but all I have is a palladium email 
address.

That book, Red Moon, sounds amazing. I'll get a copy, as the concept alone 
blows my mind. How much is true?

I didn't know you were a fan of ancient history. Care to compare notes 
sometime? Herodotus forward is my purview... yours?

-- JHB


Thanks for the interest. RED MOON is a mix of fact and fiction-- the details 
of the Solviet lunar orbital and landing programs more or less follow actual 
events, up to the catastrophic explosion of the N-1 moon rocket on January 3, 
1969 (carrying a payload that has never been fully devulged and the subject 
of much dispute). From then on, it's entirely speculative fiction with 
the proviso that nothing is truly imopossible given the circumstances (in 
fact FPSpacer Mark Wade helped me design a one-way moon mission for Luna 15 / 
Firebird that WOULD work, given the state of technology back then).

Up until recently, I made my living selling ancient coins and artifacts, so 
Classical history is another passion of mine. I rather prefer Polybius, 
Suetonius and Ammianus to Herodotus (but I've been accused of being more 
Roman than Greek in any case). Love to compare notes sometime!

DS Michaels


The Case of the Missing Mars Water

2001-01-12 Thread Larry Klaes


Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:01:07 -0600
Subject: The Case of the Missing Mars Water
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NASA Science News for January 5, 2001

Plenty of clues suggest that liquid water once flowed on Mars --raising 
hopes that life could have arisen there-- but the evidence remains 
inconclusive and sometimes contradictory.

FULL STORY at

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast05jan_1.htm?list86654
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