Re: [EuroPython] Next irc meeting
On Dec 9, 2004, at 3:06 PM, Laura Creighton wrote: In a message of Thu, 09 Dec 2004 15:42:12 +0100, Jean-Marc Orliaguet writes: Laura Creighton wrote: Hi, Thursday is not OK (there is a Christmas dinner). But Friday 17 (17.30 for instance) should be fine - otherwise the week after maybe? I can in any way post a link to a demo site until then. /JM Friday is not going to work for Jacob nor me. But it will be great to see the demo site. Ok, what times are good the week after? Laura -- busy 1400-1600 Monday, but who thinks is flexible all the rest. I'm flexible all week. --Paul ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Scheduling call for papers and acceptance of talks
On Feb 24, 2005, at 9:53 AM, Chris Withers wrote: Heimo Laukkanen wrote: Talk acceptance: - require the actual presentation to be submitted ( we've been very flexible with this previously ) Why is this a requirement? During the Plone Con in Vienna, I noticed lots of people sitting outside. I asked a few what were the reasons. The main one was, they liked to socialize. :^) However, some folks also seemed disappointed with the quality of some presentations. I'm interested in ways to address. One choice is, as we've suggested, ask people to prepare in advance. Benefits: people don't throw something together at the last minute, we attract people that are naturally more prepared, and we have time to interact via a review process. This is pretty well understood, for anyone that has done a refereed paper. Downsides: as Harald noted, we might scare off people that are good presenters, presentation material isn't nearly as important as the speaker (they should be minimal, in fact), and it increases the work on Paul/Heimo. If anybody has some better suggestions on how we can improve the presentation quality, let us know. Equally, if people feel that improving the quality isn't a needed goal, speak up on that too. > This is just to make sure that people don't feel too comfortable on > what they already know and try to scrap up the presentations an hour > before the presentation. This doesn't feel too valid to me. I didn't experience this with any of the presentations given last year, do other people feel that this was a problem? I have 2 issues with it: 1. Often the most appropriate time to write talks is the 8-10 hrs it takes to commute to the conference. We plan to reserve huge chunks of time, perhaps each afternoon after the break, for lightning talks. Personally, I think it is unfair to the 90 people in the audience that paid good money to travel, to suffer through someone that waited 8-10 hours in advance to work on their presentation. In some cases, the speaker can pull it off. In many cases, the presentation could have used some refinement and practice. Thus, give some arguments from the point of view of the 80, not the 1. How can we make this better for the audience? 2. Events often overtake things that are written months before. We work in a particularly dynamic environment, requiring a presentation to be set in stone months before the conference seems like putting an artificial block on how relevent a presentation is... We *have* to choose the presentations in advance. We can't wait until the last moment to choose presentations. Last year, we were asked to move up the deadline so chosen speakers could book tickets at a lower fare. In some cases, the speakers have to get their organizations to book the tickets and that takes a while. Quite obviously, we can't make an informed choice on a presentation with a title and 50 word description, unless we know the person. That becomes unfair to the new people who haven't presented. --Paul ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Scheduling call for papers and acceptance of talks
I totally agree with you, that presentation material is overrated and should be subservient to the presenter. And yes, this fact is mostly missed by terrified speakers that recite their bulleted lists to the audience. :^) Still, we need *some* kind of metric on which to base talk selection. Your recipe below works when the speaker is good. Not all speakers are good. We could ask people, in their talk proposals, to indicate whether or not they are good speakers, but I don't think that will help. :^) Again, should we try to improve the quality? If there isn't a strong opinion that this needs attention, Heimo and I will drop it. If it is worth looking into, though, how can we achieve it? --Paul On Feb 24, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Harald Armin Massa wrote: Let me second Chris, This is just to make sure that people don't feel too comfortable on what they already know and try to scrap up the presentations an hour before the presentation. This doesn't feel too valid to me. I didn't experience this with any of the presentations given last year, do other people feel that this was a problem? Just to give some date: I did two presentations on Europython 2004. "Quixote. Pythonic. Web" and "Selling Pyhtoneers" "Selling Pyhtoneers" was more than 2 hours; the slides were created on the two evenings before. At least 30% of "Selling Pythoneers" was created on the fly in response to the participants. I remember that physically small and mentally more than great Zope guy, he did a presentation with well prepared slides which he did not really use - his presentation was exceptionally joyfull because he presented with the people and not for the sake of slides. Jesus did not have Powerpoint(TM) at all, and still people are talking about his preaching on the mountains. Mark Shuttleworth had some funny and some impressive slides; the earth from above and him in cosmonautic gear was great - BUT: I am more than sure if he did the same presentation without beamer at a fireplace, the reduction in joy would be no more than .3% I for myself would rather forbid people to use slides than force them to deploy them early. We use a language without static typing; why should we force people to use static presentations? (shameless plug: I offer consulting for presentation techniques, better call it "presentation mindset") Harald -- GHUM Harald Massa - holistic presentation methods -. Harald Armin Massa Reinsburgstraße 202b 70197 Stuttgart 0173/9409607 ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
[EuroPython] Is the talk database wedged?
I received two reports, one last week and one this weekend, that people can't submit talks for EPC2005. Anybody know anything about this? Also, I'd like to propose an IRC meeting this week for the track chairs and conference organizers. Anybody interested? --Paul ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
[EuroPython] Q: Link to review submitted talks
Hi all. This is a question for the admin of the talk registration db. What is the URL for track chairs to review the submitted proposals and arrange them into a schedule? --Paul ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
[EuroPython] Q: Push back early bird?
Hi all. This says: http://www.europython.org/sections/registration_issues/ registration_informa that early bird ends today, and this: http://www.europython.org/sections/accomodation/special_accomodation ...implies that tomorrow is the last day for getting the SGS Veckobostäder dorm-style rooms as part of registration. Unfortunately, my guess is that less than 100% of track chairs have published their speaker selections. :^) Thus, people don't know whether to register for the speaker rate or the attendee rate. Until we have confirmation from track chairs, can we extend the early bird a bit, perhaps end-of-this-week? --Paul ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
[EuroPython] Q: Are we having a BBQ on Sunday, June 26?
Hi all. Bea, Aiste, and I had talked about getting together a BBQ Sunday evening. I believe someone was going to as SKS if they had any facilities available for this. Has anyone contacted them? If not, I will do so. If you are interested in a BBQ, send me a private note. --Paul ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
[EuroPython] BBQ on Sunday evening
Thanks to Laura, we have a place for the BBQ. I added the following text: """ We are planning a BBQ Sunday evening at the SGS Veckobostäder. This is an informal affair, with the target time of 7PM. However, people might gather beforehand. If you are interested, please email Aiste Kesminaite (aiste at pov dot it) or Paul Everitt (paul at zope-europe dot org) and tell us what time you plan to arrive. """ ...to the wiki page at: http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2005 As we make more plans, we'll update this list and that page. --Paul ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] BBQ on Sunday evening
On Jun 22, 2005, at 1:49 PM, Gintautas Miliauskas wrote: > Hello, > > >> ... please email Aiste Kesminaite (aiste at pov dot it) >> > > The domain should be pov.lt (Lithuania), not pov.it (Italy). Yikes, that's quite a typo! Thanks for noticing, just fixed the page. --Paul ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Errors and missing (or hard to find) information on the website
Also I don't think there is an explanation on the sprint location.
I'll try to do it myself before I leave for the airport, but probably
will run out of time.
Note: the sprint is in Matematiska vetenskaper (86). If you are
looking at the map on the Chalmers site, the auditorium is near the
bottom, and the sprint building is below it on the left:
http://www.chalmers.se/GIF/CTH_karta.gif
Thanks to Jean-Marc and Dario for sending me the info.
--Paul
On Jun 22, 2005, at 3:06 PM, Stefane Fermigier wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm preparing to leave for Goteborg tomorrow morning and I was
> checking some information on the website I wanted to print in advance.
>
> But I didn't find a map of Goteborg (there is a link to a map on
> the city wep site, but the link is dead). Did some webchecking and
> got the errors below.
>
> I wanted also to print the conference schedule (using the plain
> HTML pages) and noticed that the pages don't print well on mozilla
> (you only get the first and last lines). It seems OK in Firefox
> though.
>
> S.
>
> Final Report (544 total, 0 to do, 544 done, 10 bad)
>
> Error Report:
>
> 2 Errors in http://www.europython.org/sections/accomodation/
> cheap_hotels
> HREF http://www.hotelflora.nu
> msg [Errno socket error] (-3, 'Temporary failure in name
> resolution')
> HREF http://www.liseberg.se/barkenviking/
> msg ('http error', 404, 'Not Found')
>
> 2 Errors in http://www.europython.org/sections/accomodation/
> cheap_hotels/view
> HREF http://www.hotelflora.nu
> msg [Errno socket error] (-3, 'Temporary failure in name
> resolution')
> HREF http://www.liseberg.se/barkenviking/
> msg ('http error', 404, 'Not Found')
>
> 2 Errors in http://www.europython.org/sections/accomodation/
> cheap_hotels/view?pp=1
> HREF http://www.hotelflora.nu
> msg [Errno socket error] (-3, 'Temporary failure in name
> resolution')
> HREF http://www.liseberg.se/barkenviking/
> msg ('http error', 404, 'Not Found')
>
> 2 Errors in http://www.europython.org/sections/accomodation/
> cheap_hotels?pp=1
> HREF http://www.hotelflora.nu
> msg [Errno socket error] (-3, 'Temporary failure in name
> resolution')
> HREF http://www.liseberg.se/barkenviking/
> msg ('http error', 404, 'Not Found')
>
> 2 Errors in http://www.europython.org/sections/accomodation/
> expensive_hotels
> HREF http://www.europython.org/sections/accomodation/
> expensive_hotels/accomodation_html (accomodation_html)
> msg ('http error', 404, 'Not Found')
> HREF http://www.radissson.com
> msg [Errno socket error] (-2, 'Name or service not known')
>
> Error in http://www.europython.org/sections/accomodation/
> expensive_hotels/view
> HREF http://www.radissson.com
> msg [Errno socket error] (-2, 'Name or service not known')
>
> Error in http://www.europython.org/sections/accomodation/
> expensive_hotels/view?pp=1
> HREF http://www.radissson.com
> msg [Errno socket error] (-2, 'Name or service not known')
>
> Error in http://www.europython.org/sections/accomodation/
> expensive_hotels?pp=1
> HREF http://www.radissson.com
> msg [Errno socket error] (-2, 'Name or service not known')
>
> 2 Errors in http://www.europython.org/sections/accomodation/
> medium_price_hotels
> HREF http://www.hotelposedon.se
> msg [Errno socket error] (-2, 'Name or service not known')
> HREF http://www.liseberg.se/hlh/
> msg ('http error', 404, 'Not Found')
>
> 2 Errors in http://www.europython.org/sections/accomodation/
> medium_price_hotels/view
> HREF http://www.hotelposedon.se
> msg [Errno socket error] (-2, 'Name or service not known')
> HREF http://www.liseberg.se/hlh/
> msg ('http error', 404, 'Not Found')
>
> 2 Errors in http://www.europython.org/sections/accomodation/
> medium_price_hotels/view?pp=1
> HREF http://www.hotelposedon.se
> msg [Errno socket error] (-2, 'Name or service not known')
> HREF http://www.liseberg.se/hlh/
> msg ('http error', 404, 'Not Found')
>
> 2 Errors in http://www.europython.org/sections/accomodation/
> medium_price_hotels?pp=1
> HREF http://www.hotelposedon.se
> msg [Errno socket error] (-2, 'Name or service not known')
> HREF http://www.liseberg.se/hlh/
> msg ('http error', 404, 'Not Found')
>
> Error in http://www.europython.org/sections/accomodation/youth_hostels
> HREF http://www.liseberg.se/camping/index.asp
> msg ('http error', 404, 'Not Found')
>
> Error in http://www.europython.org/sections/accomodation/
> youth_hostels/view
> HREF http://www.liseberg.se/camping/index.asp
> msg ('http error', 404, 'Not Found')
>
> Error in http://www.europython.org/sections/accomodation/
> youth_hostels/view?pp=1
> HREF http://www.liseberg.se/camping/index.asp
> msg ('http error', 404, 'Not Found')
>
> Error in http://www.europython.org/sections/accomodation/
> youth_hostels?pp=1
> HREF http://www.liseberg.se/camping/index.asp
> msg ('http error', 404, 'Not
Re: [EuroPython] Conference photos available?
FWIW, I saw that there's already a tag on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrtopf/tags/ep2005/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrtopf/tags/europython/ --Paul On Jul 2, 2005, at 10:29 AM, Beatrice Fontaine wrote: > Hello all! > > If everybody learned as much and had as much fun at Europython as I > did > this year, I think we'll be 500 participants next year and CERN will > burst at the seams. > > Has anyone already uploaded pictures anywhere? There were a number of > people running around with cameras. It would be nice to have a best-of > on the conference website. > > See you all in Switzerland > > bea > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > "I will, as we say in rock 'n' roll, run until the wheels come off, > because I love what I do." -- David Crosby > > ___ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Europython 2005 aftermath
Hear hear. I don't think many of us realize how incredibly hard Jacob worked, in order that we could show up and have fun. Thanks, Jacob, for the extensive summary this week with the kind words for others. --Paul On Jul 7, 2005, at 12:12 AM, Fasih Rehman wrote: > Hello Jacob, > > Thanks for putting together a wonderful conference this year. I had an > excellent time, got to meet other people from the community as well > yourself and the other folks from Strakt. All the best see you next > year at CERN. > > Fasih > > On 7/6/05, Jacob Hallén <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Dear Europython attendee, >> >> thank you very much for your help in making Europython 2005 >> a success. The number of really interesting talks was higher >> than ever before, and the arrangements worked about as >> smoothly as can be expected. It was a lot of fun for us to >> have you in Göteborg! >> >> REGISTRATION WEBSITE >> >> The web interface to the registration system has been improved, >> and there >> is a main page for accessing all the functionality. This is >> available at http://www.python-in-business.org/ep2005/. >> It will later be linked to the Europython website, but due to time >> constraints this may take a while. >> >> If you were a speaker; keynote, regular or lightning; please don't >> forget to upload your materials so that others can access them. If >> you did a lightning talk, you first need to register the talk. When >> that is done, you can upload materials. >> >> If you want to download materials, use the main page mentioned above. >> This is the only way to access the lightning talks. >> >> EUROPYTHON 2006 >> >> Next Europython is planned to happen at CERN, near Geneva in >> Switzerland. The planned dates are Monday 3 July to Wednesday 5 July >> 2006. Sprints are planned for 30 June to 2 July and 6 July to 9 >> July. We will most likely be able to arrange a tour of the facilities >> for active volunteers and the earliest registrants. We will continue >> to send updates to the address that this one is sent to, unless you >> ask us to stop. If you have non-attendee friends who are interested, >> please ask them to subscribe to europython-announce@python.org, to >> get >> the same information. >> >> VOLUNTEERING >> >> We had a very nice kickoff meeting for planning the next >> conference right >> after the end of EP2005. This is promising, but we still need to find >> more people who are willing to take on a small part of the work load. >> We need new track chairs for several tracks and a bunch of people to >> help out with several aspects of the preparations for the conference. >> More than 90% of the work is before the conference starts. Subscribe >> to the mailing list europython@python.org to get involved with the >> arrangments. This is a very low volume mailing list most of the time. >> Even if you are not active in the arrangements you are welcome to >> lurk >> and see what is going on behind the scenes. >> >> REGISTRATION SYSTEM >> >> The web interface to the registration system is my first major web >> application ever. I think it is pretty decent, and most of you seem >> happy with it according to the feedback forms. I plan to improve it >> for next year, and I would like to have feedback on how you think I >> could improve things. I would also like to have some volunteer >> testers >> to test my changes. This would entail spending something like 15-30 >> minutes on trying out things a few times over the next 6 months. >> Send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to respond to either of these >> requests. >> >> SPECIAL THANKS >> >> I would like to thanks all our sponsors: >> Wing, gocept, Pragma 2000, Chalmers, Strakt, Aixtraware, Amaze, >> Webwitches, Clocksoft, Reportlab, and the Python Software Foundation >> >> The track chairs get a collective thanks for keeping the tracks >> running >> so smoothly, and to all the speakers, without whom Europython >> would be >> very boring. >> >> Thanks also go to the staff at Chalmers Restaurang, SGS and Elite >> Park Hotel, who have all been very helpful and service minded. The >> Strakt staff who manned the reception did so very professionally. >> >> Personal thanks go to Vincent for T-shirt design, Dario for handling >> Chalmers contacts, Jean-Marc for the website, Bea, Paul, Harald and >> John for their wisdom in the IRC meetings and their moral support, >> John for the feedback forms as well, Paul and Aistë for the barbeque, >> Anders for solving the Nevow riddles, Ronny for turning a batch >> oriented registration system into something that did smooth on-site >> processing, Mikael for his directions information, Fredrik for the >> technical setup, Joachim for the credit card interfacing and Laura >> for >> her handling of accomodation, conference dinner and all sorts of >> personal requests. >> >> I'm sure I have missed someone who deserves a special mention. My >> apologies for that. >> >> See you all at Europython 2006 >> >> Jacob H
Re: [EuroPython] knock, knock!
Hi Michael. I'm in for the Zope track. However, I wonder if it would be better to do this as a general "Web Frameworks" track than just Zope. There's lots of interesting stuff happening in Python these days for web frameworks. Lots of people might benefit from cross-pollination. --Paul On Sep 30, 2005, at 2:47 PM, Michael Hudson wrote: > So, it's been a few months since EuroPython 2005, and I think it's > probably time to start moving -- very slowly, maybe, at this point -- > towards EuroPython 2006. > > I have a vague recollection of volunteering to be program chair, which > means I'm interested in knowing who I can dupe into being a track > chair :) > > I have a less vague recollection of not wanting anything to do with > the website, but would certainly be interested in know who is able to > help with that. In particular, could someone who can put something > like "See you at CERN in 2006!" on the front page of the site? > > But mainly the point of this mail is just to see who's out there and > awake. So: "BOO!" :) > > Cheers, > mwh > > -- > >> Touche! But this confirms you are composed of logic gates. >> > Crud, I thought those were neurons in there. > -- Thomas F. Burdick, Kenny Tilton, comp.lang.lisp > ___ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Pong!
On Oct 28, 2005, at 10:28 AM, Michael Hudson wrote: > Dario Lopez-Kästen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Folks, I think it is time to start making some noise. >> >> May I suggest that we have an IRC meeting soon? >> > > A good idea! > > >> What times suit people best? >> >> We also need to do some marketig - Benedikt, how are the >> announcements >> doing? >> >> I also got very little feedback on the minutes I sent to the list. I >> don't know if that is good or bad. >> >> I myself, would generally prefer around 19.00 CET for meetings, and I >> generally can't on tuesdays, wednesdays and fridays. >> > > Coincidentally, I'm fairly likely to be free on Mondays and Thursdays > too... > > >> If not, I coudl schedule meetings during the day, but then the >> meetings >> would have to be very efficient (which is doable) and not last >> more than >> one hour. And probably no more than once every second week :) >> > > Well, I'm not sure that < 1 hour, only every fortnight are bad things > at this stage :) Me too. --Paul ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] IRC meeting and other organizational fluff
That date is fine for me. Please, though, send reminders a few days in advance. :^) --Paul On Dec 14, 2005, at 6:03 PM, Michael Hudson wrote: > I (and Holger) think it would be a good idea to have an IRC meeting on > #europython early in the new year to talk about next year's > conference. The first suggested time/date is Monday the 9th of > January at 1800 GMT+1, but if no-one else can make this it'll get > moved a bit. Comments? > > I also set up a place holder page on the python.org wiki: > > http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2006 > > with the idea being that this will be the central place to go for > EP2006 organizational information (even if the actual information is > somewhere else, I hoped it's at least linked to from there). > > Cheers, > mwh > > -- > The snakes are optional, as are the electrodes, the molten lead > and the ritual buggering by syphilitic warthogs. > -- Tanuki the Raccoon-dog, asr > ___ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] IRC meeting and other organizational fluff
On Dec 15, 2005, at 3:34 PM, Michael Hudson wrote: > Aiste Kesminaite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> I (and Holger) think it would be a good idea to have an IRC >>> meeting on >>> #europython early in the new year to talk about next year's >>> conference. >> >> +1 >> >>> The first suggested time/date is Monday the 9th of >>> January at 1800 GMT+1, but if no-one else can make this it'll get >>> moved a bit. Comments? >> >> It would be more convenient for me to have it an hour earlier, >> i.e. 1700 >> GMT+1. > > Makes little difference to me. Paul? Benedikt? Holger? Anyone > else? No problem for me. --Paul ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Site europython 2006
Just to emphasize this point, history has shown that only a small number of people, namely the conference organizers, spend any non- negligible time working on *content* for the site. As such, this organizer's group should be free to make any technology choice they want. The idea that "if we had a better tool, people would write more" has proven itself to be wishful thinking. People simply haven't been motivated to write content, IMO, and use the website technology as an excuse for lack of contribution. (I'm as much to blame on this as anybody.) --Paul On Jan 10, 2006, at 12:55 PM, Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > Just for historical concerns... > > On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 06:42:52PM +0100, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: >>> jan 09 17:43:10 dlk we switched from Plone to CPS because no-one >>> was happy with plone. > > or rather, people willing to do the work did not know plone and did > not want to learn. > >>> jan 09 17:43:32 dlk and b fore that we swithced from something >>> else to plone because none was happy with what was avialble then. > > before that it was Zope and people willing to do the work thought it > would be easier with plone. > > -- > Nicolas Chauvat > > logilab.fr - services en informatique avancée et gestion de > connaissances > ___ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] preparations at CERN
On Jan 10, 2006, at 6:43 PM, Michael Hudson wrote: > Aiste Kesminaite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> Tracks and talks: >>> - Should we have a poster session? >> >> I have no strong opinion about that but would lean to the lightning >> talks fulfilling this need. >> >> One more thing related to tracks and talks -- there was a discussion >> about changing track chairing format -- i.e. there was a >> suggestion to >> not have one person who chairs the whole track during the >> conference but >> rather have several people do it so no one would have to spend the >> whole >> conference or most of it just in one track. >> >> Taking care of choosing talks for a particular track prior to the >> conference would still be done by one or a few people responsible for >> that track. >> >> What do people think about this change? > > It makes sense to me. +1 from me also. Track chair does preparation beforehand, track hosts manage presentations the day of the conference. > In other news, I'd like to have an IRC meeting for people considering > being track chairs (in the before-the-conference sense) sometime in > the next couple of weeks. As a strawman, I'd like to propose this > Friday (the 13th) at 1500 GMT (so 1600 for those on the continent). I'll be traveling that day, FWIW. --Paul ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] local organizers update
On Jan 23, 2006, at 5:33 PM, Michael Hudson wrote: > Benedikt Hegner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> My conservative idea for the fees (new/old): >> 50/70 Euro for Speakers (yes. cheaper than our costs per person. >> Otherwise it would be more expensive than last year if you think of >> the lunch.) > > We had absolutely loads of speakers last year, which is fun in some > ways but hurt the bottom line. I think we should feel free to charge > them more (PyCon charges speakers full price, and doesn't seem short > of talks. I'm not sure we should go that far). I agree with your point. Equally, we have some people that put in talk submissions not because they plan to do a good job on their talk, but rather they just want a lower fee. Negative incentive. :^) --Paul ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] #europython minutes 23rd January 2006
On Jan 23, 2006, at 6:19 PM, holger krekel wrote: > * Discussion about "Zope" track > > Paul suggests to go for a "Web Frameworks Track" instead > of limiting it to Zope. He thinks that this should > help to get more cross-pollination going within the > python web framework communities. There would likely > be a quota on Zope talks then. The ideas were welcomed > by the attendees and will likely be followed up > on the mailing list and on the upcoming track chair > meeting. To add some more background on this point, Zope would like to be less of an island in the Python community. I think Zope has much to offer, especially in Zope 3, where interesting parts can be used in isolation. I also think Zope has lots to gain from Python and other Python web frameworks. There's tons of exciting stuff going on in the Python web frameworks space. Finally, I think Python itself is facing strong competition in Python web frameworks. We (the Python web frameworks) should recognize this and work together more to tell a better story. Having a Zope mini-event inside the EuroPython main event has worked well for a number years. I think times have changed, though, and we should all hang out together and listen to what the others have to offer. --Paul ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] #europython minutes 23rd January 2006
Oops... On Jan 23, 2006, at 6:44 PM, Paul Everitt wrote: > > On Jan 23, 2006, at 6:19 PM, holger krekel wrote: > >> * Discussion about "Zope" track >> >> Paul suggests to go for a "Web Frameworks Track" instead >> of limiting it to Zope. He thinks that this should >> help to get more cross-pollination going within the >> python web framework communities. There would likely >> be a quota on Zope talks then. The ideas were welcomed >> by the attendees and will likely be followed up >> on the mailing list and on the upcoming track chair >> meeting. > > To add some more background on this point, Zope would like to be less > of an island in the Python community. I think Zope has much to > offer, especially in Zope 3, where interesting parts can be used in > isolation. I also think Zope has lots to gain from Python and other > Python web frameworks. There's tons of exciting stuff going on in > the Python web frameworks space. > > Finally, I think Python itself is facing strong competition in Python Omit the second "Python". --Paul > web frameworks. We (the Python web frameworks) should recognize this > and work together more to tell a better story. > > Having a Zope mini-event inside the EuroPython main event has worked > well for a number years. I think times have changed, though, and we > should all hang out together and listen to what the others have to > offer. > > --Paul > ___ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] track chair meeting today #europython 1700 central european time
On Jan 31, 2006, at 6:09 PM, Michael Hudson wrote: > (2) How seriously do we want to run tutorials? Charging extra, doing > them on a separate day and splitting the costs with the giver of > the tutorial or just a couple of long-ish talks on the first > morning? If we want to take them seriously, we could do with > finding some energetic person to take care of them. I totally agree. The gap between "I think that's a must-do idea!" and "I volunteer to make it happen" is rather large. :^) IMO, 50% of the tutorial givers approach is as a much-longer presentation. It takes some good oversight to make sure the audience gets its money worth. --Paul ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] irc meeting this afternoon
I will be on travel at that time, unfortunately. --Paul On Feb 7, 2006, at 1:26 PM, Benedikt Hegner wrote: > Yes, next week same time would be okay. > Will there be minutes of the yesterday's meeting? > > Cheers > Benedikt > > On Feb 6, 2006, at 5:41 PM, Michael Hudson wrote: > >> Benedikt Hegner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> unfortunalety I am in another meeting at CERN at the moment. So I >>> can't attend the europython meeting today. I will give you an update >>> during the next meeting. >> >> If the next meeting was in a week's time at 1700 would you be able to >> make that? >> >> Cheers, >> mwh >> >> -- >>> You're already using asyncore so you can't really be worried >>> about complexity . >> (-8 .helps which, demand on backwards work to brain my rewired I've >> -- Jeremy Hylton & Richie >> Hindle > > ___ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Registration and other issues
On Apr 23, 2006, at 4:49 PM, Aiste Kesminaite wrote: > > > Michael Hudson wrote: >> I think it would be a good idea. Next Tuesday or next Thursday are >> good for me. How about others? > > Tuesday is fine, Thursday afternoon I'm not available. Same for me. --Paul ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] help needed!
On May 14, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Benedikt Hegner wrote: > I think Paul Everitt mentioned that he can take care of the PR. Paul I had previously volunteered to help Holger. I can help someone else, but I'm not planning to manage PR. --Paul ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] help needed!
I will get together with Godefroid to spam the Zope, Plone, and other Python web framework communities. --Paul On May 14, 2006, at 10:37 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: > 2006/5/14, Paul Everitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> I can help someone else, but I'm not planning to manage PR. > > The same goes for me. What is expected in term of PR ? > > Some ideas of possible todos: > > 1/ writing of articles / info about the next EP conference ? the > previous EP conferences ? > 2/ communication to python / zope related mailing lists and sites ? > 3/ communication to Geneva and other local newspapers / TVs / radio > stations ? > (by the way, could the PR department of CERN help or not ? If not, > could it only help us by providing such lists and contact informations > ? And could we have its coordonates : name of people working there, > telephone, email addresses ) > 4/ invitation of local authorities ? (by the way, have any official of > CERN been officially invited, maybe to do some introduction or closing > speech). If yes, who ? If not, who could/should we invite ? > 5/ contact with local LUGs (Linux users groups) who could help ? (as > any such contact been already taken ? GULL in Geneva at > www.linux-gull.ch/portail.html > > By the way, I don't know if the information is known on this list, but > the Canton de Genève has been released fo Windows / GNU/linux and > Macs, is available freely on the web from > http://etat.geneve.ch/getax/04/art.jsp?id=6512 and has been sent to > all taxpayers aroud Geneva on a cdrom that also contained Mozilla > *and* OpenOffice. This was a very active action made by a public > authority favouring free software. They just considered that there was > some free space on the cdrom and decided to add free software ... but > no propriatary software ! > > I (npettiaux) volunteer for 5 and some other actions together with > other people ... provided we can work that subject together on the > wiki ... where I actually started : see > http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2006PR > > Regards, > > Nicolas > -- > Nicolas Pettiaux - email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
[EuroPython] Mechanisms for organizing the tracks
Hi all. Godefroid and I are making progress on organizing the web frameworks track. Some questions: 1) The Indico system shows the timetable: http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceTimeTable.py?confId=44 a. Is this authoritative? b. Does the web frameworks track one of the three parallel sessions for all 3 days, or does it share time with others? (Basically we're trying to figure out how many slots to fill.) c. Does it matter how we break up each 1.5 hour slot? 2) Next, for actually assigning talks to dates and times (as people already want to know what day they will get): a. Does Indico have a facility for managing this? b. If not, and Godefroid and I produce our own talk->slot results, how/where do we publish that? My apologies if this has been covered before! --Paul ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Mechanisms for organizing the tracks
Thanks for the fast answers! We'll stick to the 30-30-30 or 60-30 slots as you've described. --Paul On May 18, 2006, at 10:51 AM, Michael Hudson wrote: > Paul Everitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Hi all. Godefroid and I are making progress on organizing the web >> frameworks track. Some questions: >> >> 1) The Indico system shows the timetable: >> >>http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceTimeTable.py?confId=44 >> >> a. Is this authoritative? > > No. > >> b. Does the web frameworks track one of the three parallel sessions >> for all 3 days, or does it share time with others? (Basically we're >> trying to figure out how many slots to fill.) > > This is usually the result of a ding-dong between the various track > chairs after the submission deadline... hoy many slots can you fill? > :) > >> c. Does it matter how we break up each 1.5 hour slot? > > Well, we usually aim for 30-30-30 splits or 60-30 splits and not 45-45 > splits > >> 2) Next, for actually assigning talks to dates and times (as people >> already want to know what day they will get): >> >> a. Does Indico have a facility for managing this? > > Yes, but I don't know if you have to be a manager to see/use it. > >> b. If not, and Godefroid and I produce our own talk->slot results, >> how/where do we publish that? > > Email to me? > >> My apologies if this has been covered before! > > No, we need to start sorting this out! > > Cheers, > mwh > > -- > BUGS Never use this function. This function modifies its first > argument. The identity of the delimiting character is > lost. This function cannot be used on constant strings. > -- the glibc manpage for strtok(3) > ___ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] May not be able to attend todays meeting...
I believe you're correct. Also, I will be traveling at that time so I won't make it. --Paul On May 22, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Andreas Pfeiffer wrote: > Hi Dario and all, > > hmm ... my calender claims this weeks meeting will be _tomorrow_ > (Tue, May 23) at 1700 (CEST) ... did I miss something ? > > cheers, andreas > > On May 22, 2006, at 8:18 AM, Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: > >> hi, >> >> it is very likely that i will not be able to atend today's >> meeting; my >> normal means of transportation is at home with a non-functioning >> brake, >> so I am forced to take the bus, which means that I will 100% not be >> able >> to make it home in time for the meeting. >> >> I will still move forward with the sponsorship tasks, we have one >> sponsor that I will invoice today and another that has expressed >> interest in exhibiting. >> >> I will send out letters today and tomorrow to the companies that we >> have >> had contact with previously, and will report back to the list. >> >> The sponsorship page needs minor updating, that I will try to finish >> during the day today. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> /dario >> >> -- >> -- >> --- >> Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of >> Tech. >> Lyrics applied to programming & application design: >> "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. >> marley >> >> ___ >> EuroPython mailing list >> EuroPython@python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > ___ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] To all Track Chairs
I'm not sure we can really accept talks at this point: 1) There are still more days left before the deadline. 2) We don't yet know how many slots to fill. --Paul On May 22, 2006, at 12:45 PM, Harald Armin Massa wrote: > A humble requerst to all track chairs, > > to have a look at their "manage my track" within indico; to reject > spams and delete them, and also to accept talks they really want. > > I think it would be fair towards the speakers; and helpfull to > acquiring more participants (as of today are 55) > > without even our press relase written (*wink*) or distributed ... > > Harald > > -- > GHUM Harald Massa > persuadere et programmare > Harald Armin Massa > Reinsburgstraße 202b > 70197 Stuttgart > 0173/9409607 > - > PostgreSQL - supported by a community that does not put you on hold > ___ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] Reserving a room at the CERN hostel
On May 22, 2006, at 7:15 PM, Michael Hudson wrote: > Jacob Hallén <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> On Monday 22 May 2006 19:53, Michael Hudson wrote: >>> Steve Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>>> Whoever has the list of people who have checked that box should >>>> email >>>> them and clear this up. >>> >>> FWIW, this is extremely easy to do with Indico. >> >> Talking about emailing, shouldn't there be information emails >> going out to all >> of last years attendees. > > Yes, probably. > >> I can send a list of email addresses to whoever is responsible for >> this form of PR. > > Well, Paul Everitt promised to write a press release I think... Yup, sorry for the delay. I have two speeches in the UK this week. I'll work on it at the hotel this afternoon. Note that people can still spam their networks about the papers deadline. Godefroid did a good job on this last week on the web side. --Paul ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
[EuroPython] INPUT: Draft of press release
Below is a first draft of a press release, with review so far by Benedikt, Harald, and Michael. FYI: Due to an unavoidable scheduling conflict, I won't actually be at EuroPython this year. :^( However, Godefroid and I are making sure that the "track host" role gets covered. On to the text... """ Software developers from around the world will gather July 3-5 in Geneva, Switzerland for EuroPython 2006, the fifth annual conference for the Python programming language . The event is hosted this year at CERN, the birthplace of the Web, and promises an exciting slate of keynotes and talks. "Python keeps growing each year, and EuroPython keeps getting better as well," says Benedikt Hegner, host and one of the lead organizers for EuroPython 2006. "This year saw Guido van Rossum, Python's creator, moving to Google with other key Python developers. Hosting EuroPython at CERN is a prestigious step for EuroPython as well. EuroPython 2006 will be keynoted both by Mr. van Rossum as well as Dr. Alan Kay, creator of object-oriented programming and pioneer of graphical computing. The schedule has 3 days of talks in 8 tracks covering agile development, business, teaching, games, an expanded web frameworks track, and more. The organizers have followed the success of earlier years by providing lightning talks, development sprints, and "birds-of-a-feather" gatherings, three attendee- favorites for fast-paced discussion and social networking. For half a decade, EuroPython has established itself as the premier event for Python users and developers in Europe and beyond. The low- cost conference is organized by the Python community, for the Python community. To register for the event, submit a proposal for a talk, or get more information on the conference, please visit the EuroPython website at http://www.europython.org/. """ --Paul ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
Re: [EuroPython] INPUT: Draft of press release
On May 29, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Harald Armin Massa wrote: > I like this press release. I recommend that we juice in our fees and > what is covered by them, because the prices are quite reasonable even > for a community conference of 3 days. > >> the low-cost conference is organized by the Python community, for >> the Python >> community. To register for the event, submit a proposal for a talk, > > That would exchange the "low-cost". > > We also should exchange "submit a proposal for a talk" to nothing, > because at time of distribution of our press release the submitting > time will be over. In a draft I'm about to circulate, I add in the 190 euro advance registration fee. I don't go into further details. I removed the "submit a talk" part. --Paul ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
[EuroPython] Final draft of press release
Based on one public comment and one private comment, here is a last revision of the press release. The distribution folks can take it from here. """ Software developers from around the world will gather July 3-5 in Geneva, Switzerland for EuroPython 2006, the fifth annual conference for the Python programming language . The event is hosted this year at CERN, the birthplace of the Web, and promises an exciting slate of keynotes and talks. "Python keeps growing each year, and EuroPython keeps getting better as well," says Benedikt Hegner, host and one of the lead organizers for EuroPython 2006. "This year saw Guido van Rossum, Python's creator, moving to Google with other key Python developers. Hosting EuroPython at CERN is a prestigious step for EuroPython as well. EuroPython 2006 will be keynoted both by Mr. van Rossum as well as Dr. Alan Kay, an originator of object-oriented programming and pioneer of graphical computing. The schedule has 3 days of talks in 8 tracks covering agile development, business, teaching, games, an expanded web frameworks track, and more. The organizers have followed the success of earlier years by providing lightning talks, development sprints, and "birds-of-a-feather" gatherings, three attendee-favorites for fast-paced discussion and social networking. For half a decade, EuroPython has established itself as the premier event for Python users and developers in Europe and beyond. With a low registration cost of 190 euros, the conference is organized by the Python community, for the Python community. To register for the conference or get more information, please visit the EuroPython website at http://www.europython.org/. """ --Paul ___ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
