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as a sceptic, and also as someone who works 1 min from the demostration site, i
shall be popping down tomorrow lunch to see just what is on "show"
it is still being set up behind black curtains at the moment.
incredibly OT, but i tell you, if their demonstration is undisputable (is that
possible?) then i will let the list know all the world's problems are solved..
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I know some of you can't imagine something like that but whether you
believe it or not, the irish company Steorn which back in august took
out a full page ad in the economist with a white glove slap in the face
of the 'scientific' community, is claiming a 10 day public demonstration
in London of the device starting this week and various reports indicate
that it will be today.
part of me hopes that today we will be able to say 'today we celebrate
our independence day'
Dan
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At 11:49 PM 7/3/2007, Bob Rice wrote:
> Point here, Oh, I'm GETTING to it! Anybody want/need some BB600's,
> like for a bike, scooter? A reasonable load for a Prius, as I would
> deliver on my Portland Pilgrimage in a few daze.Would help defray
> the expences, too.
You really need to post this to the BB600 group as well...
(actually, I'll forward it there.)
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Natural gas or fiber optic pipe is yellow and orange respectively, and would
be a better choice, IMHO.
Joseph H. Strubhar
Web: www.gremcoinc.com
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Subject: RE: High voltage cable protection and color coding
> Steve Peterson wrote:
>
>> You can get orange cpvc which is intended for fire sprinkler systems
>> (sometimes known as "fire pipe" in the plumbing trade). It's easy to
>> work with--just like regular pvc. A good plumbing store can get it for
>> you.
>
> Ah, that's good to know. The conduit I used is the flexible stuff, but
> I was thinking of using a length or two of rigid PVC to carry the
> charger connections from the rear of the car to the engine bay.
>
> I wonder if I might be better off sticking with grey rather than mixing
> colours and confusing someone into thinking that the grey flexible
> conduit is safe to cut through since the orange rigid lengths ~must~ be
> the high voltage ones? ;^> Maybe someone will solve my dilemma by
> advising that the flexible conduit is available in orange also?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Roger.
>
>
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Not to mention, making a blanket statement that "EV's are not suitable for
hill climbing" or other similar statements does not exactly advance our
cause.
I'm not suggesting we ignore any truths, but if overall, that's the case
then maybe we as a group need to design them so they DO climb well instead
of just saying that it can't be done. :)
I know better though. There's a lot of guys out on the Left Coast living in
the mountains and hills. More in fact, than those of us in the flats on the
East coast.
Rich A.
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:53:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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--- peekay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>my own view is that ev's are very suitable for flat
>lands ..
>and very modest climbs (like approaches to fly-overs
>or bridges)
>
>ev's are totally unsuitable for up-hill climbs
>
>..peekay
>
>
Hey Peekay,
Battery powered EVs go up Pike's Peak, tallest
mountain in US (lower 48).
http://www.electrifyingtimes.com/pikes_peak_ER3.html
That is elevation gain of 4700 feet in 12.4 miles.
It can be done. And I think Lee pointed out, most
times you come down those hills, so regen and get some
energy back. Your combustion engine cars cannot do
that. Maybe EVs are better on hills.
Jeff
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I recently contacted a company with interest in motor.
Also is there response. I was wondering if anyone could confirm their
information.
MY INQUIRY:
I was wondering what 24v motor would you recommend.
I'm hoping to find one that can produce 100ft/lbs of torque around
800-2200rpm range.
THEIR RESPONSE
Thanks for your inquiry.
If your parameters are correct, that Motor, at a nomimal speed of 1500 RPM,
would need to develop 28.55 HP, according to my calculations..
At 24 Volts, you'd need 887 Amps of current to achieve that torque.
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Did you have a question or were you just stating the obvious?
FWIW 887 amps assumes the motor is 100% efficient. This doesn't happen
in real life. In real life a 24V motor is probably 80-90% at best, so
your current will actually be 10-25% higher than that.
> I recently contacted a company with interest in motor.
> Also is there response. I was wondering if anyone could confirm their
> information.
>
> MY INQUIRY:
>
> I was wondering what 24v motor would you recommend.
>
> I'm hoping to find one that can produce 100ft/lbs of torque around
> 800-2200rpm range.
>
> THEIR RESPONSE
>
> Thanks for your inquiry.
> If your parameters are correct, that Motor, at a nomimal speed of 1500
> RPM,
> would need to develop 28.55 HP, according to my calculations..
> At 24 Volts, you'd need 887 Amps of current to achieve that torque.
>
>
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I was wanting to make a highlight of Electric Vehicles for others on
www.7change.com
I came up with the 4 categories below and was wondering what cars you might
suggest. I put the ones I was potentially thinking in parenthesis.
Near Unlimited Budget
(Tesla) (Zero)(Lotus/Zap)(The one from Japan with 8 Wheels)
Currently For Sale
(Don't know of any vehicles that someone can go buy now at a dealer.)
Very Budget Minded
(Was hoping for someone home built project)
Non Traditional
(Was thinking of that skinny motorcycle type car)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:30:52 -0700 (PDT)
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Hi Jim,
Forth of July. Had to come into town for a store run
and stopped to check email.
--- Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Lee, Jeff, all
>
> Thought I'd finish some thoughts and throw back into
> the pot 8^)
>
>
> --- Jeff Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
<snip>
> >> Anyway, I'm wondering, would this cause a
> >> field imbalance and if so by what degree?
>
> > Actually, I'd say not.
>
> Now, how is someone like me suppose to get the
> straight dope when you and Lee give me opposing
> answers, LMAO 8^P
Not like the first time we disagree. What are we
goin' to do? Get in there with a gauss meter? And,
were you going to replace the frame on that one? Why
did you have it in the first place? Failure due to
field inbalance? That frame piece must have come off
the end of the pipe stock or something. Should never
have been put into motor production.
> I wrote:
> > > Lastly, The small 6.7" GE motors have a much
> > thinner
> > > housing than their Prestolite or ADC's
> compatable
> > > direct replacement motors which usually amounts
> to
> > a
> > > 10 lbs difference between them, much in housing
> > > weight
> > > reducing them from 55/60 lbs to 45ish.
>
> Jeff wrote:
> > I think the GE motors have a magnetic frame inside
> > that thin shell. Using a laminated pole and
> > magnetic
> > frame punched from one piece of sheet steel. This
> > is
> > why they don't have pole bolts.
>
> No, those aren't the ones I was talking about, those
> are throw away piles of crap 8^o
>
> I was refering to the 48 and 48 series GE's like the
> one I sent to Chip for this years PODC. GE made
> lots
> of replacement motors for Pretolite replacements
> MEE,
> MEA, MSS, MSU, MCP's, lots of them. GE uses square
> wire and what always appeared less field coils but
> their arms were very close bar count, slots, etc.
> Anyway I just wanted to clear up that thin walled GE
> thingy 8^)
>
I'd like to see what you're talking about. Next
chance, send me some photos of the GEs.
Off to the store and maybe fireworks later.
Happy 4th.
Jeff
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first off, a potential carte blanche solution to the battery problem in
an electric car is not off topic
nice that you are that close to kinetica. do you have any pictures of
the preparation? see the people there?
you are welcome to join a few others in #steorn on irc.freenode.net,
would love to hear from someone on the ground
Dan
Lawrie, Robin wrote:
> as a sceptic, and also as someone who works 1 min from the demostration site,
> i shall be popping down tomorrow lunch to see just what is on "show"
>
> it is still being set up behind black curtains at the moment.
>
> incredibly OT, but i tell you, if their demonstration is undisputable (is
> that possible?) then i will let the list know all the world's problems are
> solved..
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Dan Frederiksen
> Sent: Wed 04/07/2007 13:04
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Free energy
>
>
>
> I know some of you can't imagine something like that but whether you
> believe it or not, the irish company Steorn which back in august took
> out a full page ad in the economist with a white glove slap in the face
> of the 'scientific' community, is claiming a 10 day public demonstration
> in London of the device starting this week and various reports indicate
> that it will be today.
>
> part of me hopes that today we will be able to say 'today we celebrate
> our independence day'
>
> Dan
>
>
>
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difference.
> Of course the article's title *actually* refers to the Impact, a
> one-off (or at least few-off) show-car predecessor to the EV1, which
> AFAIK was never offered for sale- hence no buyers. Also if only two
> Impacts were built and one caught fire that would yield an "alarming"
> rate of car fires...
> Hi EVeybody;
I don't remember many, if ANY EV-1 fires, but the GEM cars were real
burners, not in a Waylandesque Way! THEY burned and it was a charger issue.
I particularry remember a NY Post article about a "Killer Electric Car" Some
celebs house burned up and it was the CARS fault, they said. I woulda sued
them IF I were GEM Co.But I think Crapsler was happy for the bum press. "See
EV's aren't any good!" Lottsa gas cars have burned up too, but there are so
godamn MANY of them, the averages are good that they would. After all Gas is
a Hazmat on the RR! If ya have, say, a tankcar full of it!
Just a few thoughts.
Seeya at PIR?
Bob
> On 7/3/07, Joseph T. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Please...GM could've made the EV1 fire-proof. Few went on fire anyway;
>> it's not like it cause chaos.
>>
>> On 7/3/07, Zeke Yewdall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > No buyers huh.... perhaps that was because GM refused to sell
>> > them????? I'd buy one if they were available.
>> >
>> > On 7/3/07, Eduardo Kaftanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 04:05:21PM -0700, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
>> > > > http://www.usatoday.com/news/top25-vehicles.htm
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ouch.
>> > >
>> > > did at least one catch fire recharging?
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > >
>> >
>> >
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Steorn now claims the demo will happen at 6pm UK time which is 1pm
eastern us
it will allegedly be available online as a webcast and run for 10 days
the test site just came online:
http://www.astream.com/live/steorn/camera4.html
this might be a very revolutionary day although I dare not hope.
if you have oil stocks, smoke em if you got em : )
Dan
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> Not to mention, making a blanket statement that "EV's are not suitable for
> hill climbing" or other similar statements does not exactly advance our
> cause.
>
> I'm not suggesting we ignore any truths, but if overall, that's the case
> then maybe we as a group need to design them so they DO climb well instead
> of just saying that it can't be done. :)
>
> I know better though. There's a lot of guys out on the Left Coast living
> in the mountains and hills. More in fact, than those of us in the flats on
> the East coast.
>
> Rich A.
>
> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:53:39 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jeff Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Wheel alignment Or How to significantly reduce rolling
> resistance! .. hill climbing ..
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> --- peekay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>my own view is that ev's are very suitable for flat
>>lands ..
>>and very modest climbs (like approaches to fly-overs
>>or bridges)
>>
>>ev's are totally unsuitable for up-hill climbs
>>
>>..peekay
>>
>>Hey Guyz! EV's go up hills, too. Ya gotta be patient! I have a few 400 amp
>>hills here in hilly Corrupticut, too. Oh not as impressive as, say, the
>>Rocky Mtns but still amp sucking hills.I can do it at 50mph @400plus amps
>>or gear down and do 100 amps at 20-25 mph or less. Depends on HOW much
>>battery I have left at the bottom!Or how many SUV's are RIGHT on my
>>bumper?
Seeya
Bob
>
> Hey Peekay,
>
> Battery powered EVs go up Pike's Peak, tallest
> mountain in US (lower 48).
>
> http://www.electrifyingtimes.com/pikes_peak_ER3.html
>
> That is elevation gain of 4700 feet in 12.4 miles.
>
> It can be done. And I think Lee pointed out, most
> times you come down those hills, so regen and get some
> energy back. Your combustion engine cars cannot do
> that. Maybe EVs are better on hills.
>
> Jeff
>
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Hi EVerybody;
Didn't realize that the B 600 thing would be such a popular subject! I'm
adressing generally here. I have old, and almost new AND new bb's. I didn't
wanna dump them ALL, just a Prius load, I had in mind?
Prices, oldies but probably goodies? 5bux
Newbees or slightly used ten bux a throw? Sound reasonable, at 3 bux a
gal gas daze!
Keep on trukin'
Bob, How MUCH CAN a prius carry?
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> Hi EVerybody;
>
> Micro Sloth is up to it's old stuff! My note an BB600's bounced, said I
> wasn't subscribed to the List? Like hell! Have been for YEARS, but I'll
> use one of my notes that DID get through.Wipe it clean and forward.
>
> Point here, Oh, I'm GETTING to it! Anybody want/need some BB600's, like
> for a bike, scooter? A reasonable load for a Prius, as I would deliver on
> my Portland Pilgrimage in a few daze.Would help defray the expences, too.
>
> Seeya at PDX
>
> Bob
>
>
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> Hey Bob,
> How many, and how much? I can get them back to
> Colorado in Bill Dube's rig, so shipping won't cost
> anything...
>
> - Steven Ciciora
> Hi Steve;
Seems like a lot of guyz in the Denvir area are interested and YOU could
haul them there?So I could make the drop in PDX?
Bob
> --- Bob Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hi EVerybody;
>>
>> Micro Sloth is up to it's old stuff! My note an
>> BB600's bounced, said I
>> wasn't subscribed to the List? Like hell! Have been
>> for YEARS, but I'll use
>> one of my notes that DID get through.Wipe it clean
>> and forward.
>>
>> Point here, Oh, I'm GETTING to it! Anybody
>> want/need some BB600's, like
>> for a bike, scooter? A reasonable load for a Prius,
>> as I would deliver on my
>> Portland Pilgrimage in a few daze.Would help defray
>> the expences, too.
>>
>> Seeya at PDX
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
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From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Hill climbing (Was: Re: Wheel alignment)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:07:02 -0600
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Hello all,
I drove every day on a 7-8 percent 2 mile long hill every day from 1976 to
1986 in one or Robert Aronsson electric highway vehicles call Transformer I
from the Electric Fuel Propulsion Company. Before I hit the base of that
hill, I would get the EV up to 65 to 70 mph in a gear of 5.57:1 at 5000 rpm.
As I went up the hill I could hold it at about 60 mph at 600 motor amps and
about 300 battery amps using 300 AH cobalt batteries that never sag below
the low voltage limit of the 900 amp controller.
I just love it in the winter time, when the roads were very icy and all the
ICE were slipping and sliding all other the place, where I walk right up
this hill passing up ICE's because they were lose traction.
Coming down this hill was something else. In the summer, I would let it all
hang out and the EV gets up to 80 mph passing the ICE's again. In the
winter if icy, all I had to do was turn on all my accessory power which the
main motor drives and acts just like compression on a ICE. Had extended
studed tires on all fours.
EFP even gave me a giant load resistor which was so big, you had to hang it
on the front bumper which they test out for regen braking. Never use it. No
room to put it.
Roland
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From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: Hill climbing (Was: Re: Wheel alignment)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Acuti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Hill climbing (Was: Re: Wheel alignment)
>
>
> > Not to mention, making a blanket statement that "EV's are not suitable
> > for
> > hill climbing" or other similar statements does not exactly advance our
> > cause.
> >
> > I'm not suggesting we ignore any truths, but if overall, that's the case
> > then maybe we as a group need to design them so they DO climb well
> > instead
> > of just saying that it can't be done. :)
> >
> > I know better though. There's a lot of guys out on the Left Coast living
> > in the mountains and hills. More in fact, than those of us in the flats
> > on
> > the East coast.
> >
> > Rich A.
> >
> > Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:53:39 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Jeff Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: Wheel alignment Or How to significantly reduce rolling
> > resistance! .. hill climbing ..
> > To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
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> > --- peekay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>my own view is that ev's are very suitable for flat
> >>lands ..
> >>and very modest climbs (like approaches to fly-overs
> >>or bridges)
> >>
> >>ev's are totally unsuitable for up-hill climbs
> >>
> >>..peekay
> >>
> >>Hey Guyz! EV's go up hills, too. Ya gotta be patient! I have a few 400
> >>amp
> >>hills here in hilly Corrupticut, too. Oh not as impressive as, say, the
> >>Rocky Mtns but still amp sucking hills.I can do it at 50mph @400plus
> >>amps
> >>or gear down and do 100 amps at 20-25 mph or less. Depends on HOW much
> >>battery I have left at the bottom!Or how many SUV's are RIGHT on my
> >>bumper?
>
> Seeya
>
> Bob
> >
> > Hey Peekay,
> >
> > Battery powered EVs go up Pike's Peak, tallest
> > mountain in US (lower 48).
> >
> > http://www.electrifyingtimes.com/pikes_peak_ER3.html
> >
> > That is elevation gain of 4700 feet in 12.4 miles.
> >
> > It can be done. And I think Lee pointed out, most
> > times you come down those hills, so regen and get some
> > energy back. Your combustion engine cars cannot do
> > that. Maybe EVs are better on hills.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
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From: "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi Everyone,
I`ve worked on about 30 conversions, and will tell you they will never go very
far unless you spend a lot of money on batteries,. even then you just can`t
get enough batteries in a conversion. You can say I`m full of bull which is
gutsy, you can agree which is intelligent, or you can pretend I`m not here
which is silly,. pick one,. see ya.
Tom Sines
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