EV Digest 7065
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Electric Toyota prius
by Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: DIY Electric Car Forums
by Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Porsche making Hybrid
by Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Porsche to make hybrids
by Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: chevy transmissions...
by Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Simple Controller
by Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Really needed ??? Re: DIY Electric Car Forums
by =?UTF-8?B?SnVra2EgSsOkcnZpbmVu?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Really needed ??? Re: DIY Electric Car Forums
by Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Porsche to make hybrids
by Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Electric Toyota Prius
by Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Indicator lamps for contactor operation
by Frank John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) E-F guage for Ni-Cads
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Bumping up the Speed on NEV,s
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Porsche to make hybrids
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
15) Re: chevy transmissions...
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: DIY Electric Car Forums
by "joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: DIY Electric Car Forums
by "Kip C. Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: DIY Electric Car Forums
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: chevy transmissions...
by "TrotFox Greyfoot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: DIY Electric Car Forums
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Upgrading NEV
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
22) Re: Wh/Mile Formula ?
by Jeff Mccabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: DIY Electric Car Forums
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
24) Hanging with Victor...EVision replaces all gauges in White Zombie
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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http://money.cnn.com/2007/07/25/news/international/bc.toyota.plugins.reut/index.htm?postversion=2007072506
seems toyota is dragging its feet.
only 13km range and nimh based and 'unfit for commercialization' blaming
battery tech
video report from reuters
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=61683&videoChannel=1
Dan
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Here here. php forums are the standard these days. I was actually looking for a
forum when I stumbled across this. The archives are a bit of a pain to search.
I actually used my Google tool bar to search them and it worked well, but many
people would not go to that trouble. This is just how things go. php replaced
mailing lists. Email lists replaced paper mailing lists. paper mailing lists
replaced chisel and stone :)
Brian
---- "Kip C. Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
=============
Scam? Like what?
The facts are:
- Most people on this list would like to see EVs go mainstream.
- Allot of people on this list have no idea how to search the archive or
where to go to do it, nor do they wish to take the time to figure it out
when a web forum offers the convenience right in front of their faces on
every single page.
Mailing lists of this size are unwieldy and antiquated - and not readily
embraced by the AOL/MySpace generation of internet users.
I used to run a fairly large mailing list and am familiar with many aspects
of operating them, but I hate the snot out of the format now. Instead of
just browsing through threads adressing subjects of immediate interest or
being able to easily and conveniently search, I end up having to press the
delete key endlessly on stuff that I am not the least bit interested in.
Mailing lists are best for immediate polling of the knowledge base of it's
users or for sending alerts, but when it comes to the basics, we need
something better. I'm not complaining about the quality of the discussion
here, but merely the shotgun disorganized nature of the format. Until
something better catches on, it will do. But I really hope something better
catches on!
If we wanted to make EV conversion easier and more mainstream, doesn't it
make sense to make the access to the information meet the same criteria?
Someday, I will be a seasoned EV'er, and I probably won't be talking about
it much here except to redirect people to a more convenient format.
I have registered on the new forum and hope to see many others do so as
well. Continuing to stick to this list as the sole means of technical
support is a Luddistic insistance on not progressing the cause.
--
Kip
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Barkley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: DIY Electric Car Forums
>I hope this forum that just popped up, isn't some sort
> of scam, it might relieve you seasoned EV'rs from the
> postings of us newbies, that don't search the archives
> quite as well as needed (Yes I'm guilty). I'd hate to
> see some of you guys leave the EVDL list, due to all
> the new postings from us newbies. Please keep in mind
> most of us are all working towards the same goal, to
> be driving a EV rather than an ICE and for me, getting
> the word out to more and more people about EV
> conversions can only be a good thing.
>
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http://money.cnn.com/2007/07/24/autos/porsche_hybrid/index.htm?postversion=2007072418
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it's still half assed but might be important to get one of the lizard
brain testosterone makers onboard the electric train. when ferrari
announces electric then the war is won :)
http://money.cnn.com/2007/07/24/autos/porsche_hybrid/index.htm?postversion=2007072418
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The GM bell housing easily mounting to the Mazda tranny is unlikely. Plus, you
would still have an issue mating the motor to the clutch and then the clutch to
the tranny input shaft. That's just a major hassle and a big mess of
miss-matched parts. I would recommend having a new adapter made to work with
the Mazda tranny and clutch.
Brian
---- Zeke Yewdall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
=============
So, I'm trying to figure out how to mount my big motor (which I think
we've agreed is a sepex motor) to my transmission.... it's got a
nice adaptor on it now which will alledgedly bolt directly to a Borg
Warner T-10 transmission with a chevy V-8 bellhousing. Clutch and all
(it was in a 1967 corvette previously)
But, I've got a little 4 speed mazda transmission (Ford Courier
pickup). I thought of three options....
1) Fit chevy bell housing to mazda transmission, and try to make chevy
clutch disc connect to mazda input shaft, and mazda slave cylinder
activate the chevy clutch fork.
2) use a chevy transmission, and get a new driveshaft made. I thought
since the S-10 is a popular EV conversion, some of your migth have
ideas on what sort of transmission might work for this... do any of
the S-10 transmissions bolt to a V-8 engine?
3) redo the adaptor, to bolt to the mazda transmission bell housing,
and use the mazda flywheel and clutch setup.
Suggestions?
Thanks
Zeke
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I just received this today but dated 5 days ago. did you write it
offline then and just sent it now or is this an issue with the list?
Rich Rudman wrote:
About 120 HP..
At 100% eff and that's Electrical HP.. not shaft HP or shaft torque.
You still just don't get it...
could have fooled me :)
300 amps is not going to get much moving very fast.
people on the list seem to indicate that that would cover normal driving
ok. maybe 400amps. to begin with I'm not looking for a racing
controller, but one that would enable ICE like performance all the way
to highway speed. should it be needed, extending the max amps seems
largely trivial
You need more like 1000 amps on the motors....or a LOT of gear reduction.
first gear is typically 1:20
We designed a 1200 amp Raptor because Curtii had whimpy off the line
acceleration.
Try a more attainable design like 120 VDC and 600 amps on the motor loop.
You get to use affordable 200 volt Mosfets also.
it seems the power transistor voltage is not a problem
Torque in a DC motor is all about amps.. getting a heavy Ev moving is all
about amps or lots of gears.
torque is from amps and gearing but HP is what gets you moving
Hp is torque times RPM / 5252. Figure you need .3 Gs to move off a light
with reasonable speed.
Dan ...Build it... Then say we are knuckle dragging idiots...
nah, I figure if I do this it won't be necessary to tell people what
they did : ) the odd hint perhaps :)
you are not idiots, just afraid of change. caught in the system. who knows.
Dan
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Right. php's are fine but not when you're off line on the sky to get
somewhere. Standard makes nothing better. It just tells that majority
might be idiots.
Was there not a command in the EVDL that sent ALL previous mails
(archives too) to the registred email address ? (can't remember if there
were)
If I wish to search anything from EVDL I just use my thunderbirds search
engine. Oldest mail in the folder is like from 2002 or so. Anything I
need is there and even off line. And that IS simple and it works anytime
and it's fast.
(I took over 5 years old messages out from this folder :) They are
somewhere stored...in a lonely HD somwhere..
Just a brief question to old timers. When was the EVDL formed ? I have
no clue..
Thou.. I have to admit that the siplicity of EVDL does not support all
neat new features that web based ones have by default. But.. You can
always have a link in your email and that kinda makes current EVDL even
more versatile.
I would miss a LOT if the EVDL changed to web-only mode.
-Jukka
Brian Jackson kirjoitti:
Here here. php forums are the standard these days. I was actually looking for a forum when I stumbled across this. The archives are a bit of a pain to search. I actually used my Google tool bar to search them and it worked well, but many people would not go to that trouble. This is just how things go. php replaced mailing lists. Email lists replaced paper mailing lists. paper mailing lists replaced chisel and stone :)
Brian
---- "Kip C. Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
=============
Scam? Like what?
The facts are:
- Most people on this list would like to see EVs go mainstream.
- Allot of people on this list have no idea how to search the archive or
where to go to do it, nor do they wish to take the time to figure it out
when a web forum offers the convenience right in front of their faces on
every single page.
Mailing lists of this size are unwieldy and antiquated - and not readily
embraced by the AOL/MySpace generation of internet users.
I used to run a fairly large mailing list and am familiar with many aspects
of operating them, but I hate the snot out of the format now. Instead of
just browsing through threads adressing subjects of immediate interest or
being able to easily and conveniently search, I end up having to press the
delete key endlessly on stuff that I am not the least bit interested in.
Mailing lists are best for immediate polling of the knowledge base of it's
users or for sending alerts, but when it comes to the basics, we need
something better. I'm not complaining about the quality of the discussion
here, but merely the shotgun disorganized nature of the format. Until
something better catches on, it will do. But I really hope something better
catches on!
If we wanted to make EV conversion easier and more mainstream, doesn't it
make sense to make the access to the information meet the same criteria?
Someday, I will be a seasoned EV'er, and I probably won't be talking about
it much here except to redirect people to a more convenient format.
I have registered on the new forum and hope to see many others do so as
well. Continuing to stick to this list as the sole means of technical
support is a Luddistic insistance on not progressing the cause.
--
Kip
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Barkley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: DIY Electric Car Forums
I hope this forum that just popped up, isn't some sort
of scam, it might relieve you seasoned EV'rs from the
postings of us newbies, that don't search the archives
quite as well as needed (Yes I'm guilty). I'd hate to
see some of you guys leave the EVDL list, due to all
the new postings from us newbies. Please keep in mind
most of us are all working towards the same goal, to
be driving a EV rather than an ICE and for me, getting
the word out to more and more people about EV
conversions can only be a good thing.
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there is a speed avantage in a mailing list if you want to read all
messages that come through (if we ignore whopper faux pas like delaying
the posts from hours to even days! as they are here) but the webbase
does have significant advantages, mainly thread structuring, embedded
pictures, no html problems etc.
one way to perhaps alleviate fears for those of you still stuck in 1960
is to implement a service so you can get all new posts on a webforum
sent to your email (possibly containing a link to that webpost so it can
be answered)
A hybrid if you will :)
Dan
Jukka Järvinen wrote:
Right. php's are fine but not when you're off line on the sky to get
somewhere. Standard makes nothing better. It just tells that majority
might be idiots.
Was there not a command in the EVDL that sent ALL previous mails
(archives too) to the registred email address ? (can't remember if
there were)
If I wish to search anything from EVDL I just use my thunderbirds
search engine. Oldest mail in the folder is like from 2002 or so.
Anything I need is there and even off line. And that IS simple and it
works anytime and it's fast.
(I took over 5 years old messages out from this folder :) They are
somewhere stored...in a lonely HD somwhere..
Just a brief question to old timers. When was the EVDL formed ? I have
no clue..
Thou.. I have to admit that the siplicity of EVDL does not support all
neat new features that web based ones have by default. But.. You can
always have a link in your email and that kinda makes current EVDL
even more versatile.
I would miss a LOT if the EVDL changed to web-only mode.
-Jukka
Brian Jackson kirjoitti:
Here here. php forums are the standard these days. I was actually
looking for a forum when I stumbled across this. The archives are a
bit of a pain to search. I actually used my Google tool bar to search
them and it worked well, but many people would not go to that
trouble. This is just how things go. php replaced mailing lists.
Email lists replaced paper mailing lists. paper mailing lists
replaced chisel and stone :)
Brian
---- "Kip C. Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
=============
Scam? Like what?
The facts are:
- Most people on this list would like to see EVs go mainstream.
- Allot of people on this list have no idea how to search the archive
or where to go to do it, nor do they wish to take the time to figure
it out when a web forum offers the convenience right in front of
their faces on every single page.
Mailing lists of this size are unwieldy and antiquated - and not
readily embraced by the AOL/MySpace generation of internet users.
I used to run a fairly large mailing list and am familiar with many
aspects of operating them, but I hate the snot out of the format
now. Instead of just browsing through threads adressing subjects of
immediate interest or being able to easily and conveniently search, I
end up having to press the delete key endlessly on stuff that I am
not the least bit interested in.
Mailing lists are best for immediate polling of the knowledge base of
it's users or for sending alerts, but when it comes to the basics, we
need something better. I'm not complaining about the quality of the
discussion here, but merely the shotgun disorganized nature of the
format. Until something better catches on, it will do. But I really
hope something better catches on!
If we wanted to make EV conversion easier and more mainstream,
doesn't it make sense to make the access to the information meet the
same criteria?
Someday, I will be a seasoned EV'er, and I probably won't be talking
about it much here except to redirect people to a more convenient
format.
I have registered on the new forum and hope to see many others do so
as well. Continuing to stick to this list as the sole means of
technical support is a Luddistic insistance on not progressing the
cause.
--
Kip
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Barkley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: DIY Electric Car Forums
I hope this forum that just popped up, isn't some sort
of scam, it might relieve you seasoned EV'rs from the
postings of us newbies, that don't search the archives
quite as well as needed (Yes I'm guilty). I'd hate to
see some of you guys leave the EVDL list, due to all
the new postings from us newbies. Please keep in mind
most of us are all working towards the same goal, to
be driving a EV rather than an ICE and for me, getting
the word out to more and more people about EV
conversions can only be a good thing.
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Wow, that's really cool. Cheaper and more practical than any of the high
performance EVs on the market now.
---- Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
=============
it's still half assed but might be important to get one of the lizard
brain testosterone makers onboard the electric train. when ferrari
announces electric then the war is won :)
http://money.cnn.com/2007/07/24/autos/porsche_hybrid/index.htm?postversion=2007072418
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I sent the following 2 messages to the forum about 10 hours ago but
somehow they didn't get through. In both instances they had an url as
the first in the post. another flaw in this mail system?
http://money.cnn.com/2007/07/25/news/international/bc.toyota.plugins.reut/index.htm?postversion=2007072506
seems toyota is dragging its feet.
only 13km range and nimh based and 'unfit for commercialization' blaming
battery tech
video report from reuters
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=61683&videoChannel=1
Dan
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Thanks for everyones replies.
Eric, you've presented an interesting quandary. I wonder if appropriate use of
a diode would fix this? If so, any advice on sizing? Does it matter at 120
VDC?
Frank
----- Original Message ----
From: Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:34:55 PM
Subject: Re: Indicator lamps for contactor operation
Lot of replies about what lamp would work, but two things:
1) Wouldn't a lamp on the controller side of the contactor from B+ to B-
stay on a _long_ time, until the capacitor bank discharges?
2) Similarly, a lamp across the contactor could charge the capacitor
bank when the contactor is open, unless the leakage is enough to keep
the lamp lit.
Frank John wrote:
> I'm interested in wiring indicator lamps to the contactor output (2 contactor
> system) to show state i.e. open or closed. That means finding a small light
> or lamp that works at pack voltage (120 VDC nominal). Mouser shows a lamp
> (606-CM8-3995) that I think will do the job but I'm open to suggestions or
> experience. Has anyone found an interesting way to accomplish this? Will
> the lamp I mentioned work?
>
> TIA
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the
Yahoo! Auto Green Center.
http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
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Howdy,
Yesterday Lee posted the discharge rate for Ni-CD's using a voltage reading
battery guage something like 80%-80%-80% the 0. That's true they fall off a
cliff but if you make your own or by the programmable Curtis you can
imperically get it pretty close. The algorithm works like this, it averages
3 minutes of voltage dips (from under load) for a segment decrement based on
the full cell voltage (programmable, try 2.01) and the empty cell voltage
(programmable, try 1.63). Mine (after some putsing is pretty accurate, when
I get a red blinky, I'm walking. I designed one for GE-EV in 1% decrements
that I used in my E-metro and E-Jeep.
Best Regards,
Mark
_________________________________________________________________
http://newlivehotmail.com
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Howdy folk's
After the thrashing around emails on trying to bump up the useless 25mph on
NEV's, I'd thought I'd chime in.
The easiest way is to put a 4013 (12V) D-flip-flop on the speed sensor on
the differential which fools the uP into thinking the vehicle is running
half speed. I did this on a Bombardier NEV and it then ran at 45mph
*however* it didn't stop or steer very well (twitchy) at that speed. So
make sure your NEV is capable of operating faster. Like most things
Bombardier, they look sexy but technically are crap. Some of the other
NEV's I've seen would do better going a bit faster. Use the 1st FF as a
one-shot noise reducer and the second as the D-flip-flop (since it's a dual
device).
Have a renewable energy day,
Mark
_________________________________________________________________
http://newlivehotmail.com
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Cruise at 70mph on the electric engine?
Wow.
Starts at $44,000? More than I can afford, but far less than I would have
expected.
I can't wait to hear what the plug-in-modders do to this thing!
Ed Cooley
Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
07/26/2007 05:54
Please respond to
ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To
ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
cc
Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject
Re: Porsche to make hybrids
Wow, that's really cool. Cheaper and more practical than any of the high
performance EVs on the market now.
---- Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
=============
it's still half assed but might be important to get one of the lizard
brain testosterone makers onboard the electric train. when ferrari
announces electric then the war is won :)
http://money.cnn.com/2007/07/24/autos/porsche_hybrid/index.htm?postversion=2007072418
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Hello Zeke,
Option No. 2 would be easy to do. Any C-10 transmission that fits a V-6
engine will fit any V-8 engine bell housing pattern. To fit different drive
lines, all you have to do is cut off the yoke on the drive line to the
length you need, weld on a new yoke that may have to be turn a bit, so it
can slip into the existing drive line tubing.
Sometimes, you may be able to change the yoke in the transmission, but if
you have to shorten the driveline, it is best to change the yoke on the
driveline.
Make sure when the new yoke is install, the yoke position is in the same
position as the existing. Normally the yokes at each ends are about 90
degrees apart in position.
About 99 percent of the time, you do not have to re balance the drive shaft,
because the yokes slip in tight.
In my EV conversion I nave many types of items that fit, such as a 1975
Chevy V-8 race type explosive proof bell housing that fits a 283, 327 and
350 cu.in. v-8 engines as well as all the Chevy v-6 engines. They also fit
any Chevy transmissions, manual or automatic and some times the same
transmission that are use on Fords, like the Munci types.
A C10 manual transmission which has a built in bell housing which is design
for the V-6 will also fit the V-8 engines. The top 5 bolts holes and the
two guide pin holes on the top of the V-6 transmission will bolt up to the
V-8 engine and use a adapter closer plate at the bottom is use to adapt the
bottom holes.
When I order my adapter plate from Electro Auto for my Warp 9, that is to
fit the 1975 V-8 bell housing, using a steel crank flange for a motor
coupler from a 1956 crank, all I told them Is that I need a adapter plate
for a 1992 C10 Chevy V6 so as not to confuse them.
All I have to do was drill two holes on the bottom of this adapter plate to
fit the bottom holes of the V8 bell housing.
Roland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:49 PM
Subject: chevy transmissions...
> So, I'm trying to figure out how to mount my big motor (which I think
> we've agreed is a sepex motor) to my transmission.... it's got a
> nice adaptor on it now which will alledgedly bolt directly to a Borg
> Warner T-10 transmission with a chevy V-8 bellhousing. Clutch and all
> (it was in a 1967 corvette previously)
>
> But, I've got a little 4 speed mazda transmission (Ford Courier
> pickup). I thought of three options....
>
> 1) Fit chevy bell housing to mazda transmission, and try to make chevy
> clutch disc connect to mazda input shaft, and mazda slave cylinder
> activate the chevy clutch fork.
>
> 2) use a chevy transmission, and get a new driveshaft made. I thought
> since the S-10 is a popular EV conversion, some of your migth have
> ideas on what sort of transmission might work for this... do any of
> the S-10 transmissions bolt to a V-8 engine?
>
> 3) redo the adaptor, to bolt to the mazda transmission bell housing,
> and use the mazda flywheel and clutch setup.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>
> Zeke
>
>
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This has been addressed before, Kip - this IS the definitive EV list, and
will remain so. I will not go elsewhere, and I will actively discourage
others from doing so, as it is counter-productive to have more than one such
list.
Joseph H. Strubhar
Web: www.gremcoinc.com
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kip C. Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: DIY Electric Car Forums
Scam? Like what?
The facts are:
- Most people on this list would like to see EVs go mainstream.
- Allot of people on this list have no idea how to search the archive or
where to go to do it, nor do they wish to take the time to figure it out
when a web forum offers the convenience right in front of their faces on
every single page.
Mailing lists of this size are unwieldy and antiquated - and not readily
embraced by the AOL/MySpace generation of internet users.
I used to run a fairly large mailing list and am familiar with many
aspects of operating them, but I hate the snot out of the format now.
Instead of just browsing through threads adressing subjects of immediate
interest or being able to easily and conveniently search, I end up having
to press the delete key endlessly on stuff that I am not the least bit
interested in.
Mailing lists are best for immediate polling of the knowledge base of it's
users or for sending alerts, but when it comes to the basics, we need
something better. I'm not complaining about the quality of the discussion
here, but merely the shotgun disorganized nature of the format. Until
something better catches on, it will do. But I really hope something
better catches on!
If we wanted to make EV conversion easier and more mainstream, doesn't it
make sense to make the access to the information meet the same criteria?
Someday, I will be a seasoned EV'er, and I probably won't be talking about
it much here except to redirect people to a more convenient format.
I have registered on the new forum and hope to see many others do so as
well. Continuing to stick to this list as the sole means of technical
support is a Luddistic insistance on not progressing the cause.
--
Kip
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Barkley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: DIY Electric Car Forums
I hope this forum that just popped up, isn't some sort
of scam, it might relieve you seasoned EV'rs from the
postings of us newbies, that don't search the archives
quite as well as needed (Yes I'm guilty). I'd hate to
see some of you guys leave the EVDL list, due to all
the new postings from us newbies. Please keep in mind
most of us are all working towards the same goal, to
be driving a EV rather than an ICE and for me, getting
the word out to more and more people about EV
conversions can only be a good thing.
--- End Message ---
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As the former operator of a mailing list, all it took from me to transition
it's users to a web based forum was putting it up and ecnouraging people to
use it. Within weeks, list traffic dropped from 30-40 messages per day to
1-2 messages per day. That list is still in existance 7 years later, but I
have not seen a single message go through it in the last 3. The php based
forum that i started (and no longer manage) continues to go on strong today
with nearly 3500 registered users. That should tell you something about
what most people really prefer.
- Kip
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From: "BrownGassyTurd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: DIY Electric Car Forums
As it was recruitment for another souce of EV info, I wouldn't have
considered it spam; and even though I did not receive an email invite,
I'm glad you guys made me aware of it.
I've heard attempts at web based "EVDL replacements" (if you choose
to consider them that) have failed in the past, but don't see why they
can't co-exist and even complement each other.
The way some here speak of those new-fangled web based boards makes me
wonder if the EVDL's mission is being fulfilled to the fullest extent
possible.
The EVDL is currently like a secret handshake to new users. Just look
at the amount of people not "getting" the text only format and bugging
the hell out of the veterans.
I'm just glad that other forms of disseminating EV info exists.
YouTube videos of White Zombie to complement the stories here is an
awesome (cool, groovy, tight, sweet, [insert your generation's slang
for swell]) experience.
Here's hoping that Robert Green makes it, and/or that someone else
tries again if he doesn't succeed.
Still bummed I wasn't worthy of an invite though,
Manny
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RE: Robert Green's post:
I'm all for getting kits out, having built
CivicWithACord, and using it as my daily driver.
The reality (and I've mulled it over tons), is that I
can't see a profit in getting the battery racks done
(I don't weld), and shipping 100 lbs. of steel in the
mail. Most people who go EV have a local welder
and/or fabricator in mind.
Sooo, that leaves me marketing the videotape to
_assist_ others with their conversions.
--- Michael Barkley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I hope this forum that just popped up, isn't some
> sort
> of scam, it might relieve you seasoned EV'rs from
> the
> postings of us newbies, that don't search the
> archives
> quite as well as needed (Yes I'm guilty). I'd hate
> to
> see some of you guys leave the EVDL list, due to all
> the new postings from us newbies. Please keep in
> mind
> most of us are all working towards the same goal, to
> be driving a EV rather than an ICE and for me,
> getting
> the word out to more and more people about EV
> conversions can only be a good thing.
>
>
> --- joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I haven't seen it before you posted, but I have a
> > very good spam filter, and
> > it may have caught it.
> >
> > Joseph H. Strubhar
> >
> > Web: www.gremcoinc.com
> >
> > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rod Hower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 3:56 PM
> > Subject: DIY Electric Car Forums
> >
> >
> > > How many people with an EV on the EValbum got
> this
> > > message, just curious,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > Hello, My name is Robert Green. I just saw your
> EV
> > on
> > > austinev albums and thought I'd invite you to a
> > new EV
> > > conversion community I'm starting up. The point
> of
> > the
> > > community is to organize conversion information,
> > help
> > > facilitate communication between DIYers like
> > yourself
> > > and others and bring in parts vendors and
> > fabricators
> > > all to a single location to help everyone's
> > projects
> > > out. The end goal is to have guides and kits
> > available
> > > for most makes and models of standard cars and
> > > community support for those attempting their EV
> > > conversions.
> > >
> > > You have very valuable experience and
> information
> > that
> > > I think could seriously benefit others and I
> think
> > you
> > > will find more information valuable to you in
> the
> > very
> > > near future. What I'd really like is for you to
> > > introduce yourself or post a little info about
> > your
> > > past or existing projects to help me jumpstart
> > this
> > > database. Several admins will be checking the
> > site,
> > > sorting and grouping the posts and data to make
> > sure
> > > the site is growing in ways constructive and
> > helpful
> > > to you. I want this to start by being a place
> for
> > > experts but gradually work in good information
> for
> > > people new to the hobby so we can make it more
> > > accessible for more households to start driving
> > > electric.
> > >
> > > My name is 'rbgrn' on the forums and I will be
> > > available for contact there or at this email
> > address.
> > > Please have a look at the site and hopefully I
> > will
> > > see you online!
> > >
> > > DIY Electric Car Forums -
> > > http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/
> > >
> > > Robert Green
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Converting a gen. 5 Honda Civic? For $20 DVD you can purchase footage of my
'92 sedan, as well as a del Sol and hatch too!
Learn more at: www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html
____
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'O'-----'O'-'
Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe came out of the steering wheel?
Are you saving any gas for your kids?
____________________________________________________________________________________
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today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.
http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
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Roland,
I thought the 60 degree engines had a different bolt pattern than the
90 degree V8s? I know that an adapter plate is required to mate the
transaxle in my Fiero to a SBC but the 90 degree 3800cc V6 will bolt
right up... Also, the 3.4L F-body engines will bolt right onto my
trans and are in fact nearly identical to my stock 2.8L V6.
Are you certain about what you're saying? I think a bell housing
change may be needed to get certain engine's bolt patterns on certain
longitudinal transmissions.
Or am I just completely confused?
Trot, the fact-checking, fox...
On 7/26/07, Roland Wiench <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello Zeke,
Option No. 2 would be easy to do. Any C-10 transmission that fits a V-6
engine will fit any V-8 engine bell housing pattern. To fit different drive
lines, all you have to do is cut off the yoke on the drive line to the
length you need, weld on a new yoke that may have to be turn a bit, so it
can slip into the existing drive line tubing.
--
| /\_/\ TrotFox \ Always remember,
| ( o o ) AKA Landon Solomon \ "There is a
| >\_/< [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ third alternative."
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At 02:22 AM 7/26/2007, Brian Jackson wrote:
Here here. php forums are the standard these days. I was actually
looking for a forum when I stumbled across this. The archives are a
bit of a pain to search. I actually used my Google tool bar to
search them and it worked well, but many people would not go to that
trouble. This is just how things go. php replaced mailing lists.
Email lists replaced paper mailing lists. paper mailing lists
replaced chisel and stone :)
The only problem I have with Forums is TIME.
It takes me FAR longer to go to a web site, browse the various forums
for new threads, check various threads for interesting posts, etc...
With the Email list, the msgs get dumped into my EVDL folder which I
can skim at high speed, deleting/saving as I go.
Web Forums seem to be really popular with people who have lots of extra time.
--
John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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> All this talk about low maintenance EVs versus IC powered vehicles. Is it
really so profound a difference? My wife drives a 98 Tacoma that has never been
in the shop for anything other than plugs, wires, air filters, oil filters and
oil. Shoot, I think the thing is still on its original battery. Wow, that thing
is 9 years old. Maybe I should replace it one of these days. We have never
serviced the brakes, and they show no sign of fading to this day. We have
probably spend about $100 per year on basic tune up stuff. Are EVs really that
much better?
>
> Maybe if we were comparing EV maintenance to American car reliability. A Yugo
is probably more reliable than our 40,000 mile '01 Dodge 1/2 ton. What a pile
that thing is. Sigh. Poor American cars.
>
>
My gas car is a '97 RAV4 that has only needed tires, wipers, and brakes, as well
as the occasional oil/filter change, so my quote *from* a Ford is really *about*
a Ford...and several other marques. At 90K mi, the touchy ignition switch is
giving my wife fits (in this case, *jiggle-jiggle, in-out, jiggle-jiggle,
repeat* is NOT a sexual reference), but she loves that car and calls it
"über-dependable".
P.S.- The battery has been replaced a couple times, but with old Hawkers that
were just sitting around, waiting for something to do when they got to the
point of having most of their punch but much less of their stamina...
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Great work with those graphs Jeremy.I'll have to spend
some times going over them .
Looks like I'm going to use this for now: 156 volts x
100amps@ 60mph= watts ; watts/ 60 mph= wh/mi. I think
that's right?
Please correct me if not.
Thanks Jeremy.
--- Jeremy Rutman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> you can use range[km]=250 x capacity[kWh] /
> (mass[kg]^0.6)
> or range[miles]=250 x capacity[kWh] /
> (mass[lbs]^0.6)
> {same due to lucky cancellation , #km/mile =
> (#kilograms/lb)^0.6 }
> comparison of various range formulas, graphs at
> http://physics.technion.ac.il/~rutman/range.htm
> the formula is based on real data from the evdl and
> there is spread
> of results due to factors
> not in the formula such as: aero coeff, regen or no,
> driving style
> (e.g. avg speed), hilliness, peukert etc.
> Uve's groovy calculation page is branched off
>
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/8679/ev.html
>
> >From: Jeff Mccabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Wh/Mile Formula ?
> >Here's a simple one. Cant remember how to figure
> out
> >my Wh/Mile . Also is there a site that has many of
> the
> >relevant formulas for us ev'ers.
> >Thanks, Jeff
>
> Jeremy Rutman
> Technion Physics Dep't
> Haifa 32000
> Israel
> 972 4 8293669
>
>
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I was thinking... if you join would you also either keep a similar name to
what you go by here or maybe sign your evdl posts with an aka? I would
like to be able to look at losts on each forum type and know who is
answering. Would also help if one of us EVDL members needs to contact
someone off list.
Just a thought.
Paul
aka PACMAN
> I haven't seen it before you posted, but I have a very good spam filter,
> and
> it may have caught it.
>
> Joseph H. Strubhar
>
> Web: www.gremcoinc.com
>
> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rod Hower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 3:56 PM
> Subject: DIY Electric Car Forums
>
>
>> How many people with an EV on the EValbum got this
>> message, just curious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Hello, My name is Robert Green. I just saw your EV on
>> austinev albums and thought I'd invite you to a new EV
>> conversion community I'm starting up. The point of the
>> community is to organize conversion information, help
>> facilitate communication between DIYers like yourself
>> and others and bring in parts vendors and fabricators
>> all to a single location to help everyone's projects
>> out. The end goal is to have guides and kits available
>> for most makes and models of standard cars and
>> community support for those attempting their EV
>> conversions.
>>
>> You have very valuable experience and information that
>> I think could seriously benefit others and I think you
>> will find more information valuable to you in the very
>> near future. What I'd really like is for you to
>> introduce yourself or post a little info about your
>> past or existing projects to help me jumpstart this
>> database. Several admins will be checking the site,
>> sorting and grouping the posts and data to make sure
>> the site is growing in ways constructive and helpful
>> to you. I want this to start by being a place for
>> experts but gradually work in good information for
>> people new to the hobby so we can make it more
>> accessible for more households to start driving
>> electric.
>>
>> My name is 'rbgrn' on the forums and I will be
>> available for contact there or at this email address.
>> Please have a look at the site and hopefully I will
>> see you online!
>>
>> DIY Electric Car Forums -
>> http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/
>>
>> Robert Green
>>
>>
>
>
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Hello to All,
Just a short post (is that possible?) about last week's enlightening
time spent with Metric Mind's Victor Tichonov! I'm sure many have
noticed the way he and I go at it from time to time here on the EVDL,
but that's OK. We'll probably never agree on certain things, but we do
respect each other and consider ourselves friends. Sure, he's 'Mr. AC'
but if anyone thinks he's anti-DC, then I guess you missed him at pretty
much all the major drag racing EVents around here where he's right in
there with everyone else cheering on the DC powered electric drag cars
tearing up the track. Conversely, there are probably just as many who
think I'm 'Mr. DC' and that I'm anti-AC...then perhaps you missed me
smoking Victor's ACRX's tires last week, flying down the freeway in his
smooth running AC machine, and regenning down Mt. Tabor without ever
having to touch the brake pedal!
Keeping track of all the activity, and the reason for my fun ride in his
electric Honda, was Victor's absolutely brilliant 'EVision'! Listen up
everyone...this is going to be the next 'must have' item in your EV! I
rank his do-almost-everything EVision right in there with the Zilla
controllers and the Manzanita Micro chargers in regards to how it will
revolutionize the backyard builder/converter's world. Rudman's powerful
and flexible chargers dramatically changed our EVs for the better,
offering tremendous charging power in short time periods with the basic
controllability needed to protect AGM and other sensitive battery types.
In my short range type EVs, these chargers took my charge time from 6-8
hours to 45 minutes - one hour! The same type of revolution can be said
about Otmar's Zilla controllers, too, and I certainly don't need to go
into all that again, as I've written many, many times about how
wonderful the are. Now, here comes the EVision!
Until now, the classic Emeter was 'the meter' for electric cars. It
offered a lot of features in a small dash gauge that also added the
'cool factor' of an LED lit face with digital readouts of volts, amps,
ahrs, time left to empty, etc. However, the Emeter is also well known
for a failure mode, where if one forgets to disconnect high voltage
power in a certain order...poof, there goes your Emeter! Then, there's
the fidgeting with it's face mounted membrane switches while
driving...argh! Still, the Emeter is cool, and I've got five of them in
various EVs around here.
The EVision is all the good things of an Emeter, plus soooooooo much
more! First, it's a larger so it's far more 'readable', and the LED lit
face is in a word, fantastic! In the automotive world of car nuts like
me, the phrase 'eye candy' is used often to describe those things that
make folks admiring show cars drool. Eye candy can be an outrageous
paint job, artfully twisted headers on a built V8, an elaborate sound
system with colorful highlights and exotic speaker designs, tricked out
upholstery, custom wheels, etc. In this regard, the EVision rules!
Victor deserves a huge kudos for the way he designed the display! The
display can give three different parameters all at once, too, because
there are twin split color digital displays plus an analog type radial
display around the meter face perimeter, too. One look at his EVision
lit up and doing its thing, especially at night, screams 'gotta have
it'! I know, I know, some of you more techy types out there might be
thinking 'who cares about the way it looks...how 'bout its
functionality?' Victor's got that covered...big time!
The first big change over an Emeter's press-buttons-on-the-display, is
the nifty wired remote control...illuminated, no less! It's a rotary
knob you can rest your free hand onto and never have to look away from
the road at to operate...simply twist and watch all the modes pop up on
the EVision. I personally, think Victor was inspired by me :-) You see,
back in the 90's, I was the first to integrate an Emeter into the dash
display of a conversion in the 'Red Beastie' project. It looked like a
factory dash option, and I used the steering wheel cruise control
buttons to 'remotely' operate the Emeter's functions:
http://photos.plasmaboyracing.com/album07/Beastie
Victor has taken this idea and made it perhaps the best feature of the
EVision...no more pressing on the face of a tiny round dash gauge. The
EVision is fully programmable via a laptop...Mac or PC...great move,
Victor! You can customize any combination of the myriad of displays, you
can set up favorite combinations, you can...well, do almost anything you
like! The feature list is so long of all the things this device takes
care of, I cannot list all of them...Victor, can you please respond and
post a list of functions for everyone? In any EVent, in addition for
easily doing all the Emeter does, you can also use your EVision as a
speedometer, a tach, a watt hrs per mile efficiency gauge (in real time
as you drive), an instantaneous kw consumed gauge (great if you're drag
racing and want to see the actual delivered kw from the pack), a 12V
systems monitor...man, I could go on, and on! Did I mention it also
captures and store all data?
Suffice it to say, I am privileged to be in the process of installing #2
EVision in White Zombie (along with a 5 point roll bar) that will
replace all of the gauges currently in the car! I'm beta testing it for
Victor, but I can already tell you he's not getting it back! Finally,
White Zombie will have a speedo...and a working tach....and a 12V
monitor that is highly accurate...and a kw consumed mode...and a watt
hrs per mile (or is that per 1/4 mile?) gauge...and a...... :-) :-) :-)
See Ya......John Wayland
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