Re: [EVDL] AC motors for mowers

2015-04-26 Thread ken via EV
Thanks for the possible explation.

I gues for know I'll use the bike controller.
I found out 1 thing that this one has a low freg some thing in it and
it makes my motors BUZ hard at low speeds.


On Sat, April 25, 2015 7:20 pm, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
 Hi Ken,
 I am not sure how a hall-effect throttle works other than that it uses
 magnetism instead of a resistance trace. I believe that the throttle
 itself uses an AC voltage in a coil that is affected by a metal plunger
 attached to the throttle pedal, but I am not sure and it does not matter
 if the output from the hall effect throttle gets converted to a standard
 0-5V throttle control voltage somewhere, then it is easy
 to take the pulses from the hall sensor on the mower axle and turn those
 into a control voltage also to automatically maintain RPM (rev up the
 motor if the hall pulses indicate that it is slowing down) this may need a
 simple inverting opamp to get the correct feedback, once you have the
 correct control signals.

 Hope this helps,


 Cor van de Water
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 From: ken [mailto:k...@peakfoto.com]
 Sent: Sat 4/25/2015 10:30 AM
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 Subject: Re: [EVDL] AC motors for mowers



 If you are interested in the 36V DC motor, it even has a Hall effect
 sensor on the axle that sits on top of the motor, to maintain RPM under
 varying load, in case you'd like to add this to your controller (I
 think that simply integrating the pulse output over time to get a DC
 voltage representative of the speed and combining that with any throttle
 input to the motor controller will do the trick. I believe Worx calls
 this intellicut


 I am working on using a controller to slow down the motor for power
 savings and noise for lighter grass.

 how complicated is to ad this to my existing controller that has a hall
 effect throlte?

 I would be nice to have it maintian constate speed .


 I the a cheap way to do this with out using a Bike controller and an add
 on.

 could I by the board from them or ???

 I built a box to put my headway cells in with bms, but the speed control
 would be nice also.



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[EVDL] EVLN: Young team gets jolt from building a 1971 Datsun EV

2015-04-26 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://www.newsleader.com/story/news/local/2015/04/22/power-purpose-electrifies-students-gov-school/26175091/
Young team gets jolt from building electric cars
Monique Calello  April 22, 2015

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Students in the electric vehicle engineering course at Shenandoah Valley
Governor's School gather around the car they're working on at the
Fishersville campus on Sunday, April 12, 2015. (Photo: Griffin Moores/The
News Leader)

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An uninstalled stack of Lithium Ion batteries sits in the electric vehicle
that students have built as part of a course at Shenandoah Valley Governor's
School. (Photo: Griffin Moores/The News Leader)
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FISHERSVILLE — Emily Vollmer tests the electrical wiring on a 1971 Datsun in
preparation for a competition this weekend in North Carolina. One of six
students in the electric vehicle engineering class at the Governor's School,
she clearly knows what she is doing. Her focus is sharpened by earned
expertise.

When Emily first joined the electric vehicle team, she had no knowledge
about cars or electricity. She just knew she cared about the environment and
wanted to be an engineer. Basically, Emily had to learn everything.

It was definitely stressful, Emily says. There were a lot of late nights
back at home where I would come back from this at nine o'clock and think, I
don't understand what they were talking about. I would research it and then
return the next time like, OK, I think I have a better idea, I can do this.

The students had to strip out all of the existing wiring and then start
over to create the electric cars.

Learning how to wire something was really challenging for me, Emily says.
We were trying to get all these back lights to work. It was about two
months before we could get anything to work, and when we finally did it was
just really exciting. After that we got on a roll.

“It was about two months before we could get anything to work, and when we
finally did it was just really exciting.”
Emily Vollmer, student

Now Emily builds electrical components for the cars, which include the
wiring harness that gets things like the lights, horn and wipers to work.
Benjamin Lahn works with Emily on the components and wiring system. He, too,
had no experience.

I told them I didn't know anything about cars, but I would be willing to
join if they would let me and of course they said, we welcome people with no
experience, Benjamin says.

The program was created in 1993 by Ron Perry and Jack Cross. Byron Humphries
joined the team the second year and took over the helm in its third year. An
army brat whose parents were both Virginians, Humphries attended college in
Florida and then returned to Virginia.

If we were stateside, we were in Virginia, Humphries says about moving
around as a kid.

Humphries' passion and enthusiasm is contagious. This program is a labor of
love, and it shows through the transformation demonstrated by his students
and in his upbeat, engaging demeanor. When asked what motivates him, he
says, To build powerful individuals, so they can go out to do amazing
things.

“Our Datsun has been through quite a few versions, and this is the latest.
It is incredibly fast.”
Vincent Daw, teacher

The purpose of the class is evident not just in the doing but in the
becoming. A student seems to begin the course as a curious participant, not
really knowing what to do and often leaves committed to something which is
intended to make the world a better place.

Fellow instructor Vincent Daw is as fully charged as his electric cars, and
ready to talk shop with anyone who will listen. An engineering and chemistry
teacher at the Governor's School, this is Daw's second year as an instructor
for the electric vehicle class.

Second year trying to save the world! he says as soon as he walks into the
shop. Our Datsun has been through quite a few versions, and this is the
latest. It is incredibly fast.

Daw believes the electric car is on the rebound and the future looks bright.

The lead-acid batteries are ancient technology... about 100 years old, Daw
says. The Lithium battery pack is twice the energy.

In the class, students have to take a gas car, strip out the engine,
radiator, lead-acid batteries and gas tanks and then rebuild and redesign it
with electric motors, Lithium batteries and electrical components. They have
to learn everything about designing, building, installing and testing
various systems from wiring to controllers. The team has two vehicles: a
1971 Datsun 240Z and a 1983 Porsche 911.

This is a challenging process, but we get our students thinking, Daw says.
A lot of our college prep 

Re: [EVDL] Charging-EVr PD-assaulted pushed, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed +

2015-04-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 26, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

 Either something huge is missing from the story or we're seeing incredibly 
 poor judgment by police officers.

Alas, I fear the only thing missing is a realization that this sort of shit 
goes on all the time, and it's only quite rare that there's somebody with a 
camera there to film it. The only poor judgement the officers are going to 
consider themselves guilty of is not noticing the bystander with the camera.

Driving While Black is outrageous enough...apparently Charging While Black 
needs to be added to the list.

I have some small hope that the increasing ubiquity of smartphones will help 
keep the cops better in line...but cops are also well known for intimidating 
bystanders into destroying evidence that incriminates corrupt cops, if 
necessary by arresting the bystanders for failing to comply with a police order 
and then accidentally destroying the evidence themselves.

There're lots of good cops on the beat, to be sure...but the system as an whole 
stinks to high heaven.

Regardless...a sad lesson for EV drivers with a built-in suntan. You're at as 
much danger from the cops when you're charging as you are when you're driving; 
plan your charging accordingly, be aware, and protect yourself. Maybe even 
invest in a dsahcam of your own, and a particularly inconspicuous one at 
that

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