Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GenZe e-bicycle has the same batteries as a Tesla-S EV

2015-05-22 Thread Alan Arrison via EV

I thought Tesla used Panasonic batteries.


On 5/22/2015 5:38 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

GenZe's e-bike models use the same Samsung batteries as the Tesla Model S to
help supplement your pedaling. The battery is actually removable, so you can
take it out of the bike and charge it at work with a cord about the size of
your laptop charger.


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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GenZe e-bicycle has the same batteries as a Tesla-S EV

2015-05-22 Thread Michael Ross via EV
I think your are right, but who really knows?  It is all anecdotal to us
mere mortals.

Probably they are the same size.  I don't think Panasonic and Samsung are
using the same chemistry, and I think Samsung is not at the same levels of
quality, etc.  It could all be different tomorrow.

On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 10:42 PM, Alan Arrison via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:

 I thought Tesla used Panasonic batteries.


 On 5/22/2015 5:38 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

 GenZe's e-bike models use the same Samsung batteries as the Tesla Model S
 to
 help supplement your pedaling. The battery is actually removable, so you
 can
 take it out of the bike and charge it at work with a cord about the size
 of
 your laptop charger.


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[EVDL] EVLN: Team Uber Qik 2EVs Breaks Coast2Coast Records LA-NY In 58H55M

2015-05-22 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://insideevs.com/team-uber-qik-breaks-two-electric-vehicle-coast-to-coast-world-records-la-to-ny-in-58-hours-55-minutes/
Team Uber Qik Breaks Two Electric Vehicle Coast-to-Coast World Records – LA
To NY In 58 Hours  55 Minutes
[20150518] by Mark Kane

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video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMK3Y5Gd16k
Tesla P85D Coast To Coast NEW World Record
CR Construction May 14, 2015
Team Über Qik drives P85D Coast to Coast in a record time of 58 hours and 55
minutes.
Twitter @EVrecordAttempt
]

Team Uber Qik raised the bar for coast-to-coast journey in an electric car.

Drivers Rodney Hawk, Deena Mastracci and Carl Reese drove from Los Angeles
City Hall on April 16 to New York City Hall on April 19 in 58 hours and 55
minutes setting a new unofficial record for Guinness Book of World Records.

Of course they used a Tesla Model S (the latest P85D version), moving from
Supercharger to Supercharger along the way. This is currently the only
solution to set a new record, as no other electric car has range and
infrastructure properly covered.

They set also a second record for least charging time in an EV at 12 hours
and 48 minutes.

 “Accompanied by witnesses and timekeepers, Anthony Alvarado, Matt
Nordenstrom and Johnnie Oberg, Jr., Team Uber Qik, led by Reese, broke the
previous EV U.S. coast-to-coast time record of 67 hours and 21 minutes set
by a team from Edmunds.com in summer 2014. While the team broke two records
during this trip, Guinness only recognizes the “least non-driving time to
cross the U.S. in an electric vehicle,” meaning the shortest amount of
charging time. The team logged just 12 hours and 48 minutes plugged in at
Tesla’s growing network of supercharging stations conveniently located along
major freeways and free to use for all Tesla owners.“

Carl Reese of Santa Clarita, California said:

 “I was inspired by my grandfather who took me on road trips as a child and
Alex Roy who broke the cross-country record in a gasoline vehicle in 2006.
Tesla is such a compelling car company that is creating tens of thousands of
American jobs, with Tesla Motors in Fremont, California, Giga Factory in
Sparks, Nevada, and Space X in Hawthorne, California.”

Team Uber Qik was sponsored by global fleet tracking company GPS Insight, as
well as by InspectMobile.com, TeslaGrille.com and Chalkolot.com.
[© insideevs.com]



http://www.autoblog.com/2015/05/19/tesla-model-s-goes-coast-to-coast-in-58-hours-including-charge/
Tesla Model S goes coast-to-coast in 58 hours (including charge times)
May 19th 2015  Danny King

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Old Record Beaten By About Eight Hours

 I see you, Edmunds.com, and I raise you about eight hours. Not to put too
fine a point on it (this reporter once worked for Edmunds and has nothing
against them whatsoever) but that publication's record-setting cross-country
trip in a Tesla Model S last year just got taken down. By a solid work day.

 Drivers Rodney Hawk, Deena Mastracci and Carl Reese recently took their
electric vehicle from Los Angeles to New York City and finished the trip
about five minutes short of 59 hours, according to Hybrid Cars.
Impressively, the trio spent less than 13 hours recharging the vehicle,
meaning that about 46 hours were spent behind the wheel. With about 2,800
miles separating the two cities, that means the gents had an average speed
of 60 miles per hour. Quite civilized, actually. The trio, which called
themselves Team Über Qiq, posted their progress on Twitter.

Last year, Edmunds did a similar trip in 67 hours and 21 minutes, with more
than 14 hours spent recharging. Of course, this year's team had the
advantage of a more robust Supercharger network, meaning that the trio could
put the hammer down with a little more impunity that their forbearers with a
little less range anxiety. AutoblogGreen was part of a cross-country diesel
trip last year that finished in about 47 hours, so we can guess how tired
the Tesla drivers felt at the end of the trip.
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[EVDL] EVent: EVSE Workshops @5:30-7:30p on 5/27 Ukiah-CA 6/3 Willits-CA

2015-05-22 Thread brucedp5 via EV


% Place L2 CT4000 dual EVSE which allows power sharing, 1st along Hwy5 in
areas where there is an EVSE gap. Afterward, install along Hwy 1. Lastly,
install in cities that want eco-tourism revenue %

http://www.willitsnews.com/events/20150520/community-events-for-may-20
Community Events ...
05/20/15

May 27 ...
Ukiah-Plug-In Electric Vehicle Charging Station Workshop: 5:30-7:30 p.m. at
Mendocino County Veterans Memorial Building at 293 Seminary Ave. The public
is invited to discuss the location of charging station sites. Visit
MendocinoCOG.org ...

June 3 ...
Plug-In Electric Vehicle Charging Station Workshop: 5:30-7:30 p.m. City of
Willits, City Council Chambers, 111 E. Commercial St. See May 27 ...
[© willitsnews.com]
...
http://www.afdc.energy.gov/locator/stations/results?location=95482fuel=ELEC
Nearby EVSE
...
https://goo.gl/maps/sfT5J
(map)  293 Seminary Ave Ukiah, CA 95482
...
https://goo.gl/maps/J2tYp
(map)  111 E Commercial St Willits, CA 95490

http://www.mendocinocog.org/
Plug-in Electric Vehicle Charging Stations in Mendocino County
MCOG is hosting a series of community forums to hear input on locations
identified in the ZEV Regional Readiness Plan [
http://www.mendocinocog.org/pdf/ZEV/Mendocino%20County%20ZEV%20Regional%20Readiness%20Plan-accepted%208-19-2013.pdf
]:

Point Arena - May 26
Ukiah - May 27
Fort Bragg - June 2
Willits - June 3
Boonville - June 10

Flyer [
http://www.mendocinocog.org/pdf/ZEV/Community%20Forums%20-%20PEV%20Charging%20Stations-flyer5-5-2015.pdf
]
Map of proposed sites [
http://www.mendocinocog.org/pdf/ZEV/Map%20from%20Mendocino%20County%20ZEV%20Regional%20Readiness%20Plan-accepted%208-19-2013.pdf
]
Plan with appendices [
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[EVDL] EVLN: Plugins were three of David Letterman's top10 automotive moments

2015-05-22 Thread brucedp5 via EV


% Ford still has not seriously upgraded the Focus EV since that 2011 stage
ride %

http://www.autonews.com/article/20150518/BLOG06/150519889/celebrating-david-lettermans-top-10-automotive-moments
Celebrating David Letterman's top 10 automotive moments
nnaughton @crain.com  May 18, 2015

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Ford CEO Alan Mulally and David Letterman talked about Ford's electric car
plans. / CBS


videos
https://youtu.be/OZe5Mi0Vuuw
Bob Lutz on the Chevy Volt
General Motors  Jun 2, 2009
Bob Lutz talks about the Volt with Dave Letterman

https://youtu.be/vxBKG_9hQUE
Elon Musk takes a Letterman Slap 2014 Oct 14 21:48 cst
Sergei Romanoff  Oct 14, 2014
Will David Letterman apologize?

https://youtu.be/jKgalEqEBNo
Ford'sCEOElectricCar (Letterman)
Joy  Peace of Living  Aug 9, 2011
]

David Letterman’s professed passion for cars may not be on a par with that
of his former late-night TV rival, Jay Leno. But Letterman, whose final
“Late Show” airs Wednesday night, is quite a car buff, keeping his
collection hidden away, a CBS spokesman says.

And Letterman -- whose Top Ten List is a nightly segment -- featured plenty
of automotive follies during his 22 seasons as host of the CBS show.

In honor of his farewell show, we count down his top 10 automotive moments
...


9. Dave talks to Bob Lutz about the Chevrolet Volt [pih].

Lutz tells Letterman all about the Volt in 2009, when the prototype of the
plug-in hybrid was produced.

Highlight: An electrifying encounter with the Volt around 5:40 ...


7. Dave pokes fun at Tesla and self-driving cars.

Letterman shows what happens when he takes his foot off the accelerator and
lets go of the steering wheel.

Highlight: Audience silence when Letterman admits to driving an electric car
...


5. Dave, with Alan Mulally, drives Ford’s first all-electric vehicle across
the “Late Night” stage.

Ford’s CEO tells Letterman about the company’s all-electric Focus, and they
go for a quick spin.

Highlight: “Put your seat belt on, Dave!”

Honorable mention: Ever-cautious, Letterman is sure to use his turn signal
when turning out onto the stage ...
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Uber's secret auton-EV-lab revealed in bid to take on GoogleApple

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/mumbai/iit-bombay-team-unveils-electric-racing-car/article7216205.ece
IIT Bombay team unveils electric racing car
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Minnesota agency aims to expand workplace EV charging

http://www.nwitimes.com/business/columnists/gerry-dick/inside-indiana-business/article_b1764b56-b82d-5f9b-9927-8478dd8928e7.html
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[EVDL] EVLN: GenZe e-bicycle has the same batteries as a Tesla-S EV

2015-05-22 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://www.businessinsider.in/What-its-like-to-ride-an-electric-bike-that-uses-the-same-batteries-as-a-Tesla-Model-S/articleshow/47275304.cms
What it's like to ride an electric bike that uses the same batteries as a
Tesla Model S
Biz Carson0  May 14, 2015

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GenZe e-bikes at a rally before Silicon Valley Fashion Week

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The GenZe recreational e-bike

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The dashboard of the GenZe e-bike

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San Francisco e-bike riders in front of the Ferry Building


video  flash
]

I was terrified to try it. The last time I had been on a public bicycle was
in Seville, Spain, where I got hit by a motorcyclist who failed to look on a
turn. 

This time, I was climbing on an electronic bike with a motor of its own that
could take me up to 20 m.p.h. hurtling through the streets of San Francisco.
All I had to do was twist my right hand on the throttle. 

One reason people (like me) don't bike to work is safety. The other reason?
Sweat. Some people don't want to arrive drenched after they've traveled
across the city with a backpack stuck to their shirts.

E-bikes are starting to catch on in Europe, and now a company called GenZe,
based in Fremont, California, wants to popularize them here too. It makes
sense in a city that has hills, money, and workers, all in abundance.

GenZe's e-bike models use the same Samsung batteries as the Tesla Model S to
help supplement your pedaling. The battery is actually removable, so you can
take it out of the bike and charge it at work with a cord about the size of
your laptop charger.

The bike itself operates in two modes: pedal-assist or throttle only.

I started in the pedal-assist mode because that's how most people ride a
bike. On the e-bike, I immediately noticed the difference as I started
through an intersection. As you start pedaling, the motor engages and you
are gliding forward faster.

Think of it as using a moving sidewalk in an airport compared to just
walking alongside it - the moving sidewalk gets you there faster without
having to increase your effort.

Then there are the speeds, depending on how much assistance you want with
your pedaling. The higher the number, one through five, is the level of
thrust it will give.

I chickened out and set it to 1 in the beginning because I wanted it to feel
more like a bike. It is heavy at 45 pounds, and if you are pedaling, you can
feel a bit of the difference, especially trying to get it going. I was being
passed by most San Francisco bike commuters, although that could have been
my inexperience on the streets.

I eventually increased it to three on a few long straightaways so I could
travel at higher speeds. The higher the number, the more the motor will kick
in.

The dashboard of the GenZe e-bike shows you things like your speed and what
level of pedal-assist mode you are on. On the left handlebar is how you turn
on and off the motor as well as how you adjust the mode.

Eventually, I scaled the pedal-assist down to zero and let the bike do all
of it.

When you turn it into motor-only mode, you turn your right hand and it
accelerates. It takes a bit of coordination to switch into right hand
accelerating, left hand breaking, but I found that when I wasn't pedaling, I
kind of just sat and looked around, much like when you are in the driver's
seat of a car. The physical intensity (and mental distraction) of actually
riding a bike was gone.

This is perhaps one of its better uses: A no-workout, no-sweat mode of
commuting that's not putting you in the thick of traffic or down into the
subway. Of course, you can always turn on the pedal assist mode if you want
to feel like you're at least biking to work, not just riding atop one.

On San Francisco's hills, that extra bit of thrust would be helpful. 

However, even if you don't ride up the hills, you could get a pretty big
workout hauling a 45-pound bike upstairs into your apartment every night.
With its $1,499 price tag, this isn't one you want to leave in the street or
in the stairwell. 
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Re: [EVDL] $10k bounty on Tesla-S hacks entices tinkerers, aggravates Tesla

2015-05-22 Thread Collin Kidder via EV
Yes, the article that had a blurb on the original post was about an
app that uses the existing API. Tesla has no problem with that. There
was also a link to a story about the $10k hacking contest. This is
totally different. The goal of that contest is to gain unauthorized
access to a Tesla you don't own. Presumably it isn't that easy to do
that - at least we all hope. I'm sure that Tesla has gone to some
length to prevent something like that from happening.

Tesla probably does use code signing for the code that runs on their
central computer system. That would certainly make sense. But, there
isn't any need to break that in order to hack the car. Historically,
CANbus traffic has not been too terribly well secured. I can
personally attest to this. ;) The center console computer in the Tesla
has 6 CANbus links. It's possible to get at all of them from a
diagnostic connector right there in the center of the dash. Chances
are those buses are not that terribly secure. The biggest reason they
haven't been attacked is that far more hackers are comfortable with
wifi, ethernet, and computer tampering than are comfortable with CAN.
The Tesla does have some protection against attacks that would target
the drive train. For one, the accelerator pedal goes straight to the
inverter so there is likely no way to command the car to take off
without the pedal being pressed. Likewise, the inverter knows the
state of the brake pedal from digital inputs so that can't be spoofed
by comm traffic either. That's a reasonably old-school way to protect
the car but it could be fairly effective.

-Collin

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV
ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
 In this specific case, the facts don't line up with the hype and the 
 headlines.  The Tesla hacks haven't modified the vehicles at all.  The 
 application is using the same API that the smart phone apps use.  That allows 
 the program to unlock doors, open the sunroof, turn on the AC, and collect 
 data on location and battery state.  Not exactly much of a modification.

 If Tesla is smart, they have implemented code signing on their execution code 
 so they can detect and reject unauthorized changes.  We even do that for 
 laser printer code.  I'm sure that Tesla would do that with the code that 
 runs a high performance car.

 Mike


 On May 20, 2015 7:37:33 PM MDT, Alan Arrison via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
I am surprised that auto makers haven't locked down their systems with
encryption.
If they haven't yet they probably will if for no other reason than
liability issues.

Al

On 5/20/2015 4:50 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

 Every since the first cars rolled out of factories, owners have been
 modifying them to suit their own personal needs and tastes. With the
 extensive computer controls used in modern cars, people are now
finding a
 different way to do that.

 Certain Tesla Model S owners are giving their cars upgrades, but
instead of
 changing tires, brake calipers, or paint jobs, they’re changing
software.



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[EVDL] Tesla-S70D, The car of the century, now updated with more power AWD

2015-05-22 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-tesla-model-s-70d-instrumented-test-review
The car of the century, now updated with more power and AWD.
May 2015 By DON SHERMAN 

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2015 Tesla Model S 70D

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Instrumented Test
Tesla made history with the introduction of its Model S sports sedan
two-plus years ago, prompting approbation from car critics far and wide.
This was the breakthrough electric car the world had seemingly been waiting
for, offering attractive design, a remarkable interior, and entertaining
performance. The price—starting at about $60,000 before the $7500 federal
kickback—was far beyond the average household’s reach, and range anxiety
will always be a concern for any pure electric, but the S was a refreshing
interpretation of just how super a modern supersedan could be.

The recent expansion of the lineup to provide four distinct Model S, er,
models warrants an award grander than the 10Best Cars recognition we
bestowed upon the S earlier this year: our nomination for “Car of the 21st
Century” honors. Combining the aforementioned virtues with significant new
features and a modest increase in price makes the Tesla Model S 70D reviewed
here the new ultimate in four-door sedan engineering and technology. It’s
worth noting that the 70D replaces the Model S 60 that picked up our 10Best
accolade as the entry-level version. “D” signifies dual-motor all-wheel
drive; the only RWD Model S available now is the 85.

The 70D Rundown
As with the rest of its Model S lineup mates, the 70D has mostly aluminum
body and chassis construction, a battery pack built into the floor,
comfortable seating for five (or up to seven with the optional jump seats),
and attractive interior and exterior design. The huge, 17-inch touch screen
providing navigation, entertainment, and car information and control
functionality still smiles congenially from the center of the dash.

The big news here is a pair of 257-hp (Tesla’s before-the-transmission
rating, the post-gearbox rating is 329 combined horsepower) AC motors
driving all four wheels and a base price of $76,200 before federal tax
credits. A 70-kWh battery provides an EPA-rated 240-mile driving range; your
results will vary. Compared with the Signature Performance (P85) rear-driver
we tested more than two years ago, the new 70D is 177 pounds lighter and
delivers slightly poorer accelerating, braking, and cornering performance.
That said, it consumed less energy, achieved a higher top speed, and is a
bit quieter during acceleration and cruising. A major plus is the extra
confidence in adverse weather conditions provided by the 70D’s all-wheel
drive. (It improves in nearly all areas save for weight versus the
now-defunct, rear-drive Model S 60 we tested.)

Nearly 10 percent of our test car’s $83,950 bottom line was attributable to
optional embellishments: 19-inch wheels and tires ($2500), nicer seats
($2500), metallic paint ($1000), special wood interior trim ($750), and a
cold-weather package ($1000).

Crunching the Numbers
Comparing this 70D to Mercedes-Benz’s shot at world’s-best-sedan honors—the
S550 S-class—is revealing. In rear-drive form, the Mercedes has a slight
edge in acceleration and braking. The Tesla ties in cornering grip and wins
in top speed. The S550 provides more passenger room but with a less
hospitable center-rear seating position and only about 45 percent of the
Model S’s cargo space, which is divided between front and rear trunks. The
greatest difference between these epic rivals is price: The base S550 costs
$95,325 and crowds $100K with 4MATIC all-wheel drive, versus $83,950 (again,
before state and federal rebates) for the Model S 70D tested here. Of
course, the money you’ll likely need to invest upgrading your home and/or
office wiring for the fastest battery charging narrows the Tesla’s dollar
advantage.

Nearly everyone who taps the accelerator in any Tesla Model S to enjoy the
amusement-park surge becomes an instant electric-car convert. In raw
numbers, this is the ability to jump from 30 to 50 mph in two seconds flat,
and from 50 to 70 in 3.1 seconds with neither hesitation nor a gearchange
(the 449-hp RWD Mercedes S550 achieves these tasks in 2.9 and 3.4 seconds).
Then the reality sets in. To fully embrace any electric car, some lifestyle
rearranging is necessary. Spur-of-the-moment trips are unwise. The next
plug-in opportunity is always at the forefront of your consciousness.
Speeding up when you’re running late may force an unplanned stop for a jolt
of juice.


[EVDL] zero s 2011, repair manual

2015-05-22 Thread ken via EV

 I'm wanting to do an add on battery pack, and would like to find out how
theres controller/ dc to dc  is intgrated with the battery pack?

Whats the voltage of the pack etc.. is the bms in th battery box, etc..

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