Re: [EVDL] OT: Re: Leafs too cheap
On 17 Dec 2016 at 17:13, paul dove via EV wrote: > Typically, the full range of hearing can be reproduced using the frequencies > from 20 Hz to 20 KHz. Sound must be sampled at least double the highest > frequency present that needs to be reproduced, 44.1k (twice 20 kHz plus a > little extra) samples/second for good music quality. > > The average human ear can differentiate approximately 90dB of range from the > softest sounds to the loudest. Eight bits gives 48dB of range while 16 bits > gives 96 dB of range and is often used for sampling digital audio. The effective usable dynamic range in a car on the highway, even in an EV, is about 30-35dB. Below that the audio gets lost in the car's background noise. I'm confident that 8 bit quantization would be plenty in a car, though no one I know of uses it for auto music systems. Frequencies above around 10kHz will be masked by the background noise, too. A 32kHz sampling rate would be plenty for a car, though again, no one I know of uses it. In fact if you're over about 45 or 50 years old, chances are you can't hear anything over 15kHz anyway. (I could barely hear 18kHz when I was a teenager. Today my hearing falls off at around 15kHz, and I'm lucky it's that high.) And by the way, stereo FM radio's bandwidth is ... yep, 15kHz. What matters in a moving vehicle is not the sampling rate, or the bit depth (quantization). It's the encoding bit rate and algorithm. Nearly all digital audio sources, except for CDs, use some kind of data compression. (MP3 and AAC are common examples.) The higher the compression, the lower the bit rate, and the more you can store on a given medium, BUT the more audio information is lost. This loss of audio information causes audible compression "artifacts." Artifacts are kind of hard to describe. To my ears it's a watery or burbling effect, or a sort of grainy noise that seems to surround certain kinds of sound. For very high bit rates and sophisticated compression algorithms, this effect is slight. In a car, it might even be inaudible at those high bit rates. For low rates, it's much more apt to be audible, though I've found that some people notice it more than others. To make things worse, audio that's been digitally compressed, decompressed, and then compressed and decompressed a second time (or more) sounds a LOT worse. The loss of quality doesn't just add. Data compression algorithms interact with each other, and not in a good way. So if you're listening to mp3 files (which are compressed) through bluetooth (which is also compressed*), you lose more quality than the sum of the two would suggest. I'm probably not explaining this very well, but the upshot is that bluetooth really does make your music sound worse than a good, clean wired connection will. So what does all this have to do with EVs? EVs are quieter than ICEVs, and without engine noise and vibration, they have a different noise profile. Thus it's worth putting more effort into getting good sound in an EV than in an ICEV. For that reason I recommend that you avoid using bluetooth and its secondary digital audio data compression in your EV. *Recent versions of BT claim that their audio compression is "lossless" or "CD quality." This is demonstrably untrue. Yes, it's less "lossy" than earlier BT versions, but it's still not true CD quality (uncompressed PCM). David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] OT:Re: Re: Leafs too cheap
Let's agree that there is a lot of disagreement over meaningful sampling rates - I and others believe that higher rates sound better. And while I did mark this diversion OT, I think a discussion of sampling rates is far beyond what I intended in suggesting better sound from a cables connection than BT. My suggestion is that whether the OP wants to use a cable or BT connection, his aux input shouldn't be having the problems he sees, and that the dealer should fix the problem. It's broken. And then, when it's working correctly, let his own ears decide. That being said, in my own car, I use a cable, except when it's more convenient to use BT. Sometimes the sound quality degradation is worth the convenience at that particular time. Sent from AltaMail From: paul dove via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT: Re: Leafs too cheap Date: 12/17/16, 3:13 PM Typically, the full range of hearing can be reproduced using the frequencies from 20 Hz to 20 KHz. Sound must be sampled at least double the highest frequency present that needs to be reproduced, 44.1k (twice 20 kHz plus a little extra) samples/second for good music quality. The average human ear can differentiate approximately 90dB of range from the softest sounds to the loudest. Eight bits gives 48dB of range while 16 bits gives 96 dB of range and is often used for sampling digital audio. Modern BT can achieve 328kb/s easily competing with wire. Sent from my iPhone >> On Dec 17, 2016, at 10:23 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> >> wrote: >> >> On 17 Dec 2016 at 8:36, paul dove via EV wrote: >> >> The human ear cannot usually detect the differences > > Not to send this too far off topic, but it depends on WHOSE ear. It's an > individual matter. For example, I don't consider myself a "golden-ear," but > I seem to be unusually sensitive to data compression artifacts in audio. I > can definitely hear the difference. > > That said, in a moving car, the noise masks a lot of the difference -- > though probably less in an EV with no enginre noise. > > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > EVDL Administrator > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my > email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161217/c9138957/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161217/543629b5/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] J1772 cable
This company is in the Czech Republic. According to their 'Transportation Price List', the cost to ship 1kg is $59, 10kg is $85. The cost of the plug and cord, including VAT, is $83.49, so the cost is at least $142. 49, not including the customs you will pay or couple weeks it will take to get here... TucsonEV.com will send you a J1772 Plug with 20ft of 30A cord for $125 plus shipping, $18.75 for a total of $143.75 and you'll have it within a week Rush Dougherty www.TucsonEV.com > -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of via EV > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 1:37 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: [EVDL] J1772 cable > > I found this low cost cable and wondered if anybody has dealt with this company?EV-Power | > J1772 Plug for EV car L2 charging (16 Amp - 5 meters, no electronics) - SALE! > > > | > | > | > | || > >| > > | > | > | | > EV-Power | J1772 Plug for EV car L2 charging (16 Amp - 5 meters, no electro... > By Global World Logistic Ltd. http://www.ev-power.eu J1772 Plug for EV car L2 charging (16 > Amp - 5 meters, no electronics) - SALE - SAE J1772 EV Plug with 5 meter ca... | | > > | > > | > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev- > evdl.org/attachments/20161217/2b2e7fe4/attachment.htm> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] OT: Re: Leafs too cheap
Paul, I think your analysis shows BT does not match a wired connection. 44K * 16b = 704kb/s, roughly double 328kb/s And that's assuming a perfect signal - no packet loss. Now, if you transmit MP3, which is highly compressed, you probably could use BT just fine. But, personally, I can hear the difference between MP3 and uncompressed for some types of music, like classical. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "paul dove via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> Cc: Sent: 17-Dec-16 3:13:11 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT: Re: Leafs too cheap Typically, the full range of hearing can be reproduced using the frequencies from 20 Hz to 20 KHz. Sound must be sampled at least double the highest frequency present that needs to be reproduced, 44.1k (twice 20 kHz plus a little extra) samples/second for good music quality. The average human ear can differentiate approximately 90dB of range from the softest sounds to the loudest. Eight bits gives 48dB of range while 16 bits gives 96 dB of range and is often used for sampling digital audio. Modern BT can achieve 328kb/s easily competing with wire. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2016, at 10:23 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: On 17 Dec 2016 at 8:36, paul dove via EV wrote: The human ear cannot usually detect the differences Not to send this too far off topic, but it depends on WHOSE ear. It's an individual matter. For example, I don't consider myself a "golden-ear," but I seem to be unusually sensitive to data compression artifacts in audio. I can definitely hear the difference. That said, in a moving car, the noise masks a lot of the difference -- though probably less in an EV with no enginre noise. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161217/c9138957/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] OT: Re: Leafs too cheap
Typically, the full range of hearing can be reproduced using the frequencies from 20 Hz to 20 KHz. Sound must be sampled at least double the highest frequency present that needs to be reproduced, 44.1k (twice 20 kHz plus a little extra) samples/second for good music quality. The average human ear can differentiate approximately 90dB of range from the softest sounds to the loudest. Eight bits gives 48dB of range while 16 bits gives 96 dB of range and is often used for sampling digital audio. Modern BT can achieve 328kb/s easily competing with wire. Sent from my iPhone >> On Dec 17, 2016, at 10:23 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> >> wrote: >> >> On 17 Dec 2016 at 8:36, paul dove via EV wrote: >> >> The human ear cannot usually detect the differences > > Not to send this too far off topic, but it depends on WHOSE ear. It's an > individual matter. For example, I don't consider myself a "golden-ear," but > I seem to be unusually sensitive to data compression artifacts in audio. I > can definitely hear the difference. > > That said, in a moving car, the noise masks a lot of the difference -- > though probably less in an EV with no enginre noise. > > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > EVDL Administrator > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my > email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161217/c9138957/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] OT: Re: Leafs too cheap
I should have said "when working properly and not defective." I would take it in. But, as was pointed out, it depends upon whose ear is listening, and the operating conditions. Hear it or not, if it's broken, that's not acceptable. Sent from AltaMail From: Lawrence Rhodes <primobass...@sbcglobal.net> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> CC: "ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org" <ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org> Subject: Re: OT: Re: [EVDL] Leafs too cheap Date: 12/17/16, 9:46 AM Oh contrareI am having all kinds of bad noise/missing channel, hum and problems with my aux plug in. Bluetooth is so much cleaner in practice. Lawrence Rhodes From: Mark Abramowitz <ma...@enviropolicy.com> To: Lawrence Rhodes <primobass...@sbcglobal.net>; Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Cc: "ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org" <ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 5:15 AM Subject: OT: Re: [EVDL] Leafs too cheap Blutooth sound is certainly convenient, but the sound quality won't match a direct cord connection...theoretically. It depends on the system whether and under what conditions you will notice it.Sent from AltaMailFrom: Lawrence Rhodes via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>To: "ev@lists.evdl.org" <ev@lists.evdl.org>, "ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org" <ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leafs too cheapDate: 12/16/16, 8:31 AM 7740 + 9000 - 2500 = 14240 if he buys it after the lease Sent from my iPhone Actually 215 includes all taxes licences etc. also service for three years. 35 payments as Nissan pays the first payment. 9k buy back at end of lease. Discount for being a 2016 model and not the 2017. Seems to be the same car. Plus this S model has cruise control which is very good for going up hills at a set speed. Bluetooth audio. My 2013 S model has Bluetooth only for phone calls. Must use a cord on aux to listen to your cell phone. Get Nissan no pay to charge card. 2500 from California State Government. So 215x35 plus 9k minus 2500 = 14,025. Yes I was off a bit. Main difference between the S and SV seems to be the wheels. I got hubcaps. Lawrence Rhodes...you could minus the 1,800 dollars my 45mpg car would cost.nah...-- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161216/762f30f 3/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part ------ An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161217/7ba5c288/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] J1772 cable
I ended up going with this,https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TPSP760/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8=1 I really didn't want to full with the DIY pilot signal generators. I already have 240V in the garage and I can take this cable with me in the carry case. This is for a 2014 Volt, so I think the current will be less than 16A. On Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:46 PM, Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: Hi Rod, at 16Amp this cable is good for charging an early Leaf or making a 110V "trickle" charger, not for full L2 charging. I have never dealt with this company, but I presume that the low Amperage of the cables are the reason for the low price. Note that there was an issue with some EVSE vendor cables that were not crimped to spec and caused overheating in the plug, which can damage the inlet of the car, so if you go with this cable do make sure to inspect the crimping of the contacts in the plug and if necessary re-solder them to make sure they do not more damage than you save with the discount cable. (Note: I have bought a similar discount cable from somewhere else myself and I will make sure to inspect the plug's crimping before putting it into service) Be safe, Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info http://www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of via EV Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 12:37 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: [EVDL] J1772 cable I found this low cost cable and wondered if anybody has dealt with this company?EV-Power | J1772 Plug for EV car L2 charging (16 Amp - 5 meters, no electronics) - SALE! | | | | | | | | | | | EV-Power | J1772 Plug for EV car L2 charging (16 Amp - 5 meters, no electro... By Global World Logistic Ltd. http://www.ev-power.eu J1772 Plug for EV car L2 charging (16 Amp - 5 meters, no electronics) - SALE - SAE J1772 EV Plug with 5 meter ca... | | | | -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161217/2b2e 7fe4/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161217/5fbf8b06/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] J1772 cable
Hi Rod, at 16Amp this cable is good for charging an early Leaf or making a 110V "trickle" charger, not for full L2 charging. I have never dealt with this company, but I presume that the low Amperage of the cables are the reason for the low price. Note that there was an issue with some EVSE vendor cables that were not crimped to spec and caused overheating in the plug, which can damage the inlet of the car, so if you go with this cable do make sure to inspect the crimping of the contacts in the plug and if necessary re-solder them to make sure they do not more damage than you save with the discount cable. (Note: I have bought a similar discount cable from somewhere else myself and I will make sure to inspect the plug's crimping before putting it into service) Be safe, Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130private: cvandewater.info http://www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of via EV Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 12:37 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: [EVDL] J1772 cable I found this low cost cable and wondered if anybody has dealt with this company?EV-Power | J1772 Plug for EV car L2 charging (16 Amp - 5 meters, no electronics) - SALE! | | | | || | | | | | EV-Power | J1772 Plug for EV car L2 charging (16 Amp - 5 meters, no electro... By Global World Logistic Ltd. http://www.ev-power.eu J1772 Plug for EV car L2 charging (16 Amp - 5 meters, no electronics) - SALE - SAE J1772 EV Plug with 5 meter ca... | | | | -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161217/2b2e 7fe4/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] J1772 cable
I found this low cost cable and wondered if anybody has dealt with this company?EV-Power | J1772 Plug for EV car L2 charging (16 Amp - 5 meters, no electronics) - SALE! | | | | || | | | | | EV-Power | J1772 Plug for EV car L2 charging (16 Amp - 5 meters, no electro... By Global World Logistic Ltd. http://www.ev-power.eu J1772 Plug for EV car L2 charging (16 Amp - 5 meters, no electronics) - SALE - SAE J1772 EV Plug with 5 meter ca... | | | | -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161217/2b2e7fe4/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] OT EVcompetition> 76.6mpg 2017 Kia Niro hev Guinness Record (v)
% *This topic is OT, please keep discussions EV related
This might be just what donald would use to limit EV support/incentives(?)
This was posted so EVangels can keep their eye on this EV market
competition.
Los Angeles, CA City Hall to NYC, NY City Hall:
3,715.4mi / 48.5gals of gas = 76.6mpg
compare to
2017 Toyota Prius $24.7k MPG: Up to 58 city / 53 highway
%
http://www.autoworldnews.com/articles/24748/20161217/2017-kia-niro-sets-guinness-world-record-lowest-fuel-consumption.htm
2017 Kia Niro Sets Guinness World Record For Lowest Fuel ...
Dec 17, 2016 The 2017 Kia Niro set a Guinness record for most economical
car after it ... Powered by a 1.6-liter-four-cylinder and 43hp electric
motor, the 2017 Kia Niro has ...
https://youtu.be/QFr4GzyxbRA
http://www.kia-world.net/2017-kia-niro-hybrid-electric-car/
... Niro hybrid specs
Kia has revealed it plans to launch the Niro a a hybrid car and a plug-in
hybrid ... 32-kilowatt electric motor and a 1.56 kilowatt-hour
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Re: [EVDL] OT: Re: Leafs too cheap
Oh contrareI am having all kinds of bad noise/missing channel, hum and
problems with my aux plug in. Bluetooth is so much cleaner in practice.
Lawrence Rhodes
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Subject: OT: Re: [EVDL] Leafs too cheap
#yiv9239723320 body {background-color:transparent;}Blutooth sound is certainly
convenient, but the sound quality won't match a direct cord
connection...theoretically. It depends on the system whether and under what
conditions you will notice it.
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7740 + 9000 - 2500 = 14240 if he buys it after the lease
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Actually 215 includes all taxes licences etc. also service for three years. 35
payments as Nissan pays the first payment. 9k buy back at end of lease.
Discount for being a 2016 model and not the 2017. Seems to be the same car.
Plus this S model has cruise control which is very good for going up hills at a
set speed. Bluetooth audio. My 2013 S model has Bluetooth only for phone
calls. Must use a cord on aux to listen to your cell phone. Get Nissan no pay
to charge card. 2500 from California State Government. So 215x35 plus 9k
minus 2500 = 14,025. Yes I was off a bit. Main difference between the S and SV
seems to be the wheels. I got hubcaps. Lawrence Rhodes...you could minus the
1,800 dollars my 45mpg car would cost.nah...
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Re: [EVDL] OT: Re: Leafs too cheap
In a car, less likely, but yes it can be detected. But it really depends. I've personally been able to detect a difference, though not always. It also depends on the car's electronics. Sent from AltaMail From: paul dove <dov...@bellsouth.net> To: ma...@enviropolicy.com, Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT: Re: Leafs too cheap Date: 12/17/16, 6:36 AM The human ear cannot usually detect the differences Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote: > > Blutooth sound is certainly convenient, but the sound quality won't match a > direct cord connection...theoretically. It depends on the system whether and > under what conditions you will notice it. > > > Sent from AltaMail > > > From: Lawrence Rhodes via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: "ev@lists.evdl.org" > <ev@lists.evdl.org>,"ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org" > <ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leafs too cheap Date: > 12/16/16, 8:31 AM > > > > > > > 7740 + 9000 - 2500 = 14240 if he buys it after the lease > > Sent from my iPhone > Actually 215 includes all taxes licences etc. also service for three years. > 35 payments as Nissan pays the first payment. 9k buy back at end of lease. > Discount for being a 2016 model and not the 2017. Seems to be the same car. > Plus this S model has cruise control which is very good for going up hills at > a set speed. Bluetooth audio. My 2013 S model has Bluetooth only for phone > calls. Must use a cord on aux to listen to your cell phone. Get Nissan no > pay to charge card. 2500 from California State Government. So 215x35 plus > 9k minus 2500 = 14,025. Yes I was off a bit. Main difference between the S > and SV seems to be the wheels. I got hubcaps. Lawrence Rhodes...you could > minus the 1,800 dollars my 45mpg car would cost.nah... > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161216/762f30f3/attachment.htm> > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161217/3e213f81/attachment.htm> > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161217/ea6620c2/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] OT: Re: Leafs too cheap
The human ear cannot usually detect the differences Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > Blutooth sound is certainly convenient, but the sound quality won't match a > direct cord connection...theoretically. It depends on the system whether and > under what conditions you will notice it. > > > Sent from AltaMail > > > From: Lawrence Rhodes via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: "ev@lists.evdl.org" > <ev@lists.evdl.org>,"ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org" > <ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leafs too cheap Date: > 12/16/16, 8:31 AM > > > > > > > 7740 + 9000 - 2500 = 14240 if he buys it after the lease > > Sent from my iPhone > Actually 215 includes all taxes licences etc. also service for three years. > 35 payments as Nissan pays the first payment. 9k buy back at end of lease. > Discount for being a 2016 model and not the 2017. Seems to be the same car. > Plus this S model has cruise control which is very good for going up hills at > a set speed. Bluetooth audio. My 2013 S model has Bluetooth only for phone > calls. Must use a cord on aux to listen to your cell phone. Get Nissan no > pay to charge card. 2500 from California State Government. So 215x35 plus > 9k minus 2500 = 14,025. Yes I was off a bit. Main difference between the S > and SV seems to be the wheels. I got hubcaps. Lawrence Rhodes...you could > minus the 1,800 dollars my 45mpg car would cost.nah... > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161216/762f30f3/attachment.htm> > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161217/3e213f81/attachment.htm> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Ford Focus EV battery for conversion?
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[EVDL] OT: Re: Leafs too cheap
Blutooth sound is certainly convenient, but the sound quality won't match a direct cord connection...theoretically. It depends on the system whether and under what conditions you will notice it. Sent from AltaMail From: Lawrence Rhodes via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: "ev@lists.evdl.org" <ev@lists.evdl.org>,"ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org" <ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leafs too cheap Date: 12/16/16, 8:31 AM 7740 + 9000 - 2500 = 14240 if he buys it after the lease Sent from my iPhone Actually 215 includes all taxes licences etc. also service for three years. 35 payments as Nissan pays the first payment. 9k buy back at end of lease. Discount for being a 2016 model and not the 2017. Seems to be the same car. Plus this S model has cruise control which is very good for going up hills at a set speed. Bluetooth audio. My 2013 S model has Bluetooth only for phone calls. Must use a cord on aux to listen to your cell phone. Get Nissan no pay to charge card. 2500 from California State Government. So 215x35 plus 9k minus 2500 = 14,025. Yes I was off a bit. Main difference between the S and SV seems to be the wheels. I got hubcaps. Lawrence Rhodes...you could minus the 1,800 dollars my 45mpg car would cost.nah... -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161216/762f30f3/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161217/3e213f81/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-CAD4X-Lab-e-Jeep-challenges-ice-Jeeps-climbing-over-slippery-wet-rough-terrain-td4684880.html
EVLN: CAD4X Lab e-Jeep challenges ice-Jeeps climbing over slippery wet rough
terrain
... brainiacs in Korea have already revolutionized the current model by
giving it electric power ... happened to find out about these Jeeps this
week from ... EV West, a company converting classic cars to electric power
in ...
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EVLN: CA$10k Ultra Beast e-ATV 3motor 2pack Android tablet instrument
cluster r:120km
Electric ATV is ready to create a buzz
Its latest creation is the fully-electric all-wheel-drive Ultra Beast ATV.
... According to Daymak, a single charge of those two packs is good for a
range of up to ...
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EVLN: Supercapacitors could charge EVs 'in seconds'> (inve$tment trolling)
Home International Supercapacitor revolution could help ... Augmented Optics
Ltd and Supercapacitor Materials Ltd ... “We are now actively seeking
commercial partners ...
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EVLN: C sez> GM EV-1 Ad Finally Rings True—20 Years After It Aired (v)
There are no people around, but the household appliances, all the electrical
... as the commercial concludes with a single line of dialogue: “The
electric car . . . is ...
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Tesla ice'd by toothless Hong_Kong.cn government> no fines nor tow-away for
ice'd spots
E-car parking in Hong Kong badly enforced, auto group charges
For example, The Peak Galleria's car park, owned by Hang Lung Properties,
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Re: [EVDL] A. D. Little guys report
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% A search using "Arthur D. Little" electric car gave items one of which
is below.
For me the bottom line is that these 'Little' guys are like those public
school nerdy kids that got regularly beat up because they kept sticking
their nose where it did not belong, nor was wanted (they said or exclaimed
stuff that eventually was found to be not true, though they came off
sounding like they were the know-it-all experts).
IMO, these guys are easily bought off to say what you want, for your cause,
for a price.
Below is one item the Little guys could not have been more wrong about.
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http://www.electronicsweekly.com/blogs/mannerisms/yarns/transistor-making-best-left-jewellers-2016-12/
Transistor-Making Best Left To Jewellers
9th December 2016 David Manners
The founder of Sprague Electric, Robert Sprague, had a brother, Julian, who
was made vp of sales.
Unlike his visionary, risk-taker brother who wanted to grow the company,
Julian was a risk-averse, profit-oriented person.
He hated his brother’s foray into semiconductors when Sprague licensed
Bell’s point contact transistor in 1952.
So Julian hired Arthur D Little to look at the initiative.
“Transistors are so complicated and small,” reported Arthur D Little, “that
they are a job for watchmakers, not for Sprague Electric Company.”
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Sprague Electric Company
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_C._Sprague
... With advances in transistor and integrated circuit technology (later
computer chips) ... Sprague Electric components had a long history of name
recognition, quality and brand loyalty ...
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