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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Musk walked-back on PV roof option> too small a surface
(Eight hours of charging Tesla’s Model 3 from a wall socket will
give you your expected 200-plus miles of range.)
Someone's math is off. You can only get 1KW/h from a wall socket. Maybe 30
miles in 8 hours.
On Saturday, December 8, 2018, 8:05:15 PM CST, brucedp5 via EV
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https://qz.com/1482588/why-teslas-dont-and-cant-have-solar-roofs/
Why Teslas don’t—and can’t—have solar roofs
December 3, 2018 Kabir Chibber
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It’s a pretty intuitive question. “Why don’t electric cars have solar
roof[s?]” asked one person in the “No Stupid Questions” area of Reddit.
“Wouldn’t it make sense to have a self sustaining charging capabilities.”
There are similar questions on Quora and elsewhere.
Teslas and other cars run off electricity, drawing from an electric-power
infrastructure that often runs off of dirty fuels. Solar power generates
lots of electricity for free from the sun. Why don’t electric cars have
solar roofs to power them for free?
For one thing, the math makes it quite difficult. Elon Musk briefly
suggested that solar roofs would be an option for the Tesla Model 3, but
later walked it back and explained why. “Putting solar panels on the car
itself?” Musk said in July 2017. “Not that helpful, because the actual
surface of the car is not that much, and cars are often inside. The least
efficient place to put solar is on the car.” It turns out that he had meant
a solar roof that unfolds from the trunk and overs the current car hood.
A Tesla rival, the Karma Revero, actually has a solar roof as an option. As
Wired noted (paywall), modern solar panels are inefficient and convert just
15-20% of the energy that reaches them. So that Revero solar roof, having
received eight hours of pure sunshine, will generate enough power to drive
1.5 miles. (Eight hours of charging Tesla’s Model 3 from a wall socket will
give you your expected 200-plus miles of range.)
On Quora, Chris Harget, a product-marketing manager in the Bay Area,
summarizes the problems (emphasis added by him):
The top of an electric car has maybe 3–5 square meters of flat space.
Solar panels, even at high noon, usually only produce about 200
watt-hours per square meter.
The most efficient production electric vehicles today (probably the
Hyundai Ioniq and the Tesla Mod 3) would only be able to travel 2–4 miles on
that amount of electricity…in an hour. Most people could walk faster.
Financially, the cost of the panels and electronics, R and assembly
would never pay for itself in the life of the vehicle, compared to charging
from the wall in your garage.
That doesn’t mean no one is trying. There’s a German startup called Sono
Motors that wants to build cars with solar panels. Toyota last year
announced that upcoming Prius hybrid cars would come with Panasonic solar
roofs (paywall).
Still, even as solar panels become more common and more efficient, they
won’t be on most cars anytime soon.
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Musk walked-back on PV roof option> too small a surface
Finally someone sets it straight regarding solar panels on car roofs. On 12/8/2018 9:05 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: https://qz.com/1482588/why-teslas-dont-and-cant-have-solar-roofs/ Why Teslas don’t—and can’t—have solar roofs December 3, 2018 Kabir Chibber [images https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/RTX1A0WZ.jpg The only solar-powered cars that work https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/RTS1WEN8.jpg The Sono prototype / REUTERS/Andreas Gebert ] It’s a pretty intuitive question. “Why don’t electric cars have solar roof[s?]” asked one person in the “No Stupid Questions” area of Reddit. “Wouldn’t it make sense to have a self sustaining charging capabilities.” There are similar questions on Quora and elsewhere. T ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: 60kWh Leaf w/o liquid-cooling> (more pre-aged packs?)
https://www.electrive.com/2018/12/04/exclusive-long-range-leaf-to-debut-without-liquid-cooling/
Exclusive: 60kWh Leaf to debut without liquid-cooling
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Nissan has set a new date for finally introducing the lastly delayed new
Leaf EV with 60 kWh battery. Our colleagues in Germany gathered information
in dealer circles, more precisely at a Nissan event last night. There the
Japanese carmaker informed its partners that the Leaf will debut at the CES
in Las Vegas on January, 8.
The 2019 Nissan Leaf with indeed the long expected bigger battery will then
go on sale in Europe starting in May. It will also feature an increased DC
charging capacity, but without liquid cooling.
Information about the new Leaf, also dubbed the ‘E-Plus’, consolidated
recently. Despite the cancellation of the initial presentation due to
allegations of misconduct against the former Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn, Nissan
now set a new date for the presentation at the Consumer Electronics Show in
Las Vegas, USA.
Yet, not all is new for the Nissan Leaf 2019, i.e. the change is not so much
in the appearance. It is the inner life that counts so to speak and that has
been confirmed in said battery pack with a usable capacity of 60 kilowatt
hours. As a kind of useful “waste product”, a higher direct current charging
capacity has been added as well. Thus Nissan doubles charging capacity to a
new 100 kW with the Leaf E-Plus.
When this information was conveyed at an event for Nissan dealers yesterday,
a whisper could be heard across the rows as it became clear that the 60 kWh
battery will have to go along without liquid cooling. The lack of such
active heat dissipation had already led to the issue known as Rapidgate on
social media. Back then, the current battery generation (40 kWh) exhibited
problems with repeated DC charging, especially in hot climates. The
necessary reduction in charging capacity in turn led to significantly longer
charging times – a nuisance on long journeys, as the editors of
electrive.net had to find more than once.
Supposedly, Nissan is trying to tackle the issue, at least a little. As with
the electric transporter e-NV200, an additional fan is to give the battery a
breath of fresh air during the DC charging process. It remains to be seen
whether this will be sufficient to actually experience the 100 kW charging
power specified in theory so far. The Japanese will continue to use the
CHAdeMO fast-charging standard.
Meanwhile, Nissan had confirmed to use cells from LG Chem for the new
version and in future already. In addition, the Leaf E-Plus also comes with
an improved performance, up from 110 to 149 kW.
The 60 kWh Nissan Leaf will arrive in Europe in May 2019. The larger battery
will cost electric car drivers an additional 5,800 euros. Still, the
previous battery version of the Nissan Leaf electric car will remain
available.
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[EVDL] EVLN: goelectriccalgary.com converter was oilpatch.ca engineer
'General Motors hiring Canadian university students to transition to
electric, self-driving cars'
https://globalnews.ca/news/4713170/calgary-used-electric-car-dealership/
Gil Tucker
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WATCH: It’s a tough choice so many Albertans are facing these days: laid off
from the energy industry, wondering what comes next. For one Calgary man, it
means a real career change, down a new path away from oil and gas. Gil
Tucker reports
]
Since he was a boy, Jim Steil has always enjoyed working with his hands and
making things.
Now the talents he’s picked up are leading him in a new career direction,
away from oil and gas toward more reliance on electric power.
“I’ve been a tinkerer my whole life,” Steil said. “When I was 15 years old I
had my own little business in the garage and we were fixing bicycles.”
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After going on to study engineering, Steil decided to become a high school
teacher — a job that led to a lot of international adventures.
“For 10 years I travelled around the world,” Steil said. “I taught in school
in Australia, Hawaii, England, Ireland.”
READ MORE: Calgary filmmaker’s story of layoffs in energy industry hits
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Returning to Calgary, he spent 15 years in the energy industry.
“I drilled about 300 oil wells all over Alberta, Saskatchewan and B.C.,”
Steil said. “And then one day I got laid off, so I decided to start a
business.”
It’s led to him opening Alberta’s first used electric car dealership,
GoElectric, in southwest Calgary.
“We are the only guys between Vancouver and Nova Scotia… actually doing
this,” Steil said.
Setting out to build up his fleet of vehicles, he discovered that importing
used ones from California makes the most business sense.
“Down there, bless their hearts, they have a $10,000 USD incentive on
electric cars,” Steil said. “So that drops the price on used electric cars
also down about $10,000 USD — like a lot of money.”
READ MORE: The latest and best electric cars you can buy right now [
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GoElectric also converts clients’ conventional vehicles to electric and
hopes to soon be helping others complete do-it-yourself conversion projects.
“We’re going to set up a workshop,” Steil said. “So that people can covert
their own cars and turn them into electric cars.”
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[EVDL] EVLN: Venturi Antarctica cold-resistant nEV r:45km ts:20kph
https://thedriven.io/2018/12/04/this-pure-electric-vehicle-will-explore-antarctica-pollution-free/
This pure electric vehicle will explore Antarctica pollution-free
December 4, 20182 Bridie Schmidt
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French electric car maker Venturi has unveiled a specialised battery
electric vehicle prototype in Monaco that it has designed to explore
Antarctica – without leaving a trace of pollution.
Part of a project initiated by the principality’s Prince Albert II, the
tank-like vehicle (aptly named Antarctica!) with caterpillar track can
travel a total distance of around 45km, at a speed of 20km/hr on a single
charge.
The vehicle can also recharge its batteries solely using wind turbines and
solar panels, for example at the Belgian research station, making it an
environmentally alternative to the damaging diesel-powered vehicles
currently used in the fragile and scientifically significant landscape.
“Through this extremely high-tech project, the teams at Venturi Automobiles
are offering a concrete and innovative response to stations based in the
Antarctic, and the Foundation is happy to be able to support this remarkable
initiative,” said Bernard Fautrier, vice president and CEO of the Prince
Albert II Foundation, in a statement.
“By giving scientists a clean, economical and efficient means of transport,
Venturi will help to improve research conditions on the ground, providing a
sustainable solution for conveying equipment to study sites.”
Before it is taken to the South Pole to assist in essential climate research
projects, the EV is first scheduled to conduct full-scale tests in Canada’s
far north in the Telegraph Creek region in March 2019.
“When I visited about 20 scientific research stations in 2009 in Antarctica,
I realised that they did not have ‘clean’ vehicles to move, to transport
materials, even for short distances. Nobody had thought about this aspect
yet,” Prince Albert II told AFP on Friday (translated from French).
“It’s a very targeted market, but if we can make utilitarian electric
vehicles that are solid and resistant to the cold, it can have interesting
applications, even military ones,” added Prince Albert, who created the
eponymous environmental foundation in 2006.
Venturi Automobiles CEO Gildo Pastor said he was confident that the
vehicle’s batteries would be able to stand up to the Antarctic temperatures
of up to -50 ° C.
“We have found innovative solutions and we are patenting,” he assured (also
translated from French).
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https://qz.com/1482588/why-teslas-dont-and-cant-have-solar-roofs/
Why Teslas don’t—and can’t—have solar roofs
December 3, 2018 Kabir Chibber
[images
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The only solar-powered cars that work
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The Sono prototype / REUTERS/Andreas Gebert
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It’s a pretty intuitive question. “Why don’t electric cars have solar
roof[s?]” asked one person in the “No Stupid Questions” area of Reddit.
“Wouldn’t it make sense to have a self sustaining charging capabilities.”
There are similar questions on Quora and elsewhere.
Teslas and other cars run off electricity, drawing from an electric-power
infrastructure that often runs off of dirty fuels. Solar power generates
lots of electricity for free from the sun. Why don’t electric cars have
solar roofs to power them for free?
For one thing, the math makes it quite difficult. Elon Musk briefly
suggested that solar roofs would be an option for the Tesla Model 3, but
later walked it back and explained why. “Putting solar panels on the car
itself?” Musk said in July 2017. “Not that helpful, because the actual
surface of the car is not that much, and cars are often inside. The least
efficient place to put solar is on the car.” It turns out that he had meant
a solar roof that unfolds from the trunk and overs the current car hood.
A Tesla rival, the Karma Revero, actually has a solar roof as an option. As
Wired noted (paywall), modern solar panels are inefficient and convert just
15-20% of the energy that reaches them. So that Revero solar roof, having
received eight hours of pure sunshine, will generate enough power to drive
1.5 miles. (Eight hours of charging Tesla’s Model 3 from a wall socket will
give you your expected 200-plus miles of range.)
On Quora, Chris Harget, a product-marketing manager in the Bay Area,
summarizes the problems (emphasis added by him):
The top of an electric car has maybe 3–5 square meters of flat space.
Solar panels, even at high noon, usually only produce about 200
watt-hours per square meter.
The most efficient production electric vehicles today (probably the
Hyundai Ioniq and the Tesla Mod 3) would only be able to travel 2–4 miles on
that amount of electricity…in an hour. Most people could walk faster.
Financially, the cost of the panels and electronics, R and assembly
would never pay for itself in the life of the vehicle, compared to charging
from the wall in your garage.
That doesn’t mean no one is trying. There’s a German startup called Sono
Motors that wants to build cars with solar panels. Toyota last year
announced that upcoming Prius hybrid cars would come with Panasonic solar
roofs (paywall).
Still, even as solar panels become more common and more efficient, they
won’t be on most cars anytime soon.
[© qz.com]
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I can't make an EV as well as Nissan does. However that said I bet with some small modification you could fit a Leaf drive train and batteries in a Ford Aspire. Bet it'd go 150 miles on a charge. That is with a 24kw pack. Lots of possibilities but I'd rather not if I didn't have to. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181208/7c41e6c1/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
