[EVDL] Tesla under staffing shorted some on EV-tax-credit> (ask4 rubber floor mats)

[brucedp5 via EV]

https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/networth/article/Tesla-left-car-buyer-out-in-the-cold-14966595.php
Tesla left car buyer out in the cold
Jan. 11, 2020  Kathleen Pender

[images  / Ellen Fader
https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/07/74/21/18859106/9/gallery_xlarge.jpg
Tesla customers lined up at the company’s plant in Fremont on New Year’s
Eve.  1of6Tesla customers lined up at the company’s plant in Fremont on New
Year’s Eve

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2of6Tesla customers lined up at the company’s plant in Fremont on New Year's
Eve, hoping to take delivery of a car before a federal tax credit on Tesla
electric vehicles expired at the end of 2019

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/07/74/21/18859107/5/gallery_xlarge.jpg
3of6Tesla handed out toy cars like this one to people waiting for delivery
of a real model on New Year’s Eve at the Fremont factory

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4of6Tesla customers lined up at the company’s plant in Fremont on New Year’s
Eve

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5of6 Ellen Fader prepares to commute to work in her new Tesla Model 3 in
Oakland that was delivered too late to get the tax credit. / Paul Chinn /
The Chronicle

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/07/75/22/18863249/5/gallery_xlarge.jpg
6of6 Fader shows the toy Tesla she got after waiting in the cold on New
Year’s Eve.  Ellen Fader displays a toy model of a Tesla Model 3 in Oakland.
She received the model on New Year’s Eve while waiting at the Tesla plant in
Fremont for the real one she was promised. The car was not delivered before
midnight, and Fader missed out on a federal tax credit that expired at the
end of 2019. Fader finally took delivery of her car on Tuesday, Jan. 7. /
Paul Chinn / The Chronicle


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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1211779406676611073
Evelyn Janeidy Arevalo @JaneidyEve · Dec 30, 2019
Replying to @elonmusk
So does that mean you will spend New Year's Eve at Boca Chica? 

Buff Mage
@elonmusk
Headed to Tesla Fremont factory tomorrow to help with vehicle deliveries
4:41 PM - Dec 30, 2019
]

Instead of partying on New Year’s Eve, hundreds of people who had ordered
Teslas for delivery before a federal tax credit expired after Dec. 31 lined
up at the company’s Fremont plant to pick up their cars.

The atmosphere was festive: People were handing out water, snacks, toy
Teslas and tickets to a food truck. The day before, Tesla CEO Elon Musk
tweeted [
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1211779406676611073
] that he was “headed to Tesla Fremont factory tomorrow to help with vehicle
deliveries,” which earned him accolades from followers.

But the event was not so rewarding for people who went home after midnight
without a car or a tax credit after waiting in line for hours in the cold.
Ellen Fader of Oakland was one of them.

When Fader put a deposit down on a Tesla Model 3 at the Walnut Creek store
on Nov. 27, she told the salesman she needed to pick up the vehicle before a
$1,875 federal tax credit expired after Dec. 31.

The federal tax credit for an electric vehicle starts phasing out after its
manufacturer has sold 200,000 electric vehicles in the United States. The
credit for Teslas, originally $7,500, started shrinking on Jan. 1, 2019, and
went to zero after 2019.

The last week of November, Tesla reportedly sent emails to potential
customers that said, “Place your order and take delivery by December 31,
2019 to be eligible for the federal tax credit. Orders placed near the end
of the year are not guaranteed to be delivered by December 31.”

During her test drive, Fader told the salesman she was flying back East on
Dec. 17 and was concerned about getting the credit. The next day, she
received an email from the salesman that said, “Once the financing is
complete, it is my job to track a car for you by the 17th before you leave
for the East Coast.”

When she didn’t hear back, she emailed the salesman on Dec. 13, asking for
an estimated delivery date. He responded, “ETA is about the 20th.”

Fader decided to fly to New Jersey as planned on the 17th, but come home
early to get the tax credit.

On Dec. 18, she got a text saying she could pick up her car on Dec. 19 and
should either confirm the appointment or request a call back. When she got a
call back, “I asked about a Dec. 30 or 31 pickup date. They told me not to
worry and that I should contact them when I got back,” Fader said.

She paid about $300 to change her return ticket to Saturday, Dec. 28.

On the morning of Dec. 30, she started calling “any Tesla number I could
find.” She finally reached a person who said she had an appointment to pick
up her car on New Year’s Eve at 8 p.m. at the Tesla factory in Fremont.

She called a friend she was supposed to meet for New Year’s Eve dinner. The
friend, Ann-Marie Hogan, agreed to accompany Fader to the factory.

When they got to the plant a little before 8, they 

Re: [EVDL] dink GM hummer as pu e-truck = ( :dumb: ... ?vaporware?)

[Michael Ross via EV]

Typo in the last sentence. Should have read:

"Could it someday become a symbol of a new, more sustainable erection?"

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 9:38 PM brucedp5 via EV  wrote:

>
>
>  (?vaporware? as -GM pr- , automakers @their wasteful-worst)
>
> https://chargedevs.com/newswire/hummer-to-be-reborn-as-gm-electric-pickup-truck/
> Hummer to be reborn as GM electric pickup truck
> January 11, 2020  Charles Morris; WSJ
>
> [image
>
> https://468y981o84o43v2wo2600a0gcj-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Hummer-AdobeStock_.jpeg
>  ice
> ]
>
> We’ve often accused the legacy automakers of lacking imagination, but now
> we
> see that at least someone at GM has a sense of irony. The company’s first
> announced electric pickup truck will be called a Hummer.
>
> GM will not be reviving the Hummer make, which choked to death in 2010, but
> will sell the Hummer pickup under the GMC brand.
>
> The Wall Street Journal reports that the e-Hummer “is likely to be sold in
> small volumes as a rugged, jeep-like pickup truck for off-road
> enthusiasts,”
> according to “people briefed on the strategy.” It’s expected to go on sale
> by early 2022, and will be among the first of several large electric SUVs
> and pickup trucks from GM.
>
> GM will build this beast, and other electric trucks, at its
> Detroit-Hamtramck assembly plant, which was marked for closure before the
> company announced plans for a $3-billion renovation in October.
>
> WSJ says GM plans to run an ad for the new irony-mobile during next month’s
> Super Bowl.
>
> Aside from the headline-grabbing comedic aspects of the announcement, this
> is a milestone because it represents a 180-degree turnaround for GM. Until
> recently, most electric offerings from non-Tesla brands have been small,
> practical cars, which, as any marketer will tell you, hold little appeal
> for
> US buyers. Now GM is going to electrify the biggest and baddest surrogate
> sex organ in the auto industry. No specs have been announced, but it’s safe
> to assume that the e-Hummer will boast plenty of horsepower and towing
> capacity.
>
> A Sierra Club official once said the Hummer “embodied the worst impulses of
> the American auto industry.” ...
> [© chargedevs.com]
>
>
>
> https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/10/gm-buys-super-bowl-air-time-to-resurrect-an-all-electric-version-of-the-hummer-sources-say.html
> GM buys Super Bowl airtime to resurrect an all-electric version of the
> Hummer, sources say
> 2020/01/10  GM is resurrecting the Hummer, buying Super Bowl airtime to
> debut an all-electric pickup version of its gas-guzzling ... General Motors
> is resurrecting the Hummer as an all-electric pickup ...
>
> https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/46593858-Hummer-Iconic-Brands-That-Disappeared-CNBC.jpg
>
>
>
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[EVDL] dink GM hummer as pu e-truck = ( :dumb: ... ?vaporware?)

[brucedp5 via EV]

 (?vaporware? as -GM pr- , automakers @their wasteful-worst)
https://chargedevs.com/newswire/hummer-to-be-reborn-as-gm-electric-pickup-truck/
Hummer to be reborn as GM electric pickup truck
January 11, 2020  Charles Morris; WSJ

[image  
https://468y981o84o43v2wo2600a0gcj-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Hummer-AdobeStock_.jpeg
 ice
]

We’ve often accused the legacy automakers of lacking imagination, but now we
see that at least someone at GM has a sense of irony. The company’s first
announced electric pickup truck will be called a Hummer.

GM will not be reviving the Hummer make, which choked to death in 2010, but
will sell the Hummer pickup under the GMC brand.

The Wall Street Journal reports that the e-Hummer “is likely to be sold in
small volumes as a rugged, jeep-like pickup truck for off-road enthusiasts,”
according to “people briefed on the strategy.” It’s expected to go on sale
by early 2022, and will be among the first of several large electric SUVs
and pickup trucks from GM.

GM will build this beast, and other electric trucks, at its
Detroit-Hamtramck assembly plant, which was marked for closure before the
company announced plans for a $3-billion renovation in October.

WSJ says GM plans to run an ad for the new irony-mobile during next month’s
Super Bowl.

Aside from the headline-grabbing comedic aspects of the announcement, this
is a milestone because it represents a 180-degree turnaround for GM. Until
recently, most electric offerings from non-Tesla brands have been small,
practical cars, which, as any marketer will tell you, hold little appeal for
US buyers. Now GM is going to electrify the biggest and baddest surrogate
sex organ in the auto industry. No specs have been announced, but it’s safe
to assume that the e-Hummer will boast plenty of horsepower and towing
capacity.

A Sierra Club official once said the Hummer “embodied the worst impulses of
the American auto industry.” ...
[© chargedevs.com]


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/10/gm-buys-super-bowl-air-time-to-resurrect-an-all-electric-version-of-the-hummer-sources-say.html
GM buys Super Bowl airtime to resurrect an all-electric version of the
Hummer, sources say
2020/01/10  GM is resurrecting the Hummer, buying Super Bowl airtime to
debut an all-electric pickup version of its gas-guzzling ... General Motors
is resurrecting the Hummer as an all-electric pickup ...
https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/46593858-Hummer-Iconic-Brands-That-Disappeared-CNBC.jpg




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[EVDL] 5. Re: early leaf mile years expectancy

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 I am charging the car now. I do notice a different position of the bars 
between the 13 and the 16. Makes the 13 look like it has an extra bar
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Re: [EVDL] early leaf mile years expectancy

[Paul Compton via EV]

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/environment/2017/05/19/no-return-to-diesel-for-all-ev-taxi-firm-with-dozen-leafs-on-its-books


On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 at 19:18, Bob Bath via EV  wrote:

> Loved your post, but there are only 12 bars on a LEAF, not 13. 
> I lost my first, and so far, only bar on my 2013 the first year. That was
> charging to 80%, except for an occasional equalizing 100% each month. 40k
> miles now.
>
> Sincerely,
> Bob Bath
>
> Note: any misspellings of the contents of this message are due to 54 y.o.
> vision, hyperactive spell check changing what I typed, or fat fingering—
> not cluelessness.
>
>
> > On Jan 11, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV 
> wrote:
> >
> > After three Leafs I have some experience. Our first Leaf was a 2012
> Lease. By 39k miles and end of lease It could barely do 50 miles. We did
> not buy that can.
> >
> > We did however find a 2013 with 2,400 miles on the odometer for $14k.
> Nissan allowed us to pay off the car with a no interest loan. We are still
> driving that car. The guessometer is actually very accurate in predicting
> actual range. Back in 2015 we would see as much as 131 miles of range. Now
> in winter we are seeing mid 80's. Still getting 13 bars. The car has 55k on
> the clock. It has been from San Francisco to San Diego three times. First
> time it took 20 hours to LA. Lots of fast charger mistakes. No problems yet
> other than reduced range. We drive using the two ball method. During warm
> months we still see one mile of range per percent of charge. But it is hard
> to keep it up when driving into the wind.
> >
> > Our third Leaf was a 2016 30 kw. Total expenditure $13,550. It is so
> much more useful that my wife Bogart's it and has run up the odometer to
> over 50 k miles even though that car was bought new a year later. It will
> make the 90 mile journey to Sacramento, Stockton, Modesto, Santa Rosa and a
> little more to Salinas sometimes. This car still shows 114 to 130 miles of
> range on a full charge. It will make it to LA in 11 hours. Stops of
> Salinas, Camp Roberts, San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara. So the bigger the
> battery the better. This car still has the original tires. If you drive
> normally you will not see these numbers on any Leaf. However I am certain
> the 40 and 60 kw Leafs will have much better range and battery life. I
> would not buy a 2011 or 2012 Leaf unless the battery was replaced or I got
> it nearly free. Looking forward I see my first broken part being the axel
> boots. Anybody think Armourall will extend their life? Lawrence Rhodes
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[EVDL] Future FCA EVs 2far away4 .eu rules: Fiat 500e support ...

[brucedp5 via EV]

see:

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Fiat-funding-Tesla-de-Gigafactory4-pushed-by-eu-rules-tp4696124.html
Fiat funding Tesla Gigafactory4 .de> (pushed by .eu rules)
Tesla Gigafactory 4 to be effectively funded by FCA?
January 9, 2020  For Tesla, this is ... free money, because the company is
selling only EVs. For FCA, it's the choice ... Fiat Chrysler Automobiles
NV’s deal to pool its fleet with Tesla to comply with stricter emissions
rules in Europe is in effect funding the electric-car maker’s upcoming
Germany factory ...
https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iTxBIZgjAAXI/v0/1200x900.jpg




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[EVDL] Fiat funding Tesla .de Gigafactory4> (pushed by .eu rules)

[brucedp5 via EV]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-09/fiat-will-effectively-fund-tesla-s-german-factory-baird-says
Fiat Will Effectively Fund Tesla’s German Factory, Baird Says
January 9, 2020  Gabrielle Coppola

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Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV’s deal to pool its fleet with Tesla Inc. to
comply with stricter emissions rules in Europe is in effect funding the
electric-car maker’s upcoming Germany factory, according to Robert W. Baird
& Co.

The Italian-American automaker reached an agreement with Tesla last spring
that could cost Fiat Chrysler an estimated 1.8 billion ($2 billion) through
2023. That breaks out to about $150 million to $200 million per quarter and
will pad Tesla’s profit margins starting in the first three months of this
year, according to Baird analyst Ben Kallo.

“While we acknowledge investors may want to strip out credits in evaluating
operational execution, we do note the credits effectively fund Tesla’s
European factory,” Kallo wrote in a report Thursday. While he cut his rating
on Tesla to the equivalent of a hold, from a buy, the analyst raised his
price target to $525, from $355.

Representatives for Fiat Chrysler and Tesla didn’t immediately respond to a
request for comment.

Read more: Tesla’s Secret Source of Cash Unmasked as GM, Fiat Chrysler [
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-03/tesla-s-secret-source-of-cash-unmasked-as-gm-and-fiat-chrysler
]

Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk announced in November that Tesla planned
to build a plant outside Berlin. The facility is expected to produce Model 3
sedans and Model Y crossovers starting in 2021.

Fiat Chrysler is going to launch a new version of its Fiat 500
battery-powered vehicle in Europe this year, along with plug-in hybrid
versions of its Jeep Compass, Renegade and Wrangler models. That, combined
with the Tesla credits, should make the company compliant with Europe’s
emissions rules, CEO Mike Manley told analysts in July.

While Fiat Chrysler would otherwise struggle to meet new carbon-dioxide
emissions standards in Europe, the so-called open-pool option available in
the European Union allows automakers to group their fleets together to meet
targets. Compliance has gotten harder for automakers as consumers have
shifted toward gasoline cars, which emit comparatively more CO2, following
Volkswagen AG’s diesel-emissions scandal that first erupted in 2015.
[© bloomberg.com]


https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/chrysler/2020/01/09/fiat-will-effectively-fund-teslas-german-factory-baird-says/40968147/
Fiat will effectively fund Tesla's German factory, Baird says
2020/01/09  FCA pooling its fleet with Tesla to meet European emissions
rules in effect funds Tesla's new Germany factory, according to Robert W.
Baird & Co. ... Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV's deal to pool its fleet with
Tesla Inc. to comply with stricter emissions rules in Europe ... 
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/01/09/PDTN/94edcbc5-65a5-426b-8702-057c14c3b5aa-BU020_002EV7i8htlnnrhm4o21k5m3juu5j34.jpg


https://sg.news.yahoo.com/tesla-gigafactory-4-effectively-funded-161500687.html
Tesla Gigafactory 4 to be effectively funded by FCA?
11 January 2020


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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Repairing-500e-with-Fiat-pulling-out-tp4696116p4696119.html
Buying a SoCal used EV: Fiat 500e support ...
]


+
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/01/06/las-vegas-taxi-company-orders-hundreds-of-teslas/
Las Vegas Taxi Company Orders Hundreds Of Teslas
January 6th, 2020 ... large orders of the Tesla Model 3 for taxi or other
transportation service companies ...
https://cleantechnica.com/files/2019/09/Tesla-Model-3-S-X-Fleet-Red-White-Blue-Supercharging-Florida-National-Drive-Electric-Week-Metro.jpg
... (dated)
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Tesla-S-Electric-Taxi-Service-in-Downtown-Las-Vegas-Project-100-tp4662375.html
EVLN: Tesla-S Electric Taxi Service in Downtown Las Vegas, Project 100
Hsieh's Social Network For Sharing Teslas!
Apr 10, 2013
...
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Tesla-S-Electric-Taxi-Service-in-Downtown-Las-Vegas-Project-100-tp4662375p4662687.html
EVLN: Tesla-S Electric Taxi Service in Downtown Las Vegas, Project 100
Apr 26, 2013
...
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page=413529=las+vegas+tesla+taxi=0
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Re: [EVDL] early leaf mile years expectancy

[Bob Bath via EV]

Loved your post, but there are only 12 bars on a LEAF, not 13. 
I lost my first, and so far, only bar on my 2013 the first year. That was 
charging to 80%, except for an occasional equalizing 100% each month. 40k miles 
now. 

Sincerely, 
Bob Bath

Note: any misspellings of the contents of this message are due to 54 y.o. 
vision, hyperactive spell check changing what I typed, or fat fingering— not 
cluelessness. 


> On Jan 11, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV  wrote:
> 
> After three Leafs I have some experience. Our first Leaf was a 2012 Lease. By 
> 39k miles and end of lease It could barely do 50 miles. We did not buy that 
> can. 
> 
> We did however find a 2013 with 2,400 miles on the odometer for $14k. Nissan 
> allowed us to pay off the car with a no interest loan. We are still driving 
> that car. The guessometer is actually very accurate in predicting actual 
> range. Back in 2015 we would see as much as 131 miles of range. Now in winter 
> we are seeing mid 80's. Still getting 13 bars. The car has 55k on the clock. 
> It has been from San Francisco to San Diego three times. First time it took 
> 20 hours to LA. Lots of fast charger mistakes. No problems yet other than 
> reduced range. We drive using the two ball method. During warm months we 
> still see one mile of range per percent of charge. But it is hard to keep it 
> up when driving into the wind. 
> 
> Our third Leaf was a 2016 30 kw. Total expenditure $13,550. It is so much 
> more useful that my wife Bogart's it and has run up the odometer to over 50 k 
> miles even though that car was bought new a year later. It will make the 90 
> mile journey to Sacramento, Stockton, Modesto, Santa Rosa and a little more 
> to Salinas sometimes. This car still shows 114 to 130 miles of range on a 
> full charge. It will make it to LA in 11 hours. Stops of Salinas, Camp 
> Roberts, San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara. So the bigger the battery the 
> better. This car still has the original tires. If you drive normally you will 
> not see these numbers on any Leaf. However I am certain the 40 and 60 kw 
> Leafs will have much better range and battery life. I would not buy a 2011 or 
> 2012 Leaf unless the battery was replaced or I got it nearly free. Looking 
> forward I see my first broken part being the axel boots. Anybody think 
> Armourall will extend their life? Lawrence Rhodes  
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Re: [EVDL] early leaf mile years expectancy

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 After three Leafs I have some experience. Our first Leaf was a 2012 Lease. By 
39k miles and end of lease It could barely do 50 miles. We did not buy that 
can. 

We did however find a 2013 with 2,400 miles on the odometer for $14k. Nissan 
allowed us to pay off the car with a no interest loan. We are still driving 
that car. The guessometer is actually very accurate in predicting actual range. 
Back in 2015 we would see as much as 131 miles of range. Now in winter we are 
seeing mid 80's. Still getting 13 bars. The car has 55k on the clock. It has 
been from San Francisco to San Diego three times. First time it took 20 hours 
to LA. Lots of fast charger mistakes. No problems yet other than reduced range. 
We drive using the two ball method. During warm months we still see one mile of 
range per percent of charge. But it is hard to keep it up when driving into the 
wind. 

Our third Leaf was a 2016 30 kw. Total expenditure $13,550. It is so much more 
useful that my wife Bogart's it and has run up the odometer to over 50 k miles 
even though that car was bought new a year later. It will make the 90 mile 
journey to Sacramento, Stockton, Modesto, Santa Rosa and a little more to 
Salinas sometimes. This car still shows 114 to 130 miles of range on a full 
charge. It will make it to LA in 11 hours. Stops of Salinas, Camp Roberts, San 
Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara. So the bigger the battery the better. This car 
still has the original tires. If you drive normally you will not see these 
numbers on any Leaf. However I am certain the 40 and 60 kw Leafs will have much 
better range and battery life. I would not buy a 2011 or 2012 Leaf unless the 
battery was replaced or I got it nearly free. Looking forward I see my first 
broken part being the axel boots. Anybody think Armourall will extend their 
life? Lawrence Rhodes  
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