Re: [EVDL] Tesla Launches Entry Model 3 with Newer LFP Battery Tech in the U.S. - TeslaNorth.com
This is far more about stationary storage where range is not a concern and temperature management is far easier to maintain. LFP have always been a useful option in stationary applications. I suspect good work has been done to improve the additives in electrolyte solutions. On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 6:29 PM Michael Ross wrote: > No, they will be a lot better. The ones we got on the open market were > crappy. Tesla can't afford crappy batteries that can't > take even moderately high temperatures. They can't have such a low energy > density and low power density. If they are doing LFP it is because they > made significant im[rovements. No cobalt is a biggy. They have to have a > fast charge rate. Large formats cannot be cooled well. > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 6:14 PM Mark Hanson via EV > wrote: > >> Hi folks >> Looks like Elon Musk is trying to spin LiFePo4 batteries that we used in >> our conversions as the latest technology. I wonder if they’re large format >> cells too :-). >> >> https://teslanorth.com/2021/08/26/tesla-launches-entry-model-3-with-newer-lfp-battery-tech-in-the-u-s/ >> Best regards >> Mark in Roanoke Va >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ___ >> Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org >> No other addresses in TO and CC fields >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ >> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> > > > -- > Michael E. Ross > (919) 585-6737 Land > (919) 901-2805 Cell and Text > (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Tablet, > Google Phone and Text > > > > -- Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 901-2805 Cell and Text (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Tablet, Google Phone and Text -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20211021/291a2e7f/attachment.html> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] What Tesla’s bet on iron-based batteries means for manufacturers | TechCrunch
On 22 Oct 2021 at 11:48, Verne Pavreal via EV wrote: > Is the article behind a pay wall my iPhone Safari browser just complains a > problem has occurred cheers heretrythislinkinstead https://v.gd/Vp0b5X David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Most people here [in the US] don't want an abrupt reshuffling of everything. That's why we've had only one revolution. It's why we've fought off the metric system all these years, and thank heaven we have. -- Fox anchor Tucker Carlson = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] What Tesla’s bet on iron-based batteries means for manufacturers | TechCrunch
Is the article behind a pay wall my iPhone Safari browser just complains a problem has occurred cheers Sent from my iPhone > On 22/10/2021, at 11:07 AM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > > Here’s a better article on the shift to LiFePo4 batteries that we used in > conversions. Mark > https://techcrunch.com/2021/07/28/what-teslas-bet-on-iron-based-batteries-means-for-manufacturers/ > > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] Tesla Launches Entry Model 3 with Newer LFP Battery Tech in the U.S. - TeslaNorth.com
Michael, I have seen LFP cells in a smaller cylindrical form factor with a rated capacity of 5000mAH, so I suspect that's what Elon is probably working with. Matthew Pitts Get BlueMail for Android On Oct 21, 2021, 6:30 PM, at 6:30 PM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: >No, they will be a lot better. The ones we got on the open market were >crappy. Tesla can't afford crappy batteries that can't >take even moderately high temperatures. They can't have such a low >energy >density and low power density. If they are doing LFP it is because they >made significant im[rovements. No cobalt is a biggy. They have to have >a >fast charge rate. Large formats cannot be cooled well. > >On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 6:14 PM Mark Hanson via EV >wrote: > >> Hi folks >> Looks like Elon Musk is trying to spin LiFePo4 batteries that we used >in >> our conversions as the latest technology. I wonder if they’re large >format >> cells too :-). >> >> >https://teslanorth.com/2021/08/26/tesla-launches-entry-model-3-with-newer-lfp-battery-tech-in-the-u-s/ >> Best regards >> Mark in Roanoke Va >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ___ >> Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org >> No other addresses in TO and CC fields >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ >> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> > > >-- >Michael E. Ross >(919) 585-6737 Land >(919) 901-2805 Cell and Text >(919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Tablet, >Google Phone and Text >-- next part -- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20211021/8aa63253/attachment.html> >___ >Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org >No other addresses in TO and CC fields >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ >LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20211021/9d428279/attachment.html> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] Tesla Launches Entry Model 3 with Newer LFP Battery Tech in the U.S. - TeslaNorth.com
No, they will be a lot better. The ones we got on the open market were crappy. Tesla can't afford crappy batteries that can't take even moderately high temperatures. They can't have such a low energy density and low power density. If they are doing LFP it is because they made significant im[rovements. No cobalt is a biggy. They have to have a fast charge rate. Large formats cannot be cooled well. On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 6:14 PM Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > Hi folks > Looks like Elon Musk is trying to spin LiFePo4 batteries that we used in > our conversions as the latest technology. I wonder if they’re large format > cells too :-). > > https://teslanorth.com/2021/08/26/tesla-launches-entry-model-3-with-newer-lfp-battery-tech-in-the-u-s/ > Best regards > Mark in Roanoke Va > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > -- Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 901-2805 Cell and Text (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Tablet, Google Phone and Text -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20211021/8aa63253/attachment.html> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
[EVDL] What Tesla’s bet on iron-based batteries means for manufacturers | TechCrunch
Here’s a better article on the shift to LiFePo4 batteries that we used in conversions. Mark https://techcrunch.com/2021/07/28/what-teslas-bet-on-iron-based-batteries-means-for-manufacturers/ Sent from my iPhone ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
[EVDL] Tesla Launches Entry Model 3 with Newer LFP Battery Tech in the U.S. - TeslaNorth.com
Hi folks Looks like Elon Musk is trying to spin LiFePo4 batteries that we used in our conversions as the latest technology. I wonder if they’re large format cells too :-). https://teslanorth.com/2021/08/26/tesla-launches-entry-model-3-with-newer-lfp-battery-tech-in-the-u-s/ Best regards Mark in Roanoke Va Sent from my iPhone ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 108, Issue 18
And don't forget... My one stock now is FIVE On 10/21/21 1:08 PM, ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org wrote: Send EV mailing list submissions to ev@lists.evdl.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org You can reach the person managing the list at ev-ow...@lists.evdl.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of EV digest..." Also, please be careful not to append the entire digest to your reply. Many mail systems do this by default. Trim or delete the digest text from the bottom of your message, and quote only the parts to which you're replying. Today's Topics: 1. EVs and Tesla (Robert Bruninga) 2. Re: EVs and Tesla (Willie) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 17:39:18 -0400 From: Robert Bruninga To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: [EVDL] EVs and Tesla Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Can you believe it? T Tesla wins again! The stock was $65 just 2 years ago in 2019 and is over $860 now... Just sayin... Anyone who bets against Tesla or EV's for the future is headed for disappointment. Bob -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:29:02 -0400 From: Willie To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVs and Tesla Message-ID: <9eb6a7f0-4c57-1066-1549-056864043...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 10/20/21 5:39 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: Can you believe it? T Tesla wins again! The stock was $65 just 2 years ago in 2019 and is over $860 now... I was about to try to refute your numbers.? But, I checked and found you correct.? This climb in value has seemed (to me) to have lasted longer. Just sayin... Anyone who bets against Tesla or EV's for the future is headed for disappointment. I will caution that prior performance is not necessarily a predictor of future.? But, I will venture that failure for Tesla now seems near impossible. I recently reflected on the Tesla/Musk negativism I've noticed. Both here and elsewhere. https://wmckemie.blogspot.com/2021/10/teslaspacexmusk.html Included is a link to the recent PBS episode of "In Their Own Words".? I consider it almost as important as WKTEC. For the past year or so, I've been seeking paths of equity ownership of SpaceX.? I remain not well satisfied. BTW, I bought my first TSLA in 2013 for less that $40 (pre split).? Sadly, I lacked faith and traded some. -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ EV@lists.evdl.org For general EVDL support, see http://evdl.org/help/ http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org -- End of EV Digest, Vol 108, Issue 18 *** -- Steven S Lough President Emeritus Seattle EV Association www.seattleeva.org 206 524 1351 ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
