Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla wants to buy out your free supercharging

2023-04-25 Thread paul dove via EV
gt; I used 3561 Kwh in the last 12 months. I pay $0.11 a kwh at home and I 
> > believe the same at a supercharger in my area.
> > So, roughly $400 a year. Even if you double that to $800 a year it takes a 
> > long time to get to $5000.
> > Plus it says they were offering 6 years free supercharging to boot.
> > I don't see how this is in any way a negative but just extra incentive to 
> > upgrade if you were looking to..
> >
> >    On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:18:44 AM CDT, EV List Lackey via EV 
> > wrote:
> >
> >  Tesla tries to get owners to give up `unlimited free Supercharging for 
> >life´
> >
> > Fred Lambert | Apr 24 2023 - 12:25 am PT
> >
> > "Tesla is trying again to get owners of older Model S and Model X with
> > unlimited free Supercharging for life to give up the perk  ...
> >
> > "Current Tesla Model S or Model X owners with active unlimited free
> > Supercharging are eligible for 6 years of unlimited Supercharging. To
> > qualify, owners must trade in or remove unlimited Supercharging from their
> > vehicle and take delivery of a new Model S or Model X by June 30, 2023 ...
> >
> > "It´s interesting that Tesla is just now trying hard to get people off of
> > the unlimited free Supercharging just as it appears to try to make
> > Supercharging a profit center - something it originally said it wouldn´t do.
> >
> > "With non-Tesla EV drivers now getting access to the network, it looks like
> > Tesla is now looking to see what the Supercharger network would look like as
> > a full-scale money-making charging network."
> >
> > Complete article:
> >
> > https://electrek.co/2023/04/24/tesla-triesowners-give-up-unlimited-free-
> > supercharging-for-life/
> >
> > or https://v.gd/vBwnXc
> >
> > David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey
> >
> > To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it.  Use my
> > offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla wants to buy out your free supercharging

2023-04-25 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Interesting. I may hardly ever Super-charge, but I am working on a
prototype DC charger so this would be interesting for that purpose as
well, even though I am strongly considering to sell my S this summer
because the car is too large to fit comfortably in my garage and I
have no street parking, so I rather go back to alternating between the
electric S10 (with dual Leaf pack) and the 2012 Leaf with 62kWh
pack...
The latter also being a big drive to get DC charging (3kW OBC = 20
hours charge time, ugh)
What is involved in restoring factory config? VIN?
Cor.

On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 9:36 PM (-Phil-)  wrote:
>
> The car controls the supercharger.  When Tesla disables it on a car they 
> connect to your car over the cell network and remove the option for the car's 
> config that lives in the gateway.  They obviously didn't have your permission 
> to do this, so they are technically breaking the law.
>
> It would be fine if they wanted to block it at the supercharger, but that's 
> not how they implemented it.
>
> All I do is restore the factory configuration, and the car will supercharge 
> again.   I've done literally thousands of cars all over the world, and as far 
> as I've heard they are all still working.
>
> No, sadly you can't use Falcon's bundle of wires on your older S.   That's 
> only for Model 3/Y from 2017 to 2021 to retrofit the newer 2021+ charge port 
> ECU with the PLC modem that supports CCS.   You would be able to use the 
> CHAdeMO adapter or a 3rd party CCS adapter (junk) if you wanted to after we 
> restored DCFC.
>
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 8:30 PM Cor van de Water  
> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting.
>> I deliberately retained the original computers, to facilitate upgrades ;)
>> Would the Supercharging network not reject my car, or are you talking about 
>> re-enabling the public DCFC on it?
>> I believe a former colleague of mine "Falcon" is selling a bundle of wires 
>> to assist with this as well ;)
>> What is it you are offering exactly?
>> BTW, removed EVDL in case you don't want this all over the list, feel free 
>> to re-add.
>> Cor
>> Sunnyvale
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 7:58 PM (-Phil-)  wrote:
>>>
>>> I can probably restore supercharging on that Model S.   It originally came 
>>> with unlimited supercharging, so that would be a great enhancement to its 
>>> value.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 6:57 PM Cor van de Water via EV  
>>> wrote:

 Paul wrote: "I suspect you got your vehicle way below market value."
 Not sure - it was listed on Craigslist (I always buy private) so
 anyone was able to make an offer, mine was just the first to be
 accepted, so I think it was market value.
 But then - what is market value for a 2013 S85 w dual charger
 (original $94k) that is now salvage, has lost Supercharging, has a bad
 battery (only bottom 15% available, range indication 37mi) needs work
 on 3 door handles, has a shattered left rear quarter window, loose
 front bumper cover, cosmetic damage to right rear fender, rear bumper
 and hatch? 120k mi. Tell me your estimation and I will tell you if I
 paid that or it was under market value. I spent $200 and many hours on
 replacing a battery module (bought a 2013 module for $1k and sold the
 *Tesla refurbished but unbalanced* 2012 module for $800; replaced the
 module myself), bought and replaced the window (ignoring the cost for
 a tube of goop), bought 3 stainless steel gears for the failing door
 handle presenters and bolted down the front bumper cover. The cosmetic
 damage is still there, but I now have a 230mi salvage but wonderfully
 driving vehicle, still with cosmetic damage and only capable of
 charging at max 20kW (240V 80A AC) so normally only 11.5kW (48A).
 Though I will likely sell it this summer as I have too many EVs
 Cor.

 On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 3:52 PM paul dove via EV  wrote:
 >
 >  Yes, that would be if you exclusively charged at superchargers.
 > I have never done that I would guess most people charge at home because 
 > of convenience.
 > My supercharging is less that 20% of my charging.
 > I suspect you got your vehicle way below market value.
 > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 03:45:32 PM CDT, Cor van de Water via 
 > EV  wrote:
 >
 >  In my PG&E service area, once you are over baseline consumption the
 > minimum charge is $0.35 per kWh. So for me that charge would be well
 > over a grand per year.
 > My 2013 S used to have unlimited free supercharging, but the previous
 > owner had a fender bender on the right rear quarter panel and as
 > result, Tesla disabled all DC Fast Charging.
 > This means that even the CHAdeMO converter that was bought for the car
 > is now useless.
 > Luckily I am an experienced EV'er so I always plan ahead and almost
 > never need public charging anyway, but last year the wife and I were
 > planning a 350 mi one way tri