Re: [EVDL] EV Distance Record Smashed

[George E Swartz via EV]

I think Bob Aronson's Mars electric car with 2000 pounds of lead acid
batteries did 144 miles under ideal conditions in the late 1960's











> I managed to find the article.
>
> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/09/1600-miles-on-a-single-charge-student-
> built-ev-sets-new-world-record/
>
> shortcut: https://v.gd/X9prd1
>
> Top speed 42 km/h
> Weight 170kg
>
> For comparison, in 1987 the GM Sunraycer won the World Solar Challenge -
> all
> energy from the sun - with an average speed of 41.6mph.
>
> Top speed 109 km/h
> Weight 177 kg
>
> These - and many others over the decades - are literal academic exercises.
> Maybe an obscenely wealthy person could commission one like them as a toy.
> Most of us couldn't, and probably wouldn't want to anyway.  Cool as they
> are, they're not really very safe or practical for public roads.
>
> Wouldn't it be great if the automakers hired some of these students and
> put
> them to work applying some of their efficiency optimizations to production
> EVs?
>
> Dream on, I guess 
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[EVDL] Battronic Van and other EV stuff for free

[George E Swartz via EV]

I have a Battronic Van which was originally purchased by Seattle City
Light to gain electric vehicle experience in the 1970's.  Controller is a
Hartman series parallel contactor type.  (I actually knew
Al Hartman back then).  The van has an aluminum body and slide in battery
racks from both sides.  I believe the motor is 30 hp.  Van is free to a
new home.  It is complete except for the matching charger but I have a
couple of forklift chargers that might work.  Condition is very, very
poor.  There is a bill of sale from the City of Seattle dated Se[t 20,
1974 and other documentation of interest in the file.

I also have three Pullman trolley buses from the 1940's with GE 1213
motors. (I believe J-4). One is complete with trolley poles and
retrievers.  These are also in very poor condition and probably destined
for the scrap dealer.  There is a wealth of spare parts for any trolley
museums that are interested.

George.   *3*6*0*5*6*8*1*4*7*3*

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Re: [EVDL] Lightning

[George E Swartz via EV]

I have a deposit on a Ford Lightning pick up truck, but I expect unfair
pricing from Ford dealers.  We drove a Mustang E last month.  The MSRP is
about 43k but the dealer asking price was 77k for 34k dealer mark up.  I
expect to see the same BS on the Lightning.  George





> Just wondering.  Anyone on the list either have or have considered the
> Ford Lighting pickup?
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[EVDL] What Bob Rice would have done

[George E Swartz via EV]

Bob Rice would have coined a new word for Tesla, such as MESSLA or a
rearrangement of the letters to form the words "LAST-E" or E-STAL.  Bob
was a visionary and a 100% EV enthusiast.  I think he would have been
delighted.




>
>
> On 10/16/2018 04:48 PM, robert winfield via EV wrote:
>>   On Tuesday, October 16, 2018, 5:04:39 PM EDT, EVDL Administrator via
>> EV  wrote:
>>   If you know what you are talking about, then tell me, how many years
>> has Tesla been selling vehicles. 10 years? 7 years? 5 years?If you
>> look at the game plan, it's to sell, not low end vehicles, llike the
>> CitiCars of old by Bob Beaumont, not the ElCars, 36v lead sledsIt was
>> to start
>
> I HONOR Bob Beaumont!  And Bob Rice.  And so many others that have done
> their bit to promote EVs.  Though I knew neither Bob, I firmly believe
> both would be thrilled at Tesla accomplishments if they were here to
> see.  I doubt they would nitpick minor schedule delays.  The prior
> accomplishments seem minor and meager compared to the great Tesla leap
> forward, but they set the stage and whetted appetites for today's
> mainstream EVs.
>
> Due almost exclusively to Tesla, EVs have "made it".  There is almost no
> possibility of EVs sinking back into oblivion as has happened more than
> once in the past.   Abandon your grousing and CELEBRATE!  Already, used
> Tesla Ss have dropped in value from $80k-$120k to ~$30k.  In a few
> years, you will be able to buy used Model 3s for $10k.  Or less.  Large
> numbers of salvage Tesla batteries will be available at very low prices
> to experimenters.  And, they will be FAR better than today's Leaf
> salvage batteries.
>
> Not addressed to you, Robert.
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Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla

[George E Swartz via EV]

I didn't like the idea of thousands of little cells either, when I first
looked at the Tesla design.

The key word here is "availability", not MTBF, or reliability. The Tesla
battery can withstand many single point failures without affecting
performance or operation of the car, therefore the car remains available
in spite of failures.  Individual Tesla cells are also fused which reduces
fire danger. Single point failures in large format batteries cause greater
percentage degradation per failure.

I had a career in public transportation and availability of rolling stock
is a very important aspect of any fleet of buses.








> Wow, huge misunderstanding of "reliability"..
>
> There is a huge difference between the poor reliability of large numbers
> of
> single-point failures compared to the HUGE redundancy in the Tesla battery
> with dozens of parallel redundancy at each step of the battery.  I'd take
> the Tesla design any  day as being far more reliable...
>
> Bob
>
>
>  On Monday, October 8, 2018 3:45 PM, Mark Hanson via EV
> 
> wrote:
>
>  Aside from the high price the main reason I wouldn't buy a Tesla is
> they're
> the only manufacturer that has uses 6800 flashlight batteries (2170) in an
> onroad vehicle. I just think of all those points of failure and the
> complexity of monitoring that reduces reliability.  While Consumer Reports
> gave it high marks for handling etc, they gave it a low score for
> reliability.  Currently they send a "Tesla Ranger" out to your house for a
> battery field repair as this cost is built into the price of a pricey car.
> I don't know how this business model will work on lower prices $30k
> versions.  I'm surprised the media doesn't mention the thousands of itty
> bitty cells in a Tesla and that no one else does it that way for
> reliability
> reasons (even with each one fused) Have a renewable energy day Mark in
> Roanoke Va Www.Reevadiy.org.
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: popularmechanics.com reviews $64k Tesla-3p EV

[George E Swartz via EV]

David,

I am curious, what are the main reasons you would not buy a Tesla.

George Swartz



> On 6 Oct 2018 at 7:04, Paul Dove via EV wrote:
>
>> My model 3 was only $46,000 I wonder where he,s getting his information
>
> Is yours the "performance edition"?  That seems to be what he was testing.
>
> He mentions that the cheapest currently available model is $49k, which is
> not that far from the price you quote.
>
> That's still WAY over my budget.  But then I can't see myself buying any
> Tesla ever, regardless of the price.
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