Re: [EVDL] Fast chargers are almost as profitable as gasoline pumps, claims BP executive

2022-02-12 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV 
Yep, big issue here.

- Mark

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> On Feb 12, 2022, at 11:40 AM, Haudy Kazemi via EV  wrote:
> 
> One must be careful about looking at industrial rates. They generally have
> a separate energy fee and power (demand) fee. The energy fee can easily be
> far less than a fixed home rate...i.e. that 1/2 or 2/3s price.
> 
> But the demand fee can be enormous, as it is usually based on the 15 minute
> period of highest usage during the month. Charging an EV, like a Model S,
> at 100 kW for 15 minutes, means you will pay the demand charge as if you
> used 100 kW continuously for the whole month, even though you only used it
> for 15 minutes (25 kWh).
> 
> Storage is the main way to mitigate demand fees. A few EV stations have on
> site storage just for this reason.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Feb 12, 2022, 13:29 Mark Abramowitz via EV 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting article.
>> 
>> Your info on rates, though, may be where you are, but not everywhere.  I
>> can’t tell you what the rates are here, but know that chargers get
>> subsidized rates.
>> 
>> - Mark
>> 
>> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:38 AM, Mark Hanson via EV 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Since fast chargers are connected to a 480 3 phase industrial feed,
>> they generally get the industrial rate, less than the 12.6cents residential
>> rate (typically 1/2-2/3rds residential) Tesla then charges 28-35cents per
>> KWh and VW (Electrify America) 43cents per KWh.
>>> 
>> https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1134762_fast-chargers-are-almost-as-profitable-as-gasoline-pumps-claims-bp-executive
>>> Stay Charged,
>>> Mark in Roanoke
>>> 
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Re: [EVDL] Fast chargers are almost as profitable as gasoline pumps, claims BP executive

2022-02-12 Thread Haudy Kazemi via EV 
One must be careful about looking at industrial rates. They generally have
a separate energy fee and power (demand) fee. The energy fee can easily be
far less than a fixed home rate...i.e. that 1/2 or 2/3s price.

But the demand fee can be enormous, as it is usually based on the 15 minute
period of highest usage during the month. Charging an EV, like a Model S,
at 100 kW for 15 minutes, means you will pay the demand charge as if you
used 100 kW continuously for the whole month, even though you only used it
for 15 minutes (25 kWh).

Storage is the main way to mitigate demand fees. A few EV stations have on
site storage just for this reason.



On Sat, Feb 12, 2022, 13:29 Mark Abramowitz via EV 
wrote:

> Interesting article.
>
> Your info on rates, though, may be where you are, but not everywhere.  I
> can’t tell you what the rates are here, but know that chargers get
> subsidized rates.
>
> - Mark
>
> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
>
> > On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:38 AM, Mark Hanson via EV 
> wrote:
> >
> > Since fast chargers are connected to a 480 3 phase industrial feed,
> they generally get the industrial rate, less than the 12.6cents residential
> rate (typically 1/2-2/3rds residential) Tesla then charges 28-35cents per
> KWh and VW (Electrify America) 43cents per KWh.
> >
> https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1134762_fast-chargers-are-almost-as-profitable-as-gasoline-pumps-claims-bp-executive
> > Stay Charged,
> > Mark in Roanoke
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [EVDL] Fast chargers are almost as profitable as gasoline pumps, claims BP executive

2022-02-12 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV 
Interesting article.

Your info on rates, though, may be where you are, but not everywhere.  I can’t 
tell you what the rates are here, but know that chargers get subsidized rates.

- Mark

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> On Feb 12, 2022, at 10:38 AM, Mark Hanson via EV  wrote:
> 
> Since fast chargers are connected to a 480 3 phase industrial feed, they 
> generally get the industrial rate, less than the 12.6cents residential rate 
> (typically 1/2-2/3rds residential) Tesla then charges 28-35cents per KWh and 
> VW (Electrify America) 43cents per KWh.  
> https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1134762_fast-chargers-are-almost-as-profitable-as-gasoline-pumps-claims-bp-executive
> Stay Charged,
> Mark in Roanoke
> 
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[EVDL] Fast chargers are almost as profitable as gasoline pumps, claims BP executive

2022-02-12 Thread Mark Hanson via EV 
Since fast chargers are connected to a 480 3 phase industrial feed, they 
generally get the industrial rate, less than the 12.6cents residential rate 
(typically 1/2-2/3rds residential) Tesla then charges 28-35cents per KWh and VW 
(Electrify America) 43cents per KWh.  
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1134762_fast-chargers-are-almost-as-profitable-as-gasoline-pumps-claims-bp-executive
Stay Charged,
Mark in Roanoke

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