Re: [EVDL] The Tesla Factor: Elon Musk Will Force Auto Industry To Roll Out Self-Driving Cars Sooner Than You Think - Forbes
Just put a stinking comment on the article, actually. He may be right on the autonomous vehicle issue but when he comes out with nonsense like 'the i8 is challenging the MS as the eco car of choice' you have to take anything else he says with a truck load of salt, let alone a pinch! MW On 6 Apr 2015, at 00:16, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Food for thought: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremyanwyl/2015/04/02/evidence-of-forces-behind-the-tesla-factor-at-this-weeks-new-york-auto-show/?ss=tech I tend to think he's right. I also think that the first long-haul trucking company to adopt self-driving rigs will thereby become the dominant force in that industry. Sure feels like we're at the cusp of a phase change, when all sorts of little things add up in a big and surprising way. b ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] The Tesla Factor: Elon Musk Will Force Auto Industry To Roll Out Self-Driving Cars Sooner Than You Think - Forbes
i commented and pointed out the i8 gets a masssive 15 miles electric On Mon, 4/6/15, Martin WINLOW via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Subject: Re: [EVDL] The Tesla Factor: Elon Musk Will Force Auto Industry To Roll Out Self-Driving Cars Sooner Than You Think - Forbes To: EVDL Post Message ev@lists.evdl.org Date: Monday, April 6, 2015, 3:47 AM Just put a stinking comment on the article, actually. He may be right on the autonomous vehicle issue but when he comes out with nonsense like 'the i8 is challenging the MS as the eco car of choice' you have to take anything else he says with a truck load of salt, let alone a pinch! MW On 6 Apr 2015, at 00:16, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Food for thought: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremyanwyl/2015/04/02/evidence-of-forces-behind-the-tesla-factor-at-this-weeks-new-york-auto-show/?ss=tech I tend to think he's right. I also think that the first long-haul trucking company to adopt self-driving rigs will thereby become the dominant force in that industry. Sure feels like we're at the cusp of a phase change, when all sorts of little things add up in a big and surprising way. b ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] The Tesla Factor: Elon Musk Will Force Auto Industry To Roll Out Self-Driving Cars Sooner Than You Think - Forbes
Well said Martin, The i8 is a sheep in wolves clothing. It is a very advanced body with a backward step regarding its drive. How can such a light car use more fuel then my Ampera when in ICE mode! Now a fully electric i8 would be of serious interest. On Mon, 6/4/15, Martin WINLOW via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Subject: Re: [EVDL] The Tesla Factor: Elon Musk Will Force Auto Industry To Roll Out Self-Driving Cars Sooner Than You Think - Forbes To: EVDL Post Message ev@lists.evdl.org Date: Monday, 6 April, 2015, 8:47 Just put a stinking comment on the article, actually. He may be right on the autonomous vehicle issue but when he comes out with nonsense like 'the i8 is challenging the MS as the eco car of choice' you have to take anything else he says with a truck load of salt, let alone a pinch! MW On 6 Apr 2015, at 00:16, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Food for thought: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremyanwyl/2015/04/02/evidence-of-forces-behind-the-tesla-factor-at-this-weeks-new-york-auto-show/?ss=tech I tend to think he's right. I also think that the first long-haul trucking company to adopt self-driving rigs will thereby become the dominant force in that industry. Sure feels like we're at the cusp of a phase change, when all sorts of little things add up in a big and surprising way. b ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] The Tesla Factor: Elon Musk Will Force Auto Industry To Roll Out Self-Driving Cars Sooner Than You Think - Forbes
There is always a market for quality and Tesla will do fine as long as they build the best product on the Market. From: tomw via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] The Tesla Factor: Elon Musk Will Force Auto Industry To Roll Out Self-Driving Cars Sooner Than You Think - Forbes I think the article is rubbish. As far as seeing that Tesla was addressing a small market with the S...well duh, but they have ameliorated that effect somewhat by selling globally. No other company is pushing a product competitive with the S yet, but it looks like that may change in a year or two. I think Tesla's survival depends on their ability to lower costs and develop competitive products in a wider market, which means lower priced products. That largely means competing with the existing car manufacturers on their own turf, tough going. Or, they just shrink and become a supplier of niche vehicles in the future, not what Elon has in mind with the gigafactory. One factor the article doesn't mention is psychological, how well accepted that new technology will be by the majority of Americans. I'm guessing it will be a niche market too, mainly the tech savvy, and will take quite a few years to become more widely accepted, so best for Tesla's success not to hinge on that. Don't know if this is the actual case, but I think it would be easy for the management at Tesla to develop group think, forgetting that most U.S. citizens don't live in silicon valley and work in high tech, and overestimating the appeal and acceptance of such features as self-driving as a result. Know your market. The vehicle market is shrinking with the increasing polarization of wealth in the U.S.. Many cannot afford to purchase a new vehicle, so maybe you mainly have to target those in the upper quintile or so income bracket. There will be a furious fight for market share in that smaller market in the future. -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/The-Tesla-Factor-Elon-Musk-Will-Force-Auto-Industry-To-Roll-Out-Self-Driving-Cars-Sooner-Than-You-Ths-tp4674777p4674791.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150406/277160e2/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] The Tesla Factor: Elon Musk Will Force Auto Industry To Roll Out Self-Driving Cars Sooner Than You Think - Forbes
On Apr 6, 2015, at 8:10 AM, tomw via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Don't know if this is the actual case, but I think it would be easy for the management at Tesla to develop group think, forgetting that most U.S. citizens don't live in silicon valley and work in high tech, and overestimating the appeal and acceptance of such features as self-driving as a result. I think the overwhelming majority -- near unanimity, in fact -- would absolutely love a self-driving car. Even those who enjoy driving...there're still be times they'll want / need to take a phone call, be too tired / drunk to safely drive, and so on. Most commuters would, I'm sure, rather watch TV or get caught up on email or post something on MyFaceTwit or whatever than have to make life-or-death decisions about how to maneuver a two-ton hunk of metal and glass and plastic with themselves caged within. Will they trust current technology? Could they afford current technology? Those're different questions. But the desire most emphatically exists. Just look at all the idiots on the road shaving or putting on makeup or texting or yakking on the phone...each and every one of those would much rather _not_ be driving. b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150406/8b21ddc3/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] The Tesla Factor: Elon Musk Will Force Auto Industry To Roll Out Self-Driving Cars Sooner Than You Think - Forbes
Food for thought: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremyanwyl/2015/04/02/evidence-of-forces-behind-the-tesla-factor-at-this-weeks-new-york-auto-show/?ss=tech I tend to think he's right. I also think that the first long-haul trucking company to adopt self-driving rigs will thereby become the dominant force in that industry. Sure feels like we're at the cusp of a phase change, when all sorts of little things add up in a big and surprising way. b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150405/113f96a8/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
