Re: [EVDL] Subject: Re: George Bush father now: Nissan Leaf Compliance car?

[Jamie K via EV]

Our 2013 LEAF SV is still showing 12 bars of battery. It has more than 
40,000 miles and handles 99% of our trips which are area roads and 
highways. Fast charging is useful for extending its range on longer 
trips, but we mostly charge at home as needed. With the auto-timed 
charging it's charged and ready when we are.


The LEAF is our primary car. It's more fun to drive, quieter, quicker 
and smoother acceleration, with NO oil changes, gas stations or pesky 
ICE maintenance and stinky fumes.


We also have an older Prius for occasional road trips. It's less than 
half as efficient as the LEAF but at least it beats most ICE cars. The 
LEAF does what we need it to do, as does, for now, the Prius, which will 
eventually be replaced in its role by a Model 3 or equivalent.


I liked the IMEV but it didn't quite have the range for our primary 
vehicle needs. Of course needs vary; our LEAF wouldn't work for some 
people but it works well for us. Newer longer range LEAFs and cars like 
the Bolt and Model 3 open the door for more people to appreciate the 
benefits of driving electric. Good times.


Cheers,
 -Jamie


On 8/11/18 4:49 PM, Willie via EV wrote:



On 08/11/2018 12:15 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
We have had three Leafs.  The 2012 Leaf had a bad battery.  We turned 
it back in.  Our 2013 Leaf has normal battery degradation.  We can 
still eek out a hundred miles range on the freeway.  This is at 42k 
miles.  Still very useful.  Our 2016 Nissan is still showing 150 miles 
range at times and this is driven miles plus guessometer.  On our last 
trip to Southern California from San Francisco we  went from Salinas 
to San Luis Obispo  135 miles and still had 20 percent left.   The 30 
kw Leaf is fantastic.  The IMEV simply in it's original configuration 
does not meet our needs   Nissan has made the effort to improve the 
batteries of their cars.  The IMEV in my opinion is an embarrassment 
to the EV design community.  We paid 14k for the 2013 with 2,600 miles 
on the clock.  The 30kw was EVen better at 13,550.  We will buy this 
car after the lease.  Sorry you had a bad experience with your Leaf 
but almost everyone with a 2011 or 2012 had a bad experience.  We also 
needed fast charging.  I don't believe the IMEV has fast charging.  
The IMEV is a putt putt for city use similar to a smart car.  Every 
car has it's mission but to compare an IMEV to a Nissan Leaf is to 
compare a Nissan Leaf to a Tesla. In price/performance the Leaf is a 
clear winner.  It gets me where I want to go.  It is comfortable.  It 
is inexpensive.  I don't care how it looks David.  I just wish it had 
the aerodynamics of a Hyundai. Lawrence Rhodes


You don't mention personal experience with an imiev.

Is "putt put" intended to be derogatory?

I thought Leafs were 80kw.  Are they now offering a low power model to 
increase efficiency?


Both my imievs have standard chademo charging though I almost never use 
it.  Chademo charging was, I believe, a $700 option on my Leaf.  I did 
not buy it.


I use my imievs to travel rural roads to towns up to about 30 miles 
distant.  I typically drive below 60 mph to maximize range.  But they 
will go 80 mph or so.  They are very rarely driven in a city.


I have a fair amount of experience with the three cars mentioned. 
Clearly, a Tesla is superior to an imiev.  But, IMHO, both Teslas and 
imievs are superior to Leafs in all ways that I care about.  My low Leaf 
rating is due to unreliability and lack of support.  Mitsubishi may well 
have the same support problems as Nissan but I've never needed imiev 
support.


Of course, we all make our own judgments.  And you are welcome to yours.

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Re: [EVDL] Subject: Re: George Bush father now: Nissan Leaf Compliance car?

[Peri Hartman via EV]

The original Leaf has an 80kW motor and a 24kWh battery.

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Compliance car?



On 11 August 2018 at 23:49, Willie via EV  wrote:



I thought Leafs were 80kw.  Are they now offering a low power model to
increase efficiency?


No, it's just the usual casual attitude to the difference between
drive system power (kW) and battery capacity (kWh).

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Re: [EVDL] Subject: Re: George Bush father now: Nissan Leaf Compliance car?

[Paul Compton via EV]

On 11 August 2018 at 23:49, Willie via EV  wrote:


> I thought Leafs were 80kw.  Are they now offering a low power model to
> increase efficiency?

No, it's just the usual casual attitude to the difference between
drive system power (kW) and battery capacity (kWh).

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www.morini-mania.co.uk
www.paulcompton.co.uk (YouTube channel)
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Re: [EVDL] Subject: Re: George Bush father now: Nissan Leaf Compliance car?

[Willie via EV]

On 08/11/2018 05:45 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
I'll stand up for Nissan, too. I have a thousand complaints but I think, 
overall, they did a great job. What really matters is whether you want 
to be an early adopter and take some risk.


I was an early adopter for both Nissan/Leaf and Tesla.  I can tell you 
that there is a WORLD of difference.


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Re: [EVDL] Subject: Re: George Bush father now: Nissan Leaf Compliance car?

[Willie via EV]

On 08/11/2018 12:15 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:

We have had three Leafs.  The 2012 Leaf had a bad battery.  We turned it back 
in.  Our 2013 Leaf has normal battery degradation.  We can still eek out a 
hundred miles range on the freeway.  This is at 42k miles.  Still very useful.  
Our 2016 Nissan is still showing 150 miles range at times and this is driven 
miles plus guessometer.  On our last trip to Southern California from San 
Francisco we  went from Salinas to San Luis Obispo  135 miles and still had 20 
percent left.   The 30 kw Leaf is fantastic.  The IMEV simply in it's original 
configuration does not meet our needs   Nissan has made the effort to improve 
the batteries of their cars.  The IMEV in my opinion is an embarrassment to the 
EV design community.  We paid 14k for the 2013 with 2,600 miles on the clock.  
The 30kw was EVen better at 13,550.  We will buy this car after the lease.  
Sorry you had a bad experience with your Leaf but almost everyone with a 2011 
or 2012 had a bad experience.  We also needed fast charging.  I don't believe 
the IMEV has fast charging.  The IMEV is a putt putt for city use similar to a 
smart car.  Every car has it's mission but to compare an IMEV to a Nissan Leaf 
is to compare a Nissan Leaf to a Tesla. In price/performance the Leaf is a 
clear winner.  It gets me where I want to go.  It is comfortable.  It is 
inexpensive.  I don't care how it looks David.  I just wish it had the 
aerodynamics of a Hyundai. Lawrence Rhodes


You don't mention personal experience with an imiev.

Is "putt put" intended to be derogatory?

I thought Leafs were 80kw.  Are they now offering a low power model to 
increase efficiency?


Both my imievs have standard chademo charging though I almost never use 
it.  Chademo charging was, I believe, a $700 option on my Leaf.  I did 
not buy it.


I use my imievs to travel rural roads to towns up to about 30 miles 
distant.  I typically drive below 60 mph to maximize range.  But they 
will go 80 mph or so.  They are very rarely driven in a city.


I have a fair amount of experience with the three cars mentioned. 
Clearly, a Tesla is superior to an imiev.  But, IMHO, both Teslas and 
imievs are superior to Leafs in all ways that I care about.  My low Leaf 
rating is due to unreliability and lack of support.  Mitsubishi may well 
have the same support problems as Nissan but I've never needed imiev 
support.


Of course, we all make our own judgments.  And you are welcome to yours.

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Re: [EVDL] Subject: Re: George Bush father now: Nissan Leaf Compliance car?

[Peri Hartman via EV]

I'll stand up for Nissan, too. I have a thousand complaints but I think, 
overall, they did a great job. What really matters is whether you want 
to be an early adopter and take some risk.


Peri

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From: "Lawrence Rhodes via EV" 
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Cc: "Lawrence Rhodes" 
Sent: 11-Aug-18 10:15:58 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Subject: Re: George Bush father now: Nissan Leaf 
Compliance car?


We have had three Leafs.  The 2012 Leaf had a bad battery.  We turned 
it back in.  Our 2013 Leaf has normal battery degradation.  We can 
still eek out a hundred miles range on the freeway.  This is at 42k 
miles.  Still very useful.  Our 2016 Nissan is still showing 150 miles 
range at times and this is driven miles plus guessometer.  On our last 
trip to Southern California from San Francisco we  went from Salinas to 
San Luis Obispo  135 miles and still had 20 percent left.   The 30 kw 
Leaf is fantastic.  The IMEV simply in it's original configuration does 
not meet our needs   Nissan has made the effort to improve the 
batteries of their cars.  The IMEV in my opinion is an embarrassment to 
the EV design community.  We paid 14k for the 2013 with 2,600 miles on 
the clock.  The 30kw was EVen better at 13,550.  We will buy this car 
after the lease.  Sorry you had a bad experience with your Leaf but 
almost everyone with a 2011 or 2012 had a bad experience.  We also 
needed fast charging.  I don't believe the IMEV has fast charging.  The 
IMEV is a putt putt for city use similar to a smart car.  Every car has 
it's mission but to compare an IMEV to a Nissan Leaf is to compare a 
Nissan Leaf to a Tesla. In price/performance the Leaf is a clear 
winner.  It gets me where I want to go.  It is comfortable.  It is 
inexpensive.  I don't care how it looks David.  I just wish it had the 
aerodynamics of a Hyundai. Lawrence Rhodes

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