Re: Fwd: why is death painful? - Validity and Morality of QS

1999-06-08 Thread Russell Standish

 
 
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 In a message dated 99-06-08 02:04:53 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  
  I think we are touching on the BIG PROBLEM that will concern the ethicisists 
  of the 21th century and beyond. How to give meaning to physical life and 
  counter QS in view of the MWI. For if we do not find a reason to counter QS 
  the future of the human race is doomed (in most worlds) if the concept of 
  measure can be quantified in any ways. 
 
 The problem of QS and Quantum Immortality is major and, as the reality of 
 Quantum theory trickles down into the general public and becomes familiar, 
 these issues will probably become the most important moral dilemma of the 
 future. Most recent posts have only been preaching to the choir and I am one 
 of them. We need all the devil's advocates we can find. Are we or are we not 
 immortal? Is QS Good or Evil? Do we want to become big fish in a small 
 pond or small fish in a big pond? (I.e., restrict the measure of the world we 
 perceive for our own benefit, OR allow ourselves to propagate as much as 
 possible through the MW and suffer the strings of outrageous fortune. Let's 
 hear some strong clear and convincing arguments opposing QS. Jacques Mallah 
 were are you? 



Why is this important? It is clear that QS as a meme has low survival
value, and so would not propagate through the whole human
population. Most of the humans that share our own here and now will
believe that suicide is not worth it (for whatever reason). Those that
do will die in our universe and therefore be irrelevant to it, and
have little influence over what the bulk of the population believes.




Dr. Russell StandishDirector
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University of NSW   Phone 9385 6967
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Re: Q Wars Episode 10^9: the Phantom Measure

1999-06-08 Thread Christopher Maloney

Higgo James wrote:
 
 Well said, but I'm not sure your definition of 'I' holds. There are
 infinitely many 'Chris Maloneys' born in a hospital of the same name of
 parents of the same name... etc etc etc who are in no way connected with
 you. Besides, these identifiers are all social naming conventions. And
 perhaps you'll change your name tomorrow.
 

Okay, you're right.  I was just trying to define a root of the tree 
somewhere.  Perhaps I should have said, go back in time along the
thread that me-here-now is on, to the exact time of my birth, and
then define that thing as C(0,{}).  There are still conceivably
problems with that, if you consider that worlds might fuse as well
as split, then there's no unique path back in time.

But another point I was trying to make, and which you emphasize when
you say perhaps you'll change your name tomorrow, is that there
are people walking around who are me in the sense that they are in
the set C(t,B), but who have very little resemblance to me-here-now.
So you have to be careful when using terms like me, or even
me-like objects.


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Chris Maloney
http://www.chrismaloney.com

Knowledge is good
-- Emil Faber