Re: spooky action at a distance

2003-11-15 Thread John Collins
Do we live in a universe in which future coin tosses will invariably result
in heads, or one in which a mixture of results will occur?
Of course, we live in both, but the latter constitutes a numerically much
larger class of universes; one would imagine it would be the same with
physical laws, including those governing wave-function collapse: That some
laws would have a much larger measure, and would always be the ones we
discover.
-Chris C
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From: Hal Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: spooky action at a distance


 This list is dedicated to exploring the implications of the prospect
 that all universes exist.  According to this principle, universes
 exist with all possible laws of physics.  It follows that universes
 exist which follow the MWI; and universes exist where only one branch
 is real and where the other branches are eliminated.  Universes exist
 where the transactional interpretation is true, and where Penrose's
 objective reduction happens.  I'm tempted to even say that universes
 exist where the Copenhagen interpretation is true, but that seems to be
 more a refusal to ask questions than a genuine interpretation.

 Therefore it is somewhat pointless to argue about whether we are in one
 or another of these universes.  In fact, I would claim that we are
 in all of these, at least all that are not logically inconsistent or
 incompatible with the data.  That is, our conscious experience spans
 multiple universes; we are instantiated equally and equivalently in
 universes which have different laws of physics, but where the differences
 are so subtle that they have no effect on our observations.

 It may be that at some future time, we can perform an experiment which
 will provide evidence to eliminate or confirm some of these possible QM
 interpretations.  At that time, our consciousness will differentiate,
 and we will go on in each of the separate universes, with separate
 consciousness.

 It is still useful to discuss whether the various interpretations work
 at all, and whether they are in fact compatible with our experimental
 results.  But to go beyond that and to try to determine which one is
 true is, according to the multiverse philosophy, an empty exercise.
 All are true; all are instantiated in the multiverse, and we live in
 all of them.

 Hal




Re: spooky action at a distance

2003-11-15 Thread Hal Finney
John Collins, [EMAIL PROTECTED], writes:
 Do we live in a universe in which future coin tosses will invariably result
 in heads, or one in which a mixture of results will occur?
 Of course, we live in both, but the latter constitutes a numerically much
 larger class of universes; one would imagine it would be the same with
 physical laws, including those governing wave-function collapse: That some
 laws would have a much larger measure, and would always be the ones we
 discover.

That makes sense.  So instead of arguing over whether wave-function
collapse occurs, we should argue over what is the fraction of our
experiences in which it occurs.

Hal



Why is there something instead of nothing?

2003-11-15 Thread Norman Samish
Does this question have an answer?  I think the question shows there is a
limit to our understanding of things and is unanswerable.  Does anybody
disagree?

Norman