Re: Wolfram Alpha

2009-03-12 Thread Mirek Dobsicek

Günther Greindl wrote:
 Kim,
 
 great post, thanks!

I second that!

cheers,
 mirek

 Kim Jones wrote:
 Let's keep it simple. Schools and universities (globally identifiable as 
 'the education industry') have traditionally fulfilled the role of 
 fountains of knowledge.
 ..

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Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-03-12 Thread John Mikes
Gunther wrote:

...assuming that _every_ computation is conscious qua computation? 
brings up in my mind: thinking in comp (at least: in numbers) translates
'conscious' into 'computed' ??
(That would imply an elevation from the binary embryonic contraption as our
computer into more sophisticated systems, if I dare say: 'analogue'?)
 - - -proposal for vocabulary - - -

John M




On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Günther Greindl guenther.grei...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 Hi Bruno,

  1-OM, (by step 7, correspond to infinity (aleph_zero)  of 3-OMs,
  themselves embedded in bigger infinities (2^aleph_zero) of
  computations going trough their corresponding states.
  Between you-in-the-living room, and you-in-the-kitchen there is
  already a continuum of stories/computations.

 I'm fine up to here.

  The alien should be able to shut down the universal dovetailer. By

 No, they need not - see below.

  I think you (momentarily perhaps?) forget the full consequence of the
  seventh uda step. You, in the next instant, is literally determined by
  a continuum of computations+oracles executed by the UD. Thanks to

 I am aware of Step 7: but I don't agree that all computations need
 correspond to a continuation of an OM.

 You agree that some continuations can actually be a non-continuation,
 don't you? For instance, in Quantum suicide, there are versions of you
 which die (visibly for other observers) - so there are continuations
 of your state which code your termination.

 I do not see following from UDA that all computational continuations
 need correspond to OMs. For instance, in step 1 we say yes doctor, but
 we don't say yes to every doctor, for instance to the one arriving with
 some cogwheels - no doctor ;-)

 So, what I am saying is that maybe in some cases (cul de sac) _all_
 (2^aleph_zero) continuations actually code for termination (=the
 teleport fails completely, but annihilation unfortunately succeeds).

 How can you exclude that? Are you assuming that _every_ computation is
 conscious qua computation? (then I would agree - QI; but I don't share
 that assumption, and I don't see it anywhere in UDA)

 Best Wishes,
 Günther

 


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