On computational subjectivity: Leibniz's Grand Perceiver as Cloud Computing-- and the One (or God) as WiFi Sharing thereof
Oh, please. How on earth do you get from sharing happy snaps and calendar appointments between your gadgets to God? Theidiocy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: We are all naturally racists. Political correctness is likely to get you killed.
On Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:03:54 AM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: I can not resist to say something. THat something is innate or natural means that whatever to do with it must take into accout that this is innate or natural, no matter if this is morally positive or negative. Something natural can not be prohibited . Only can be regulated. Natural ignorance doesn't need to be prohibited, it can be educated into voluntary transcendence. It's natural to crap in our pants, but through a process which often requires much patience and unconditional love, even very young children can learn to first accept that they must participate in the political correctness of forced indoor plumbing use, and ultimately they may discover that indeed the community of anti-pants-crapping is a beneficial community to be a part of. Craig Take revenge for example. Revenge is something natural, an evolutionary instinct, that correspond with an evolutionarily stable strategy intended to impose, in the adversary, an evil greater than the benefit it may have taken with his offense, making further attacks to you unworthy. That works even If you loose in the process of revenge a lot of effort. Well that beyond the tribal life is deleterious for a civilized society, since retaliations can escalate etc. Many societies have the revenge ritualized or codified. Others create an institution, the justice, that judge and administer punishments to produce the same unworthiness of offenses, but avoid retaliations. So revenge by cool-blood killing an offender is punished as an horrible crime. But the law it does not punish the small retaliations in the workplace, between former friends, among couples in the day to day lves There is ample set of aspects where retaliation is permitted while it does not cause violence. It is logical: It would be comic to see people going to the justice like the children go to their parents saying look my brother pushed me, punish it! Well, with the hysteria of racism we are going in this nonsensical path. People want to be equally or more antiracist than the neighbor. Perhaps because people need to be united by some common beliefs and values, and when there is no belief nor values, they are fabricated, The more crazy they are, the more lies and half truths they imply, the more they work as elements of cohesion. See my other posts. The recently converted moral zealots of antiracism -or whatever is in fashion now- are scanning you. Take care 2013/7/17 Roger Clough rcl...@verizon.net javascript: Political correctness is likely to get you killed. We are all naturally racists. Blame it on Darwin. Zenophobia -- fear or dislike of outsiders--is what has allowed us to survive. Unfortunately the liberalized dictionaries I can find online refer to it as abnormal or irrational. Is it abnormal to be cautious in the presence of strangers ? The left refers to such feelings as politically incorrect. But I don't think it is irrational for a mother to tell her children not to talk to strangers, no matter what their color. We instinctively, for our own safety, are somewhat fearful and unfriendly to strangers, no matter what their color. Jesus said to love our neighbors, but he didn't say to go looking for strangers to love. So IMHO political correctness is likely to get you killed. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Capitalism : the way of creating wealth OUT OF THIN AIR
Thanks Telmo That sheds a little more light on where you're coming from. I watched those videos with interest and found the Austrian school fascinating. Apologies in advance for the length of this post and for the howling errors in reasoning it undoubtedly contains. I’m just a beginner! So the Australian school sees the interest related activities of a central bank to have a distorting effect on the pool of information available to market participants and that this distortion is responsible for booms and busts. i.e. Artificially high interest rates gives investors the impression that people are saving for future consumption, when in fact they might not be. And so on. But the central banks are not secretive about the fluctuations in interest rates they impose, the exact increases/decreases they make are available and are frequently reviewed. The reasons they are imposed are out in the open. In other words, it should be possible to adjust for central bank activity and invest wisely. Why doesn't that happen? As far as I can tell, the spectre of market fundamentalism lurks behind the scenes in the Austrian school. The view is that the market behaves rationally in the absence of regulation. It doesn't entertain the idea that human understanding is inherently distorted and fallible and that errors in judgement arise quite naturally. I depart from the Austrian school at this point. If distortion is just part of the human condition then an argument for regulation re-emerges. Of course, if the central bank is the only source of distortion then it needs to be gotten rid of. But is it really a major culprit? Boom bust cycles existed long before central banks, so they can not be a necessary cause. And we see wild 'boom busts' in decentralized systems like bitcoin. Why? You say the hope is that it will just 'settle down'. I say it is behaving as any decentralized system would. Its acute in bitcoin because it is the classical fiat currency. It is anchored by nothing but perception of value and is therefore blown this way and that by the naturally distorted perceptions of those who participate in it. Like you I wish the system was more equitable. But is bitcoin equitable? I don't think so. From its conception it creates a natural bitcoin aristocracy because as time goes on it gets harder and harder to mine coins and, as usual, an individual's ability to gather resources depends on the power they already have. Rich people can afford bigger and better computers to crunch numbers, me with my zx81, well … im screwed. And that has happened. The majority of bit coins are owned by the minority of participants. If bitcoin were to become a global currency an oligarchy is already in place to wield injustice upon the 99.% of us. Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:58:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Capitalism : the way of creating wealth OUT OF THIN AIR From: jami...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Nobody raised the point that we are living in the aura of some obsolete dream about a world that is long gone and 'apply' the same words to regulate our lives in an advanced (completely changed) world (system) 2-300 years later. The world changed. We are obsolete. Nobody 'owns' NATURE, the environment (agricultural(?) and mining(!) products), forests, prairies and their ecosystems (from wood to wolves) nor 'water' and should not 'sell' those items for profit. It is only the activity to bring them about that may charge for reimbursement. Not even the access to it. It is not different from 'owning' persons. We not only need a new law-construct, we need a new perspective. Freedom means to feel free to do ANYTHING without any infringement of anybody else's freedom. On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/18/2013 2:27 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Also, it's a funny moment in History to pretend that giving this much power to governments does not have consequences. What if the economy is saved but we end up living under a modern global Stasi? This sounded like conspiracy theory stuff a few weeks ago, but what about now? My hope is that bitcoin or something like that will finally set us free from the criminals that have been running the financial systems. I still believe in technology more than I believe in politics. But it's technology that's enabling the global Stasi. If someone had to actually listen to your phonecalls and take notes our privacy would be secure. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit
