Re: NYTimes.com: White House Seeks $65 Billion for ‘Apollo’ Plan to Prepare for Future Pandemics

2021-09-09 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List

You discard the Post as I discard the the Ny times. I can and do play the game 
as well. The fictionist thinking I can cite from memory is their economist  in 
2016(Reich) predicting a stock market crash in 2017. Scientists have turned out 
to be ideologists and narcissists just like everyone else. Shall we look at 
Lysenko, the eugenicists, Galton, Davenport, etc? For Fauci we look to the 
Australian media using The Intercept as a news source. The Intercept is nice 
and Left, but they obtained the evidence, so they ran with 
it.https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/dr-anthony-fauci-accused-of-lying-about-gainoffunction-wuhan-research/news-story/9e73396f5dd25ed50a29b5c561f1437c
Not the Post so no worries.



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From: John Clark 
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Prepare for Future Pandemics

On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 6:45 PM  wrote:


> You hold the view that like the popes, scientists are infallible 
> axiomatically.

Thanks for informing me of that, I had absolutely no idea I held that view.  

 > Fauci had been “untruthful” about gain-of-function
https://nypost.com/2021/09/07/wuhan-lab-documents-show-fauci-untruthful-about-research-critics/

And your authority is the New York post?!  Next time pick a more respectable 
source, like "Thrilling Stories Of The Supernatural" or "UFO Digest" or "Wonder 
Tales Of The Bermuda Triangle". 

John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
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Re: RIP Steven Weinberg

2021-09-09 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List

If the universe con be understood as a process, a program, then what is lost, 
to us forever, may over the duration of our species, found again. It's 
speculation but speculation with a direction, a goal. It was uncovered so to 
speak, mechanism-wise, by a team led by Andrew Strominger. If Professor 
Strominger calls BS, this is fine. Few scientists have any control over the 
results of their work, here as well. 
https://turingchurch.net/the-infrared-memory-of-the-universe-hints-at-future-akashic-physics-3f9a072f0ca6
concerning this 
study:https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691179506/lectures-on-the-infrared-structure-of-gravity-and-gauge-theory
Using this machinery as a power support and information processor as advanced 
by Russian futurists, Alexy Turchin & Maxim Chernyakov. 
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/dyson-sphere-may-key-human-134924660.html
Sean Carroll's views of such claims is: No fricking 
way!https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/physics-and-the-immortality-of-the-soul/
Dr. Carroll may have been wrong on this, if one ponders that our descendants 
who will thinkably have more time and resources to play with. 
Consider:https://medium.com/the-infinite-universe/quantum-scrambling-could-lead-to-resurrection-of-the-dead-e5cf3e668119

How confident of this is this American serf? Well, sometimes it works, and 
other times I poop out. Today is an up day for the lad. I expect that 
eventually, things will after a fashion work out, technologically, 
expectation-wise.
So, like the ancient bumper sticker went, WWHD? What Would Jesus Do, I ask 
instead, HWJDI? How would Jesus do it? 




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From: Bruno Marchal 
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Sent: Wed, Sep 8, 2021 9:39 am
Subject: RIP Steven Weinberg

Steven Weinberg is no more, since recently. I did appreciate very much his 
books on quantum mechanics, and also his introduction to quantum field theory.
I have mentioned more than once his work showing that if you delinearise a 
little bit quantum mechanics, not only you cannot make the parallel 
worlds/histories disappearing, but somehow, it makes possible to visit those 
parallel worlds, or, to use an image by Weinberg, to call your doppelgänger 
with a phone.
This provides a quantum and dual way to refute John Clark argument against the 
first person indeterminacy in arithmetic. John argue dans le parallel histories 
in arithmetic allows in principle the doppelgänger to meet, so that it is 
different from the indeterminacy on the superposition. But the point is that 
the indeterminacy calculus cannot change based on such counterfactual, unless 
adding magic to Mechanism, but then Mechanism is false by definition. A dual 
counterexample based on this work by Weinberg is that delineairsing a little 
bit the Schroedinger equation, in such a way that the indeterminacy remains 
unchanged, makes the doppelgänger accessible, like with the classical 
duplication, and yet does not change the calculus of indeterminacy different, 
illustrating once again you need to add magic to Mechanism to avoid, like in 
quantum mechanics, the first person indeterminacy.
A more serious difficulty is to make people understand the original paper of 
Turing, Church, Post, which shows (along with Gödel) that the arithmetical 
reality is (more than) Turing complete. This follows from understanding 
arithmetic, or, at a more formal level, by understanding that all models of 
arithmetic have the same initials segment in which addition and multiplication 
stay Turing emulable (which is not the case in the whole non standard models. 
this requires a bit of mathematical logic, which is not well taught, when 
taught at all.
Once you grasp this, even without Mechanism, you can understand that the burden 
of the proof is in the hand of those who add some more axioms to arithmetic, 
like the existence of some "primitive matter" which have to justify its role in 
consciousness selection from arithmetic. In deductive theology, it is better to 
not add any ontological commitment before a reason is provided to it. Up to 
now, observation confirms mechanism. If they was one fact in favour of non 
mechanism, or in favour of something more than numbers, I would welcome it, but 
there are none, as far as I know. On the contrary, Everett QM confirms all 
prediction of classical Digital Mechanism, and explains furthermore the qualia 
and consciousness, as notion of knowledge imposed through self-reference and 
incompleteness.
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