So now dark matter don't exist MoND city

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New measurements support the idea that dark matter doesn’t exist (msn.com)



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Re: On The Super Intellect and the cosmos

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Things that we're not accustomed to seeing as living or intelligent could 
exist. Whose job is it to give forth evidence of this? People in the sciences. 
How likely is this to be a real thing? Unlikely, because I go with the 
scientists, and nobody is getting a fat budget pursuing this idea. It's not 
something I am sweating because the Fermi Paradox s mostly entertainment. 
Interesting, but not existential for humans. Could Hoyles clouds or other 
things be alive, and we wouldn't have a clue? Yep! Would scientists be 
surprised if something unusual arrived? Obviously. 
What could open up this as a possibility without breaking the budget? A 
computer model. That assuming it wasn't pure GiGo? Then we'd know where to aim 
our radio telescopes.


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On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 1:09 PM  wrote:


> Lets speculate.They ain't things on a planet.

Irrelevant  

> They're highly smart,

Far far smarter than any human.  

> They kinds of things they are, never having been near a gravity well, seeing 
> it as a threat, would put themselves at risk only, yes, for photons. 

If they value photons why do they let 99.% of them be radiated 
uselessly into infinite space instead of putting them to work? And humans are 
at risk if they are NOT at the bottom of a gravitational well, but that hasn't 
stopped them from making use of outer space.  


> Their communication would look like stellar and cosmological phenomena, 
> stars, neutron stars, black holes. 

Why?
 
> You do know we need to correct our view on GRB's don't you? 

 Maybe, but what does that gotta do with the price of eggs ? 

John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
poq

 
 members of Mr. Cloud's species like to communicate by radio among themselves 
over vast galactic and even intergalactic distances. But we hear nothing. And 
humans have engineered the surface of the Earth, so why the hell would you 
believe that neither Mr. Black Cloud nor any of his friends would want to 
engineer the cosmos? Even if for some strange reason most felt that photons 
radiating uselessly into infinite space was preferable to photons being put to 
use powering a brain, do you really believe every single one of them would feel 
that way without exception?  After all it would only take one contrarian to get 
the ball rolling, and after that the universe would never look the same again.

   
gbr
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Re: On The Super Intellect and the cosmos

[John Clark]

On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 1:09 PM  wrote:

> *Lets speculate. *
> *They ain't things on a planet.*
>

Irrelevant

*> They're highly smart,*
>

Far far smarter than any human.

*> They kinds of things they are, never having been near a gravity well,
> seeing it as a threat, would put themselves at risk only, yes, for
> photons. *
>

If they value photons why do they let 99.% of them be radiated
uselessly into infinite space instead of putting them to work? And humans
are at risk if they are *NOT* at the bottom of a gravitational well, but
that hasn't stopped them from making use of outer space.


*> Their communication would look like stellar and cosmological phenomena,
> stars, neutron stars, black holes. *
>

Why?



> *> You do know we need to correct our view on GRB's don't you? *
>

 Maybe, but what does that gotta do with the price of eggs ?


John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

poq




>  members of Mr. Cloud's species like to communicate by radio among
> themselves over vast galactic and even intergalactic distances. But we hear
> nothing. And humans have engineered the surface of the Earth, so why the
> hell would you believe that neither Mr. Black Cloud nor any of his friends
> would want to engineer the cosmos? Even if for some strange reason most
> felt that photons radiating uselessly into infinite space was preferable to
> photons being put to use powering a brain, do you really believe every
> single one of them would feel that way without exception?  After all it
> would only take one contrarian to get the ball rolling, and after that the
> universe would never look the same again.
>
>
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Re: On The Super Intellect and the cosmos

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Lets speculate.They ain't things on a planet.They're highly smart,They kinds of 
things they are, never having been near a gravity well, seeing it as a threat, 
would put themselves at risk only, yes, for photons. Their communication would 
look like stellar and cosmological phenomena, stars, neutron stars, black 
holes. You do know we need to correct our view on GRB's don't you?  Not Black 
Holes: Astronomers May Need To Rethink How Gamma-Ray Bursts Are Formed 
(scitechdaily.com)

Their chat won't look like our chat. 











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On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 12:01 PM  wrote:


> Now, why the hell would you believe an interstellar smart entity like BC 
> would jabber away or even do broadcasts or narrowcasts just like us???

Because members of Mr. Cloud's species like to communicate by radio among 
themselves over vast galactic and even intergalactic distances. But we hear 
nothing. And humans have engineered the surface of the Earth, so why the hell 
would you believe that neither Mr. Black Cloud nor any of his friends would 
want to engineer the cosmos? Even if for some strange reason most felt that 
photons radiating uselessly into infinite space was preferable to photons being 
put to use powering a brain, do you really believe every single one of them 
would feel that way without exception?  After all it would only take one 
contrarian to get the ball rolling, and after that the universe would never 
look the same again.

   John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
gbr
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Re: On The Super Intellect and the cosmos

[John Clark]

On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 12:01 PM  wrote:

*> Now, why the hell would you believe an interstellar smart entity like BC
> would jabber away or even do broadcasts or narrowcasts just like us???*
>

Because members of Mr. Cloud's species like to communicate by radio among
themselves over vast galactic and even intergalactic distances. But we hear
nothing. And humans have engineered the surface of the Earth, so why the
hell would you believe that neither Mr. Black Cloud nor any of his friends
would want to engineer the cosmos? Even if for some strange reason most
felt that photons radiating uselessly into infinite space was preferable to
photons being put to use powering a brain, do you really believe every
single one of them would feel that way without exception?  After all it
would only take one contrarian to get the ball rolling, and after that the
universe would never look the same again.

   John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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Re: On The Super Intellect and the cosmos

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Well recalling the novella (1957) the predicament was as you have known for 
years is that Black Cloud needed sunlight to nosh on. What BC didn't know that 
you, JC already know, was that life was capable of producing life and after an 
introduction, moved his cloudy ass out of earth's light zone. Call it a 
learning experience. 
Black Cloud could be the equivalent of our Boltzmann Brain (whom I sacrifice 
goats to appease!), and smart as one, though never as powerful, since BB can 
dream up a universe, and cloudy just does his interstellar jaunt looking for 
other clouds to mate with (I guess?).  
Yes, Civ is civilization for stenographic purposes.
Now, why the hell would you believe an interstellar smart entity like BC would 
jabber away or even do broadcasts or narrowcasts just like us??? My guess it'd 
be looking for meetups somewhere in the Clouds of Magellan, and, "see ya in 7.4 
million earth years, save a dark matter seat for me!"  To Cloudy, we'd be 
sub-sub-microscopic radio propagators and not what The Cloud is used to BS-ing 
with. 


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On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 10:55 AM  wrote:


> Simply, the smart life in the cosmos is smart clouds perhaps forming a vast 
> civ?

I'm not fluent so it took me a while but eventually I figured that "civ" 
probably means "civilization" in the Spudeze language, if so that certainly 
doesn't explain why we have never seen the slightest hint of intelligence in 
the universe other than on this planet , and it doesn't explain why the 
universe has not been engineered and lets an astronomical number of photons to 
be radiated uselessly into space instead of being used to power calculations 
and enhance consciousness. Human beings seem smart enough to get the ball 
rolling on the way to producing something they can fundamentally change the 
nature of the cosmos given enough time, and Fred Hoyle's Black Cloud is 
supposed to be enormously smarter than even the smartest human being so I see 
no reason why it couldn't do it even faster,

 > You said it yourself. Fred Hoyle's The Black Cloud. Yes. It did use radio 
 > waves to chat. So, closer to the 1977 WOW signal because planetary things 
 > don't use radio the way Mr. Black Cloud did.  


I don't know what you mean by that, Mr. Black Cloud  made use of 
electromagnetic waves just as we do. In fact unlike us the black cloud uses 
radio waves in the operation of its very brain, and yet even our most sensitive 
radio telescopes have never heard a peep from them. And the "wow signal" does 
not impress me.   
John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis





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Re: How Many Multiverses Are There?

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Ha! Math over Physics??? You sir are no Platonist!! (Labored breathing).
I, over the years, go back and forth between math as the first thing, or 
physics being the first thing, with math heads following along and playing 
catch up. I am sort of good with math being number 1 because it anticipates so 
much that physics, say, through astronomy, and accelerators discovers 
eventually. Like Diophantine equations! And, don't we all just live the phrase 
Diophantine equations? 
Moreover, and not, Noether, I tend to look for people who provide solutions to 
the existential, whether they align as drooling religious fanatics, such as 
myself, or virulent, militant, Atheists such as yourselves in this wee emailing 
list.
In the latter category I have been buying the following, guy's books for a 
number of years because I like the logic, have zero problems with his atheism 
(big deal!) and like his philosophical knack for seeking to solve probs, 
especially, the existential. Math has the broader approach if one is willing to 
hang around long enough to see physics, astronomy, chemistry, and biology, 
catch the hell up! 
Summary- I got this on back order. The Dude loves math. 
https://www.amazon.com/Atheistic-Platonism-Manifesto-Frontiers-Philosophy/dp/3031177517/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8==
My general philosophy is to try not kick anyone in the balls who is trying to 
help. Could be a pope, could be Dawkins, could be a politician, could be a bum. 
My model philosopher for this is Richard Rorty.
So, math beats physics but physics is what delivers. So far!


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From: Lawrence Crowell 
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Sent: Sun, Jan 8, 2023 8:53 am
Subject: Re: How Many Multiverses Are There?

Emmy Noether gave consideration to a boundary term we usually discard when 
deriving the Euler-Lagrange formula to show that a symmetry was involved with 
this term. This symmetry and that this boundary term is zero meant a 
conservation law. A law of physics considered as such is something associated 
with covariant and invariant properties of space, spacetime or an abstract 
space under some set of transformations. Is this principle, a law of laws 
should we say, something that is discovered or is some objective aspect of a 
mathematical reality?

The type D, II, III and N solutions, black holes = D and gravitational waves = 
N, are vacuum solutions with the Weyl tensor C_{abcd} that wholly determines 
the curvature. The Weyl curvature is an operator on Killing vectors, such that 
Killing vectors are eigenvalued with the Weyl curvature C_{abcd}K^bK^d = 
λK_aK_c. The type N solutions have Killing vectors that have zero eigenvalue 
C_{abcd}K^d = 0. Type III spacetimes have λ = 0 and type II and D have 
nontrivial eigenvalues that are unequal for C_{abcd} and *C_{abcd}, for * the 
Hodge dual with C_{abcd}K^bK^d = λK_aK_c and *C_{abcd}K^bK^d = λ’K_aK_c for λ ≠ 
λ’ and λλ ≠ 0. These Killing vectors define symmetries and thus conservation 
laws. A timelike Killing vector defines conservation of energy, a spacelike 
Killing vector defines conservation of momentum, and a Killing bi-vector or one 
derived from such defines conservation of angular momentum. That is a total of 
1 + 3 + 6 = 10 Killing vectors. These eigenvalued equations should make one 
think of the Schrodinger equation. Indeed for a timelike Killing vector K_t = 
√(g_{tt})∂_t so that this gives a general wave equation HΨ[g] = iK_t∂Ψ[g]/∂t, 
which for g_{tt} = 1 is the Schrodinger equation. The ADM approach to general 
relativity give NH = 0 and the Wheeler-deWitt equation HΨ[g] = 0. General 
relativity does not automatically define conservation laws. Conservation laws 
only occur with certain symmetries of spacetime. This often occurs where there 
is an ADM mass defined by an asymptotic condition of flatness or some other 
spacetime with constant curvature at a distance.

Conservation laws appear as asymptotic or boundary terms. The AdS/CFT 
correspondence of Maldacena shows that a nonlocal quantum gravity theory 
corresponds to a local conformal field theory on the conformal boundary of the 
anti-de Sitter spacetime. The anti-de Sitter (AdS) spacetime has constant 
negative curvature. This is a negative vacuum energy, where this has some 
correspondence with string theory, such as the type I string theory has a 
negative energy vacuum and its first excited state is a negative energy state. 
The AdS_4 has a correspondence with black hole physics. The AdS spacetime is 
not the spacetime of the observable universe. It is though in line with the 
theory of Emmy Noether, also work by Hurzebruch, and even the old Gauss-Bonnet 
theory. 

Physical spacetime is more similar to de Sitter spacetime, and is the 
Friedmann-Lemaitre-Robertson-Walker spacetime with positive energy. This means 
curvature is positive, which involves how space is embedded in spacetime, and 
this does not have conservation laws. If that space is a sphere S^3 the 
constant vacuum 

Re: On The Super Intellect and the cosmos

[John Clark]

On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 10:55 AM  wrote:

*> Simply, the smart life in the cosmos is smart clouds perhaps forming a
> vast civ?*
>

I'm not fluent so it took me a while but eventually I figured that "civ"
probably means "civilization" in the Spudeze language, if so that certainly
doesn't explain why we have never seen the slightest hint of intelligence
in the universe other than on this planet , and it doesn't explain why the
universe has not been engineered and lets an astronomical number of photons
to be radiated uselessly into space instead of being used to power
calculations and enhance consciousness. Human beings seem smart enough to
get the ball rolling on the way to producing something they can
fundamentally change the nature of the cosmos given enough time, and Fred
Hoyle's Black Cloud is supposed to be enormously smarter than even the
smartest human being so I see no reason why it couldn't do it even faster,

* > You said it yourself. Fred Hoyle's The Black Cloud. Yes. It did use
> radio waves to chat. So, closer to the 1977 WOW signal because planetary
> things don't use radio the way Mr. Black Cloud did.  *
>

I don't know what you mean by that, Mr. Black Cloud  made use of
electromagnetic waves just as we do. In fact unlike us the black cloud uses
radio waves in the operation of its very brain, and yet even our most
sensitive radio telescopes have never heard a peep from them. And the "wow
signal" does not impress me.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis




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Why Many Researchers Now See the Brain as a Quantum System | Mind Matters
The battle between physicist, Max Tegmark, and physicist Penrose and 
anesthesiologist, Hameroff is recalled, before their truce of 20 years ago. The 
difference was in semantics. For the brain's microtubules, Penrose and Hameroff 
used the phrase quantum computing. Tegmark, took umbrage with the term quantum 
computing because qc is done at sub-sub-zero temps, using liquid helium & 
liquid nitrogen. What the boys should have written, was quantum field 
effect/theory, which by nature occurs everywhere, including the warm and 
delicious environment of our brains. I mean QFE/T  is everywhere. You, me, that 
piece of bird shit on the sidewalk on a spring day. Note I inserted the 
"effect" because its on-going, and am happy to have LC or anyone else, perform 
the needed correction, np. 




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Re: On The Super Intellect and the cosmos

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Simply, the smart life in the cosmos is smart clouds perhaps forming a vast 
civ? The Life as We Don't Know it, rules. Not necessarily CO2+ H2O brewing up 
from a planets' chemistry. You said it yourself. Fred Hoyle's The Black Cloud. 
Yes. It did use radio waves to chat. So, closer to the 1977 WOW signal because 
planetary things don't use radio the way Mr. Black Cloud did.  
 

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On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 7:34 AM  wrote:


> The Black Cloud is interesting in the fact that Hoyle proposed a highly 
> intelligent, not biological, non-planetary, life. 

Yes.

> This in itself could answer Fermi's Paradox

How do you figure that?  John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  
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Re: How Many Multiverses Are There?

[Lawrence Crowell]

Emmy Noether gave consideration to a boundary term we usually discard when 
deriving the Euler-Lagrange formula to show that a symmetry was involved 
with this term. This symmetry and that this boundary term is zero meant a 
conservation law. A law of physics considered as such is something 
associated with covariant and invariant properties of space, spacetime or 
an abstract space under some set of transformations. Is this principle, a 
law of laws should we say, something that is discovered or is some 
objective aspect of a mathematical reality?

The type D, II, III and N solutions, black holes = D and gravitational 
waves = N, are vacuum solutions with the Weyl tensor C_{abcd} that wholly 
determines the curvature. The Weyl curvature is an operator on Killing 
vectors, such that Killing vectors are eigenvalued with the Weyl curvature 
C_{abcd}K^bK^d = λK_aK_c. The type N solutions have Killing vectors that 
have zero eigenvalue C_{abcd}K^d = 0. Type III spacetimes have λ = 0 and 
type II and D have nontrivial eigenvalues that are unequal for C_{abcd} and 
*C_{abcd}, for * the Hodge dual with C_{abcd}K^bK^d = λK_aK_c and 
*C_{abcd}K^bK^d = λ’K_aK_c for λ ≠ λ’ and λλ ≠ 0. These Killing vectors 
define symmetries and thus conservation laws. A timelike Killing vector 
defines conservation of energy, a spacelike Killing vector defines 
conservation of momentum, and a Killing bi-vector or one derived from such 
defines conservation of angular momentum. That is a total of 1 + 3 + 6 = 10 
Killing vectors. These eigenvalued equations should make one think of the 
Schrodinger equation. Indeed for a timelike Killing vector K_t = 
√(g_{tt})∂_t so that this gives a general wave equation HΨ[g] = 
iK_t∂Ψ[g]/∂t, which for g_{tt} = 1 is the Schrodinger equation. The ADM 
approach to general relativity give NH = 0 and the Wheeler-deWitt equation 
HΨ[g] = 0. General relativity does not automatically define conservation 
laws. Conservation laws only occur with certain symmetries of spacetime. 
This often occurs where there is an ADM mass defined by an asymptotic 
condition of flatness or some other spacetime with constant curvature at a 
distance.

Conservation laws appear as asymptotic or boundary terms. The AdS/CFT 
correspondence of Maldacena shows that a nonlocal quantum gravity theory 
corresponds to a local conformal field theory on the conformal boundary of 
the anti-de Sitter spacetime. The anti-de Sitter (AdS) spacetime has 
constant negative curvature. This is a negative vacuum energy, where this 
has some correspondence with string theory, such as the type I string 
theory has a negative energy vacuum and its first excited state is a 
negative energy state. The AdS_4 has a correspondence with black hole 
physics. The AdS spacetime is not the spacetime of the observable universe. 
It is though in line with the theory of Emmy Noether, also work by 
Hurzebruch, and even the old Gauss-Bonnet theory. 

Physical spacetime is more similar to de Sitter spacetime, and is the 
Friedmann-Lemaitre-Robertson-Walker spacetime with positive energy. This 
means curvature is positive, which involves how space is embedded in 
spacetime, and this does not have conservation laws. If that space is a 
sphere S^3 the constant vacuum energy on this space grows with the 
evolution of this space and volume growth. This is one reason that people 
tend to prefer the flat space model, where vacuum energy is net "infinity" 
and remains so. However, there is nothing to prevent vacuum energy density 
from changing. The phantom energy model leading to a big rip of the cosmos 
is possible, and the curious discrepancy between CMB and SNII data, with 
the Hubble constant H = 70km/sec-Mpc and H = 74km/sec-Mpc respectively, 
appears to resist analysis meant to show it is zero. If the phantom energy 
model should be realized then conservation of energy, even with an infinite 
flat space, is gone.

The expansion of the universe also means we will not be able to observe 
much physics that could be called “pre-cosmic,” or the quantum gravitation 
of the pre-inflationary universe. Because of inflation and this 60-efolds 
of expansion, expansion by ~ 10^{29}, a Planck scale region was expanded 
from 10^{-33}cm to 10^{-4} cm. Since inflation began at 10^{30} sec in the 
early universe, any Planck scale fluctuation involved with the generation 
of the universe would have been 10^{-23}cm, and was expanded to 10^6 cm --- 
beyond the scale of the then observable universe ~ 10cm.  After inflation 
the observable universe with a scale of ~ 10cm an possible Planck scale 
process was stretched by more normal expansion to 10^{10} light years, and 
might appear as some order anisotropy in the CMB. Using blackbody physics, 
these quanta would have been a tiny aspect of the early universe. These 
would be very difficult to find in the CMB. Beyond that, we cannot observe 
anything. Any pre-cosmic physics emerged from something smaller than the 
Planck scale and is 

Re: On The Super Intellect and the cosmos

[John Clark]

On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 7:34 AM  wrote:

*> The Black Cloud is interesting in the fact that Hoyle proposed a highly
> intelligent, not biological, non-planetary, life. *


Yes.

*> This in itself could answer Fermi's Paradox*


How do you figure that?
John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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How Many Multiverses Are There?

[John Clark]

This is a very good video, it describes the 4 different types of
Multiverses that have been proposed. The first is purely a result of
considerations from astronomical observations, the second and third come
from considerations from both astronomy and quantum mechanics, and the
fourth from mathematics and a large dose of speculative philosophy. It is
possible that more than one of them is true, and type #1 almost certainly
exists because our best measurements say space is flat over cosmic
distances so if one denies its existence then one would have to conclude
that the Earth really is the center of the universe. I could be wrong but I
have the strong feeling that type 2 and 3 also exist but I don't think type
4 does because I think physics is more fundamental than mathematics.

How Many Multiverses Are There?


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Re: Are we entering a time of no more technological advances?

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I'd sat Civs are rare and not dead as doornails. We'd have seen crap around 
stars or solar sails whizzing past. Maybe dead for 5 billion years but until 
Isaac Newton halts these, onward they go, until entropy kicks in and they still 
float slow. Maybe Hoyles Black Cloud, eh? 


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On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 1:13 AM Brent Meeker  wrote:


 
 >> we have never seen even a hint of ET or his engineering and there are only 
2 viable explanations for that:  

1) For some unknown reason life is unable to make a significant impact on the 
universe.


2) The observable universe is finite so somebody has to be the first, and we 
are it.


 

 > Or 3) No industrialized civilization lasts very long.

That's just part of #1, it's a proposed reason why life cannot make a 
significant impact on the universe, and it doesn't explain why no industrial 
civilization lasts very long. Most of the explanations for the ephemeral nature 
of intelligence that I've heard, like war or environmental change, are not very 
convincing; the only one that seems a little more plausible is drug abuse by 
beings that operate according to the laws of chemistry or electronic abuse by 
beings that operate according to the laws of electronics. If that's true then 
civilizations don't die in a bang or even in a whimper of pain but in a moan of 
pleasure.  I'm still hoping reason #2 is why we've seen no sign of ET.

 John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
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Re: On The Super Intellect and the cosmos

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Sure. The flip side of this from critics of course, is that one has to create 
an infinity of universes to battle one God, and maybe not the fellow the 
ancients ascribed to being the Boss? The Black Cloud is interesting in the fact 
that Hoyle proposed a highly intelligent, not biological, non-planetary, life. 
This in itself could answer Fermi's Paradox, but you knew that. 
For the Anthropic Hypothesis, there are other flavors, and one is we are the 
section that creates the machinery which creates the machinery, which mends the 
threats to the universe? As George Carlin said of the Gaia hypothesis, "Maybe 
the earth didn't know how to make plastic, and it wanted plastic, so it made 
us?"



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On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 4:44 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:


> Naw, this ain't about John Clark, this is about considering an interesting 
> idea.


https://mindmatters.ai/2022/12/has-a-superintellect-monkeyed-with-our-universes-physics-2/

If Everett's Many Worlds hypothesis is true then the reason our universe seems 
to be fine tuned for biological life is easily explained; by contrast the God 
hypothesis makes things even harder to explain because if the universe needs to 
be fine tuned for a lowly human to exist then it must be even more finely tuned 
for an omniscient omnipotent being to exist.  

> According to Hoyle, it may be factual? 

Fred Hoyle was a great astrophysicist and his book "The Black Cloud" is one of 
my favorite science fiction novels of all time, but his speculations about 
Evolution and biology were amateurish if not downright dumb.  John K Clark    
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Re: Ethan Siegel the star gazer says that despite dark matter the universe ain't expanding faster

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Ok Jesse, nothing has changed, and the Standard Model seems solid. Shame on 
Siegel for getting people worked up for the price of selling an article. 
"Nonstandard terminology" seems a method for lying via exaggeration. Thanks for 
the info.
Spud.


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Subject: Re: Ethan Siegel the star gazer says that despite dark matter the 
universe ain't expanding faster

Ethan Siegel just seems to be using non-standard terminology here to express 
the same results that have been known for a long time--he says that what he 
means is that "the expansion rate — also known as the Hubble constant/parameter 
— still decreases" even though "each individual object that’s receding from us 
will recede at faster and faster speeds as time goes on". If you look at 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_expansion_of_the_universe#Technical_definition
 they say that cosmologist typically define "accelerating expansion" to mean 
the second derivative of the scale factor a(t) is positive, meaning the scale 
factor is increasing with time, and 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law#Time-dependence_of_Hubble_parameter
 notes that it's quite possible for the scale factor a(t) to increase with time 
while the Hubble parameter H(t) is decreasing, and in fact that's what 
observations suggest is happening (as Siegel points out). The article even 
notes that one implication of this is that "The recession velocity of one 
chosen galaxy does increase, but different galaxies passing a sphere of fixed 
radius cross the sphere more slowly at later times".
On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 7:38 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:

So who the hell is messing with the universe!?? Oh, ok, sorry sir!
WTF? The Universe's expansion rate isn't accelerating? - Big Think

Seems, that, if accurate, the universe is altering things, or more, likely; our 
equipment is getting better, and we are thus obtaining more accurate results? 
Or is the Universe aware and likes to communicate with astronomers and 
physicists and is trying to get their attention?  The Autodidactic Universe - 
INSPIRE (inspirehep.net)
Me not know because me just a slobbering, peasant-serf type, a-slobbering over 
various science articles in mindless, incredulity. Hey, if this is correct, 
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