Re: More evidence Louie Gohmert is the dumbest man in congress, and that's saying something!

2022-06-11 Thread John Clark 
On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 12:09 AM  wrote:

*> How about this, John, the universe is learning, starting from something
> akin to a Boltzmann Brain and then achieving over enormous amounts of time,
> real achievements. I mean*
>

You could express that idea more clearly by simply saying there is
something instead of nothing because quantum randomness makes nothingness
unstable. That may or may not be the correct answer to the why is there
something rather than nothing question, but at least it is an answer, which
is very unlike the God Hypothesis which is no answer at all, it doesn't
even attempt to answer the question it just kicks the problem down the road.


> *> **we have a bit o' freedom intellectually, but maybe not emotionally?*
>

If you could tell me what on earth "Free Will" means then maybe I could
answer that question.

*>Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is
> indistinguishable from God*
>

Arthur C Clarke's original quote used the word "magic" not "God", and I
don't believe this misquote is true. The 2 key attributes God has is that
He is an intelligent conscious being who created the universe and He always
was and always will be; and an advanced extraterrestrial intelligence has
not always been here and is not quantum randomness, and quantum randomness
is not a being or intelligent. One presumes randomness is not conscious
either, and a God that is not intelligent or conscious is not much of a
God.

By the way, my father's name was not Arthur C Clarke but it was Arthur E
Clark I'm just saying ...

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Re: More evidence Louie Gohmert is the dumbest man in congress, and that's saying something!

2022-06-10 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 
When I first saw your engineering statement, and comparing the engineer to God, 
I first thought that they engineer is sure a sneaky son of a bitch for making 
us reliant on him, and thus, in this matter, Guaranteeing his employment!! How 
about this, John, the universe is learning, starting from something akin to a 
Boltzmann Brain and then achieving over enormous amounts of time, real 
achievements. I mean, 
Here's an oldie from our friend Dr. Guilio P. 
https://turingchurch.net/does-god-emerge-from-boltzmann-brains-in-the-fabric-of-reality-7583c3dac485
Like with cryonics, maybe the Big Fix is through time, aka the procession of 
physical actions (my def. no body elses).
Here's an oldie from Charles Bennett which compares the BB to Wigner's Friend. 
Personally, I see Schrodinger's Cat alive perched atop Wigner's Friend's head, 
mewing out orders to his pal, Eugene.  
https://www.phy.anl.gov/theory/workshops/qc2016/talks/qc2016_bennett.pdf
If one is not a fundamentalist but a utilitarian who knows where one's 
interests lay, the what is the Big Mind is, then we have a bit o' freedom 
intellectually, but maybe not 
emotionally?https://www.unrevealedfiles.com/boltzmann-brains-complete-with-a-memory-of-having-existed-in-our-universe/

Even The Higgs Group gets in on this: 
https://higgs.ph.ed.ac.uk/outreach/higgshalloween-2021/boltzmann-brain
So, what does this mean for us primates? Depending, on where one wants to take 
this, I consider the science, math, & philosophy of science, as something 
essential as in important. I think it should guide research a bit, not all 
research, but the astrophysical stuff in considering as a joke but still 
useful, Shermer's Last Law. 
Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is indistinguishable 
from God
Lets consider this a working hypothesis, a very long term project, far beyond 
our civilizations current scope. Nobody has to pray, because according to LC, 
we haven't a prayer, anyways. (Obnoxious laugher insert), and just see how we'd 
interact with a Jupiter Matryoshka Brain. I know how I'd act. "Blame them not 
me! I'm the loyal insect, the others, they've been plotting against you from 
day one!"
I bet ya feel better already?


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Subject: Re: More evidence Louie Gohmert is the dumbest man in congress, and 
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On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 12:55 AM Samiya Illias  wrote:


> We need Allah at all times.

If an engineer invent something that needs constant maintenance from that 
engineer then he's an incompetent engineer.  If God made us and we need God all 
the time then God is incompetent and did a lousy job in making us. There is 
however no evidence that God made us, but there is scientific evidence that 
prayer does NOT work.

No Prayer Prescription

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Re: More evidence Louie Gohmert is the dumbest man in congress, and that's saying something!

2022-06-10 Thread John Clark 
On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 12:55 AM Samiya Illias 
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*> We need Allah at all times.*
>

If an engineer invent something that needs constant maintenance from that
engineer then he's an incompetent engineer.  If God made us and we need God
all the time then God is incompetent and did a lousy job in making us.
There is however no evidence that God made us, but there is scientific
evidence that prayer does *NOT* work.


No Prayer Prescription


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Re: More evidence Louie Gohmert is the dumbest man in congress, and that's saying something!

2022-06-09 Thread Samiya Illias 
Prayers - The Need for Allah's Help 

Abstract 
We need Allah at all times. Prayers are essential to our well-being, and of the 
planet we live in. 
Establishing prayers and remembering Allah helps deter evil. It is critical for 
believers to keep up prayers and keep turning back to Allah for help and 
guidance, and for Allah's Protection. 
Negligence of prayer was linked to the ascendancy of the Jasad on the Throne of 
Solomon. 
When evil rises, the Believers must seek help through prayers and patience. 
Surah al-Fath cites a practical example of the sanctity of the life of the 
Believers, explaining why Makkah was secured by Messenger Muhammad and his 
companions without any bloodshed. 

Full Text 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/04/prayers-need-for-allahs-help.html 



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> Louie Gohmert Blames Mass Shootings on Lack of Prayers
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More evidence Louie Gohmert is the dumbest man in congress, and that's saying something!

2022-06-09 Thread John Clark 
Louie Gohmert Blames Mass Shootings on Lack of Prayers


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