Re: Finite time and infinite space

2002-01-16 Thread Russell Standish

I suspect that the answer to this lies in the concept of logical
depth, introduced by Charlie Bennett. The universe needs to be simple,
in a Kolmogorov sense, in order to get a high measure in the ensemble
of all descriptions. However, the flip side is that in order to
generate intelligent observers, it needs to be logically deep, ie run
a computation for a long time. This is the explanation for cosmic time
and space scales. In order to generate intelligent observers in a
small universe requires a more complicated description of the physics
generating it.

Of course, it would be nice to have a theory that gave order of
magnitude estimates on the amount of computation required to generate
intelligent observers, but  at least the trends all point the right
way.

Cheers

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 One of the things that strikes me as most peculiar and unexpected about
 the universe is this: that it is apparently finite and inhomogeneous in
 time, yet infinite and homogeneous in space.
 
 From what we can tell, the universe began about 13 billion years ago
 and has gone through a series of phases or ages in which the dominant
 physical effects have been strikingly different.  And current observations
 appear to indicate that the pattern will continue into the future, with
 our current era of matter and stars being destined to give way to low
 temperature and long-term effects.
 
 However at the large scale the universe shows no evidence of being finite
 in size.  Some models predict that it should be finite, but these aren't
 very strong predictions given the struggles which cosmology is facing
 these days.  And even if it is finite as inflation models predict, it
 is so huge that there is no real hope of distinguishing it from infinite
 in size.  Likewise the universe appears to be roughly the same everywhere.
 Although there is clumpiness at many scales, there is no belief that the
 average density or other parameters of the universe will be different
 in widely separated regions.
 
 Is this something that might be predicted by a multiverse theory?
 
 It might be argued that the finiteness of (past) time is predicted by
 the theory, because it is questionable whether it is meaningful to
 have an infinite amount of computation in your past.
 
 The apparent infinitude of the spatial universe however does not fit
 too well, for the same reason.  If the universe is infinite then it
 plausibly carries an infinite amount of information.  This would require
 an infinite amount of computation.  Of course most of it is outside of
 the light cone imposed by relativity, so perhaps this loophole in some
 ways could avoid the need for truly infinite computation.
 
 Even if the universe is finite, it does seem extravagantly large.
 It seems hard to justify such a size from anthropic arguments, especially
 the sizes predicted by cosmological inflation theories.  Surely humans
 could have evolved in a much smaller universe, one which contains less
 information and requires less computation.
 
 The universe seems to contain a lot more information than is necessary
 for minds like ours to exist.  Perhaps there are subtle reasons why such a
 large size is necessary (for example, perhaps inflation is a side effect
 of the simplest set of fundamental particles which would allow atoms to
 exist and hence life to form, so we get a big universe as a side effect
 of having simple physical laws at the microscale).  But unless we can
 find such linkages, this appears to count against an ensemble theory.
 
 Put another way, the all-universe model should predict that our universe
 is little more complex than it needs to be for us to evolve.  In effect
 it predicts that such linkages will be found.
 
 Hal
 




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Re: Finite time and infinite space

2002-01-15 Thread Matthieu Walraet

On 15 Jan 2002, at 11:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 One of the things that strikes me as most peculiar and unexpected about the
 universe is this: that it is apparently finite and inhomogeneous in time,
 yet infinite and homogeneous in space.
 

The universe is finite :
My short term memory last less than 10 minutes. So the universe is 
contained in a sphere of 600 light-seconds radius around my head.

Matthieu.
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http://matthieu.walraet.free.fr