Re: Why Does the Universe Exist? Some Perspectives from Our Physics Project—Stephen Wolfram Wis this ritings

2022-08-13 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 
"The structure of all computations". Lets go physicalist even on this one. 
Where does such a mechanism exist? Is it dark matter? the area beyond the 
Hubble Volume, the unborn minds of humans and AI yet to come? Phase space 
Hilbert Space, Anti-De Sitter space??? A future Omega Point, a current or 
future multiverse?? Mar-a-largo in a secret safer? 
I like Wolframs concepts, and have no horse in these discussions, save what my 
be construed as the existential, because, that as a meta goal is seemingly, 
practical ultimately. 

 
Much thanks, Jason. 

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On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 4:49 AM ronaldheld  wrote:

Is this vaguely related to Tegmark's mathematical structures? 

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 2:36:05 PM UTC-4 Jason wrote:

https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2021/04/why-does-the-universe-exist-some-perspectives-from-our-physics-project/
 
I found this fascinating. It appears to have many similarities with the type of 
physical reality that emerges from then universal dovetailer, with new ways of 
explaining it and some new insights.




It is similar, but I think it is more concretely defined.
Wolfram describes the collection of all formally describable rule based 
systems, leading to a complex structure he calls the Ruliad: 
https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2021/11/the-concept-of-the-ruliad/
Unlike Tegmark's idea, Wolfram explains how this structure is vastly 
interconnected and observers within this structure observer certain 
regularities which are necessarily tied to the own nature of the observer 
(their mind and sense organs, etc.), which ultimately defines a set of 
regularities (the laws of physics) for that observer (or observers of that same 
class).
I think there is more similarity between Wolfram's ideas, and those of Bruno 
Marchal and Markus P. Müller, which framed things algorithmically and showed 
how laws of physics can be extracted from the structure of all computations.

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Re: Why Does the Universe Exist? Some Perspectives from Our Physics Project—Stephen Wolfram Wis this ritings

2022-08-13 Thread Jason Resch 
On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 2:08 PM Joel Dietz  wrote:

>
>>
>> I think there is more similarity between Wolfram's ideas, and those of
>> Bruno Marchal and Markus P. Müller, which framed things algorithmically and
>> showed how laws of physics can be extracted from the structure of all
>> computations.
>>
>>
> Can you give some citations? I don't obviously see how their work overlaps
> with the ruliad.
>
>
I have included relevant quotes and links to sources throughout my page
here:

https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/

You can Ctrl+F and search on that page for Marchal and Müller to find all
the relevant references and passages I have for them.

Both of their theories are based on assuming an ontology of all
computations, and then seeing the what conclusions we could derive about
the character of experience or physical laws from that assumption.

Jason

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Re: Why Does the Universe Exist? Some Perspectives from Our Physics Project—Stephen Wolfram Wis this ritings

2022-08-13 Thread Joel Dietz 
>
>
>
> I think there is more similarity between Wolfram's ideas, and those of
> Bruno Marchal and Markus P. Müller, which framed things algorithmically and
> showed how laws of physics can be extracted from the structure of all
> computations.
>
>
Can you give some citations? I don't obviously see how their work overlaps
with the ruliad.




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Re: Why Does the Universe Exist? Some Perspectives from Our Physics Project—Stephen Wolfram Wis this ritings

2022-08-13 Thread Jason Resch 
On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 4:49 AM ronaldheld  wrote:

> Is this vaguely related to Tegmark's mathematical structures?
>
> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 2:36:05 PM UTC-4 Jason wrote:
>
>>
>> https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2021/04/why-does-the-universe-exist-some-perspectives-from-our-physics-project/
>>
>>
>> I found this fascinating. It appears to have many similarities with the
>> type of physical reality that emerges from then universal dovetailer, with
>> new ways of explaining it and some new insights.
>>
>>
>>
It is similar, but I think it is more concretely defined.

Wolfram describes the collection of all formally describable rule based
systems, leading to a complex structure he calls the Ruliad:
https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2021/11/the-concept-of-the-ruliad/

Unlike Tegmark's idea, Wolfram explains how this structure is vastly
interconnected and observers within this structure observer certain
regularities which are necessarily tied to the own nature of the observer
(their mind and sense organs, etc.), which ultimately defines a set of
regularities (the laws of physics) for that observer (or observers of that
same class).

I think there is more similarity between Wolfram's ideas, and those of
Bruno Marchal and Markus P. Müller, which framed things algorithmically and
showed how laws of physics can be extracted from the structure of all
computations.

Jason

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Re: Why Does the Universe Exist? Some Perspectives from Our Physics Project—Stephen Wolfram Wis this ritings

2022-08-13 Thread ronaldheld 
Is this vaguely related to Tegmark's mathematical structures? 

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 2:36:05 PM UTC-4 Jason wrote:

>
> https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2021/04/why-does-the-universe-exist-some-perspectives-from-our-physics-project/
>  
>
> I found this fascinating. It appears to have many similarities with the 
> type of physical reality that emerges from then universal dovetailer, with 
> new ways of explaining it and some new insights.
>
> Jason
>

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