On The Origin Of Time

[John Clark]

*I recently read the book "On the Origin of Time, Stephen Hawking's Final
Theory"  by Thomas Hertog,  and I thought it was pretty good, but I did
write to the author with the following comment. I have not received a
reply. *

*==*
*Hello Professor Hertog*

*I read your book "On The Origin Of Time" and enjoyed it a great deal,
however I do have a comment. At one point you say the trouble with
anthropomorphic reasoning when used for cosmology is that it claims to be
able to predict what "we" should expect to see but does not make clear
exactly what "we" means. In this context I would say that "we" means any
stable structure that is able to process information intelligently. So
somewhere in the multiverse there could be a universe without DNA or atoms
or even electrons but can nevertheless support structures made of some sort
of stuff that can process data intelligently by using laws of physics that
are radically different from anything we know about because they don't
exist here. And by using the exact same anthropomorphic reasoning that we
do, these observers should expect to find that the fundamental physical
constants that have produced their world allow for the existence of their
form of life, but just barely. So even there the illusion that life has
been fine tuned would exist despite the fact that life worked completely
differently there than the way it operates here; the only thing we do have
in common is both universes support structures that can process data. *

*I believe data processing is important because I think consciousness is
the way data feels when it is being processed intelligently. As
for "intelligence" I can't give a definition but I can give something more
fundamental, an example; after all examples are what gave lexicographers
the knowledge to write their dictionary. Einstein was intelligent, Donald
Trump is not. *

*Best Wishes*

 John K Clark.   johnkcl...@gmail.com
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Re: On The Origin Of Time

[Brent Meeker]

You write that a lot, John.  But I don't think it's true.  You must know 
about the Poincaire' effect, which is actually common and is a direct 
contradiction of your theory.


Brent

On 2/2/2024 3:52 AM, John Clark wrote:
I believe data processing is important because I think consciousness 
is the way data feels when it is being processed intelligently.


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Re: On The Origin Of Time

[John Clark]

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 2:34 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:

* > You must know about the Poincaire' effect*


Nope, never heard of it. Do you mean the Poincaré conjecture? Or the
Poincaré recurrence? Or do you mean something else entirely, the man did a
lot of stuff.

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Re: On The Origin Of Time

[Brent Meeker]

I'm surprised.  All mathematicians have experienced it, but it's named 
after Poincare' because of this essay.  It's well worth reading all of 
it, but the relevant part is pp 326-329.


https://archive.org/details/jstor-27900262/page/n9/mode/2up

Brent

On 2/2/2024 11:47 AM, John Clark wrote:

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 2:34 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:

/> You must knowabout the Poincaire' effect/

Nope, never heard of it. Do you mean the Poincaré conjecture? Or the 
Poincaré recurrence? Or do you mean something else entirely, the man 
did a lot of stuff.


John K Clark    See what's on my new list at Extropolis 


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Re: On The Origin Of Time

[John Clark]

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 6:17 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:

* >I'm surprised. *
>

Why? Neither google nor GPT knows what the "Poincaire' effect" is in I
don't either.


> > All mathematicians have experienced it,
>

That depends on what "it" is. Just tell me what you're talking about and
why it contradicts some thing that I said.

*> it's named after Poincare*
>

 A lot of things were named after *Poincare.*

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