[Evolution] Weird mail viewing issue

[Lonnie Borntreger]

GAL, GtkHTML, Evolution: CVS from 45 minutes ago.  The "blue line"
showing quoted text is acting weird.  See:
http://www.borntreger.com/devel/scrn.png

It also does the same thing when you double-click and view the message
in a new window, so it probably is GtkHTML related.


TTFN, 
Lonnie Borntreger



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Re: [Evolution] mailings to large email lists

[Dan Hensley]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 11:53, Not Zed wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 05:29, Devorah wrote:
> > Hello.  I want to email to my customer list of about 300.00.
> 
> > I tried copying all address into the BCC section, but it just froze the 
> > machine.
> > 
> > Then I was tolk (on Monkey chat) that I should make a new  Contact List. 
> >  I should highlight each address and "drag" it into the list.  This 
> > caused 2 problems.   1)  The list allows for duplicate entries.   
> > 2)  The list is 
> > not alphabetized, so it's impossible to see who is in it other than 
> > reading through the whole list.
> > 
> > What is the solution?  Is evolution able to handle such large lists?
> 
> It froze the whole machine?  Or just evolution?

I suspect that it just hung evolution.  Actually, I don't think it
hung.  A few days ago I tried doing something with the contact list that
you get when you hit the To: button, for example, and I noticed that
Evolution was _really_ slow bringing up the dialog, and it consumed a
lot of CPU during that time.  I was only looking at about 50 addresses. 
I didn't spend much time tracking it down either, so I may be way off
anyway.

Dan

> 
> Without knowing what happened or where it happened (e.g. a backtrace of
> locked processes), its hard to know whats up.
> 
> I dont see any basic reason why it shouldn't work, although the cut and
> paste or dnd idea sounds like a real pain.
> 
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Re: [Evolution] Settings won't save in v1.1.0.99-20020711?

[Not Zed]

On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 07:36, Jim Meyer wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> After a month on 1.0.7.99 I've finally updated to my first 1.1.0 Evo. I
> noticed that it lost track of some settings such as my signatures for
> various accounts and my shortcut keybinding prefs. I've reset them, but
> the shortcuts seem to like to keep resetting to MS style.

The sig settings changed format i presume to support additional
features, and i guess backward compatability was ignored.

> I've tried opening Evolution, changing the settings, then quitting in
> order to get them saved; while they were indeed still set properly, the
> next time Evo crashed the settings reverted to MS style.

Hrm, try just using the control centre gtkhtml settings for the editor
key bindings.  But that should just use the same code anyway, so i dont
really know.

> Oh, and Evo's been crashing the summary on me the first time I open the
> settings dialog; it also sproadically hangs trying to get the summary

Yep, it does.

> when I change folders at which point, if I try to quit, it hangs.

What do you mean here?  You click on the executive summary and it hangs,
or you're clicking on other folders and it hangs getting the folder
summary?  Are you using imap etc?




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Re: [Evolution] blahfasel@[123.45.3789.123] addresses

[Not Zed]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 22:39, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote:
> Yo!
> 
> evolution mangles adresses in the user@[numerical ip] form, which I use
> occasionally for testing purposes (as I don't want to reconfig my dns 10
> times a day sometimes).
> 
> any reason for that?

Its just a bug.  Since I thought nobody used these types of addresses,
it hasn't been tested very well.  Actually i'm not sure the code even
supports it properly in all cases (the address parser supports it to
some level, but beyond that i'm not sure).

Submit a bug at bugzilla.ximian.com, and assign it to [EMAIL PROTECTED],
and i'll have a look at it.

Can't you just setup a localhost alias in /etc/hosts or something?  Or
just configure another interface with a permanent ip address, and use
hosts etc?



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Re: [Evolution] mailings to large email lists

[Not Zed]

On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 05:29, Devorah wrote:
> Hello.  I want to email to my customer list of about 300.00.

> I tried copying all address into the BCC section, but it just froze the 
> machine.
> 
> Then I was tolk (on Monkey chat) that I should make a new  Contact List. 
>  I should highlight each address and "drag" it into the list.  This 
> caused 2 problems.   1)  The list allows for duplicate entries.   
> 2)  The list is 
> not alphabetized, so it's impossible to see who is in it other than 
> reading through the whole list.
> 
> What is the solution?  Is evolution able to handle such large lists?

It froze the whole machine?  Or just evolution?

Without knowing what happened or where it happened (e.g. a backtrace of
locked processes), its hard to know whats up.

I dont see any basic reason why it shouldn't work, although the cut and
paste or dnd idea sounds like a real pain.



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Re: [Evolution] Re: Spell component using 95% cpu

[Not Zed]

Looks to me more like gnome-spell is looping on a pipe read when ispell
crashes.

Which is a gnome-spell problem too.

On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 04:23, Radek Doulík wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> it looks like some problem with pspell/ispell. I suggest to install
> aspell and maybe remove ispell as well. (Or at least pspell ispell
> module).
> 
> Cheers
> Radek
> 
> On Út, 2002-07-16 at 10:31, Jean-Marc V. Liotier wrote:
> > gnome-spell-component is back... A couple of weeks ago, I answered to
> > someone in this thread that it was no longer bothering me, but it is
> > hogging my CPU again.
> > 
> > A few times a day, gnome-spell-component starts hogging all CPU and
> > forces me to kill it manually. This happens while I'm editing a message
> > in Evolution, but not systematically (just when I'm writing about it I
> > can't get it to happen...)
> > 
> > Three months ago, the symptoms were already the same. Here is an extract
> > of the "ps faux" output showing the two tasks that show the symptom of
> > my problem. The defunct ispell is a daughter task of the
> > gnome-spell-component task :
> > 
> > jim   1436 95.9  2.3 17092 4420 ?R04:26 268:30 
> >  gnome-spell-component
> >  --oaf-activate-iid=3DOAFIID:GNOME_Spell_DictionaryFactory:0.1
> >  --oaf-ior-fd=3D24
> > 
> > jim   1439  0.0  0.0 00 ?Z04:26   0:01
> >  \_ [ispell ]
> > 
> > I suspect that I should file an upstream bug report, unless somebody has
> > a clue about possible causes. The only problem is that there is no
> > mention of gnome-spell in the Gnome Bugzilla...
> > 
> > I'm running unstable on an Inspiron 4000 with 2.4.17
> > gnome-spell  0.4.1-4 (symptom was same with 0.4.1-3)
> > evolution1.0.7-3 (symptom was same with 1.0.3-1)
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> 
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Re: [Evolution] opening messages in the Outbox

[Not Zed]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 17:10, Jean-Marc V. Liotier wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-07-15 at 20:06, Tim Lee wrote:
> > 
> > I was wondering why when you open a message in Evolution's Outbox,
> > Evolution actually creates a new copy of the message for you to edit.
> > This behavior seems a little counter intuitive, I was expecting
> > Evolution to open the original message. This behavior may not be a
> > problem in the Drafts folder [..]
> 
> Actually, I found it to be counter intuitive even in the Drafts folder,
> but it is only my opinion. In any case, it is a safe behavior because it
> prevents overwriting, so one may think twice before altering it. Maybe
> add a "what to do after editing a message" option defaulting on "save as
> a copy, don't touch the old version" and switchable to "overwrite the
> old version".
> 
> Or maybe something more in line with the current "composer" tab of the
> "mail settings" dialog : a "save a copy of an edited message" checkbox
> defaulting on the checked state.

You can only append to mail folders, you can't edit data in place.  This
is forced upon us by the way mail works.




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Re: [Evolution] (no subject)

[Wei Weng]

geez, I hope not. I am already bothered by ugly formatted HTML emails
with tons of useless features. 

I hope it won't carry load of flash or WM embedded somehow.


On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 17:32, Rob Brown-Bayliss wrote:
> Taken from this article
> http://www.varbusiness.com/sections/News/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID=36355
> 
> During his keynote, Ballmer also announced the availability by the
> middle of 2003 of Exchange Server "Titanium," which will include
> integrated wireless access, greater scalability and availability and
> contextual collaboration. Simultaneous to that release will be the
> arrival of Outlook 11, which will include XML and new features like
> meetings innovation, note-taking tools, personal information
> management and expanded e-mail. 
> 
> Any idea on what they mean by expanded email?  Are we going to find 90%
> of or email arrives in a new format, copyrighted by M$ and unavailable
> to the non MS mail progs?
> 
> 
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Re: [Evolution] Re: Next and Previous

[Eric Lambart]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 14:48, Anton J Aylward, CISSP wrote:
> > From: Eric Lambart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > I suggest Alt-Up, Alt-Down, since Shift and Ctrl are already used for
> > multi-message selection.
>  
> > From: Xavier Bestel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 
> > > I suggest Alt-Up, Alt-Down, since Shift and Ctrl are already used for
> > > multi-message selection.
> > 
> > Alt-cursor is too likely to be eaten by a window manager, IMHO.
> 
> You beat me to it, Xavier!
> 
> I already have A-C-Left and A-C-Right bound GLOBALLY for moving between
> workspaces in sawfish and A-Down & A-Up for raising and lowering
> windows.  IIR these are defaults, I don't remember editing them.
> 
> I've very reluctant to bind ALT at the application level.
> Its bad enough that OpenOffice mimics MS-Office for things like
> spell-check.

Well, those of you who have such conflicts can just go on using "." and
",".

No combination will suit everybody.
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[Evolution] Re: [rt-users] Autoresponse for e-mail submitted jobs only

[Jim Meyer]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 11:19, Neal Barney wrote:
> When we create a request for them through the 
> web interface it marks us as the requestor and we end up receiving the 
> autoresponses.

Had you noticed that the requestor field of the ticket entry page is
editable? We always change this to reflect the email address of the
actual requestor, which seems to work out well.

Cheers!

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Re: [Evolution] (no subject)

[Dan Winship]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 17:32, Rob Brown-Bayliss wrote:
> Taken from this article
> http://www.varbusiness.com/sections/News/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID=36355
> 
> During his keynote, Ballmer also announced the availability by the
> middle of 2003 of Exchange Server "Titanium," which will include
> integrated wireless access, greater scalability and availability and
> contextual collaboration. Simultaneous to that release will be the
> arrival of Outlook 11, which will include XML and new features like
> meetings innovation, note-taking tools, personal information
> management and expanded e-mail. 
> 
> Any idea on what they mean by expanded email?

The whole last sentence seems garbled. ("meetings innovation"?) I'm
guessing it's supposed to say something like "expanded e-mail
functionality".

> Are we going to find 90%
> of or email arrives in a new format, copyrighted by M$ and unavailable
> to the non MS mail progs?

In general, MS is moving towards internet standards, not away from them.
Each new version of Outlook and Exchange has been more standards-
compliant than the last, and all signs point to that trend continuing.

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[Evolution] Settings won't save in v1.1.0.99-20020711?

[Jim Meyer]

Hello!

After a month on 1.0.7.99 I've finally updated to my first 1.1.0 Evo. I
noticed that it lost track of some settings such as my signatures for
various accounts and my shortcut keybinding prefs. I've reset them, but
the shortcuts seem to like to keep resetting to MS style.

I've tried opening Evolution, changing the settings, then quitting in
order to get them saved; while they were indeed still set properly, the
next time Evo crashed the settings reverted to MS style.

Oh, and Evo's been crashing the summary on me the first time I open the
settings dialog; it also sproadically hangs trying to get the summary
when I change folders at which point, if I try to quit, it hangs.

Cheers!

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Re: [Evolution] Re: Spell component using 95% cpu

[Jean-Marc V. Liotier]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 20:49, Jean-Marc V. Liotier wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 20:53, Radek Doulík wrote:
> > 
> > it looks like some problem with pspell/ispell. I suggest to install
> > aspell and maybe remove ispell as well. (Or at least pspell ispell
> > module).
> 
> Thanks for the tip. It appears that for some reason both ispell and
> aspell were installed. I shall remove ispell and keep you posted on the
> results.

Preliminary result is : no more spellchecking in Evo. I will look deeper
tomorrow morning when I get back to the office...




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Re: [Evolution] Next and Previous

[Ben Escoto]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 07:47, Peter Williams wrote:
> > The way the message and folder lists are laid out on the screen the
> > "intuitively obvious" motion us "up and "down".
> 
> Well, right now up and down move one message at a time, as they should.
> We need a way to move to the next/previous unread message.

Actually, at least in my version (1.1.0.99), they move to the prev/next
message, or move to the prev/next folder, or scroll the current message
up/down, etc., depending on where the focus is.

I think it would be better if there were separate keybindings for
prev/next read/unread message, and prev/next read/unread folder. 
Possibly up/down arrow should always scroll the current message.  It's
too much of a pain to shift focus for the up/down arrows to have so many
roles.


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[Evolution] Re: Next and Previous

[Anton J Aylward, CISSP]

> From: Eric Lambart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> I suggest Alt-Up, Alt-Down, since Shift and Ctrl are already used for
> multi-message selection.
 
> From: Xavier Bestel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > I suggest Alt-Up, Alt-Down, since Shift and Ctrl are already used for
> > multi-message selection.
> 
> Alt-cursor is too likely to be eaten by a window manager, IMHO.

You beat me to it, Xavier!

I already have A-C-Left and A-C-Right bound GLOBALLY for moving between
workspaces in sawfish and A-Down & A-Up for raising and lowering
windows.  IIR these are defaults, I don't remember editing them.

I've very reluctant to bind ALT at the application level.
Its bad enough that OpenOffice mimics MS-Office for things like
spell-check.

/a

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[Evolution] (no subject)

[Rob Brown-Bayliss]

Taken from this article
http://www.varbusiness.com/sections/News/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID=36355

During his keynote, Ballmer also announced the availability by the
middle of 2003 of Exchange Server "Titanium," which will include
integrated wireless access, greater scalability and availability and
contextual collaboration. Simultaneous to that release will be the
arrival of Outlook 11, which will include XML and new features like
meetings innovation, note-taking tools, personal information
management and expanded e-mail. 

Any idea on what they mean by expanded email?  Are we going to find 90%
of or email arrives in a new format, copyrighted by M$ and unavailable
to the non MS mail progs?


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Re: [Evolution] Next and Previous

[Xavier Bestel]

Le mar 16/07/2002 à 21:53, Eric Lambart a écrit :
> On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 07:47, Peter Williams wrote:
> > On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 08:24, Anton J Aylward, CISSP wrote:
> > > But surely the cursor keys are the ultimate in being independent of the
> > > user's native language and cultural assumptions?
> > > 
> > > The way the message and folder lists are laid out on the screen the
> > > "intuitively obvious" motion us "up and "down".
> > 
> > Well, right now up and down move one message at a time, as they should.
> > We need a way to move to the next/previous unread message.
> 
> I suggest Alt-Up, Alt-Down, since Shift and Ctrl are already used for
> multi-message selection.

Alt-cursor is too likely to be eaten by a window manager, IMHO.




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[Evolution] mailings to large email lists

[Devorah]

Hello.  I want to email to my customer list of about 300.00.

I tried copying all address into the BCC section, but it just froze the 
machine.

Then I was tolk (on Monkey chat) that I should make a new  Contact List. 
 I should highlight each address and "drag" it into the list.  This 
caused 2 problems.   1)  The list allows for duplicate entries.   
2)  The list is 
not alphabetized, so it's impossible to see who is in it other than 
reading through the whole list.

What is the solution?  Is evolution able to handle such large lists?

Thank you,
Dee


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Re: [Evolution] Next and Previous

[Eric Lambart]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 07:47, Peter Williams wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 08:24, Anton J Aylward, CISSP wrote:
> > But surely the cursor keys are the ultimate in being independent of the
> > user's native language and cultural assumptions?
> > 
> > The way the message and folder lists are laid out on the screen the
> > "intuitively obvious" motion us "up and "down".
> 
> Well, right now up and down move one message at a time, as they should.
> We need a way to move to the next/previous unread message.

I suggest Alt-Up, Alt-Down, since Shift and Ctrl are already used for
multi-message selection.

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Re: [Evolution] Re: Spell component using 95% cpu

[Radek Doulík]

On Út, 2002-07-16 at 14:56, Jean-Marc V. Liotier wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 20:49, Jean-Marc V. Liotier wrote:
> > On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 20:53, Radek Doulík wrote:
> > > 
> > > it looks like some problem with pspell/ispell. I suggest to install
> > > aspell and maybe remove ispell as well. (Or at least pspell ispell
> > > module).
> > 
> > Thanks for the tip. It appears that for some reason both ispell and
> > aspell were installed. I shall remove ispell and keep you posted on the
> > results.
> 
> Preliminary result is : no more spellchecking in Evo. I will look deeper
> tomorrow morning when I get back to the office...

It's possible that you have to install some aspell dictionaries as well.

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Re: [Evolution] Re: Spell component using 95% cpu

[Jean-Marc V. Liotier]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 20:53, Radek Doulík wrote:
> 
> it looks like some problem with pspell/ispell. I suggest to install
> aspell and maybe remove ispell as well. (Or at least pspell ispell
> module).

Thanks for the tip. It appears that for some reason both ispell and
aspell were installed. I shall remove ispell and keep you posted on the
results.





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Re: [Evolution] Re: Spell component using 95% cpu

[Radek Doulík]

Hi,

it looks like some problem with pspell/ispell. I suggest to install
aspell and maybe remove ispell as well. (Or at least pspell ispell
module).

Cheers
Radek

On Út, 2002-07-16 at 10:31, Jean-Marc V. Liotier wrote:
> gnome-spell-component is back... A couple of weeks ago, I answered to
> someone in this thread that it was no longer bothering me, but it is
> hogging my CPU again.
> 
> A few times a day, gnome-spell-component starts hogging all CPU and
> forces me to kill it manually. This happens while I'm editing a message
> in Evolution, but not systematically (just when I'm writing about it I
> can't get it to happen...)
> 
> Three months ago, the symptoms were already the same. Here is an extract
> of the "ps faux" output showing the two tasks that show the symptom of
> my problem. The defunct ispell is a daughter task of the
> gnome-spell-component task :
> 
> jim   1436 95.9  2.3 17092 4420 ?R04:26 268:30 
>  gnome-spell-component
>  --oaf-activate-iid=3DOAFIID:GNOME_Spell_DictionaryFactory:0.1
>  --oaf-ior-fd=3D24
> 
> jim   1439  0.0  0.0 00 ?Z04:26   0:01
>  \_ [ispell ]
> 
> I suspect that I should file an upstream bug report, unless somebody has
> a clue about possible causes. The only problem is that there is no
> mention of gnome-spell in the Gnome Bugzilla...
> 
> I'm running unstable on an Inspiron 4000 with 2.4.17
> gnome-spell  0.4.1-4 (symptom was same with 0.4.1-3)
> evolution1.0.7-3 (symptom was same with 1.0.3-1)
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Re: [Evolution] Reply to attached messages

[Jeffrey Stedfast]

I meant that it is already there for 1.1

Jeff

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 14:39, Richard Zach wrote:
> > http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1587
> > 
> >  --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2002-07-16 11:20 ---
> >  Jeff, how do you reply to an attached message?  There's no context
> >  menu in the preview pane in 1.0.8; will it be there in 1.1?
> > +
> > +--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2002-07-16 14:24 ---
> > +it's there now.
> > +
> > +you have to click a "View aMessages" thingy and then you get a
> > +message-list view of the forwarded message(s) and then you can
> > +reply/forward/etc
> 
> Sorry, Jeff, I don't get it.  Which "thingy"?  Both in a
> multipart/digest, or if I forward a message (as attachment) to myself,
> all I can seem to do is look at the attachment. There's no drop-down
> menu like for other attachements (save, open with, etc).  Right-click on
> the attachment does nothing.  (This is in 1.0.8 snapshot).
> 
> -R
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> 
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[Evolution] Reply to attached messages

[Richard Zach]

> http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1587
> 
>  --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2002-07-16 11:20 ---
>  Jeff, how do you reply to an attached message?  There's no context
>  menu in the preview pane in 1.0.8; will it be there in 1.1?
> +
> +--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2002-07-16 14:24 ---
> +it's there now.
> +
> +you have to click a "View aMessages" thingy and then you get a
> +message-list view of the forwarded message(s) and then you can
> +reply/forward/etc

Sorry, Jeff, I don't get it.  Which "thingy"?  Both in a
multipart/digest, or if I forward a message (as attachment) to myself,
all I can seem to do is look at the attachment. There's no drop-down
menu like for other attachements (save, open with, etc).  Right-click on
the attachment does nothing.  (This is in 1.0.8 snapshot).

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Re: [Evolution] Issues with evolution-devel from evolution-stable

[Brad Felmey]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 09:04, Dan Winship wrote:

> "Make it customizable" is almost always the wrong answer. If it's good,
> then it's good, and if it's bad, then it's bad, and if it's the sort of
> thing that some people are used to one way and other people are used to
> another way, then people can get used to different things, and will
> eventually get used to the way evolution does it.

You must be kidding, right? Can you IMAGINE if every app developer took
this attitude?
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Re: [Evolution] vCalendar

[Rodrigo Moya]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 10:09, Lonnie Borntreger wrote:
> Is there any way to have Evolution offer saving a vCalendar attachment
> into its calendar instead of only offering to open it in gnome-cal? 
> Would a mime-type change do it, or is it too different from iCalendar to
> work?
> 
yes, you'll need to change the mime type but to point to an app that supports it
on the command line, for instance.

for the time being, if you use CVS HEAD, you can import gnome-cal files into
Evolution's calendar/tasks. You only need to save the file to disk and File->Import.

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Re: [Evolution] blahfasel@[123.45.3789.123] addresses

[Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 16:48, Peter Williams wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 09:09, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote:
> > Yo!
> > 
> > evolution mangles adresses in the user@[numerical ip] form, which I use
> > occasionally for testing purposes (as I don't want to reconfig my dns 10
> > times a day sometimes).
> > 
> > any reason for that?
> 
> What do you mean by "mangles"?

Sending to abc@[123.123.123.123], evo will send this address as 
'abc@[ 123.123.132.123 ]' (note the extra spaces), so the message will
bounce (at least when postfix is the MTA).

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Re: [Evolution] Issues with evolution-devel from evolution-stable

[Brett Johnson]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 08:04, Dan Winship wrote:
> > > > It's all that bad.  N & P may be Netscap-ish, but hitting "N" for next
> > > > message, and "P" for previous is a no-brainer.  
> > > > 
> > > > Please please please change it back. :)
> > > 
> > > Not my decision.
> > 
> > Sigh, how about making it customizable
> 
> "Make it customizable" is almost always the wrong answer.

Wow, I couldn't disagree more.  Given the current lack of a reasonable
standard for moving from one message to the next, making the keybindings
easily customizable is the _only_ reasonable option.  As it currently
sits, the KDE camp has one set of keybindings, netscape 4.X has another
set (alt-up and alt-down, which I prefer by the way), mozilla has
another set, PAN has another set (n & p, like Evo used to have), and now
Evolution has it's very own wierd-ass set of keybindings.  It's a royal
mess, and since everyone can't agree on a "standard" set of keybindings,
the only way out of the mess is to provide a reasonable default, then
let the user change it if desired.

> If it's good,
> then it's good, and if it's bad, then it's bad, and if it's the sort of
> thing that some people are used to one way and other people are used to
> another way, then people can get used to different things, and will
> eventually get used to the way evolution does it.

Keybindings aren't "good" or "bad" by themselves, but rather, they're
completely a matter of preference.  The only "bad" thing about
keybindings is when you have two similar apps that use different
keybindings, and you aren't allowed to change them to be the same. 
That's the situation y'all are creating with Evo 1.1, and it sucks (the
situation sucks, not Evo 1.1 ;o)

Cheers!
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Re: [Evolution] blahfasel@[123.45.3789.123] addresses

[Peter Williams]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 09:09, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote:
> Yo!
> 
> evolution mangles adresses in the user@[numerical ip] form, which I use
> occasionally for testing purposes (as I don't want to reconfig my dns 10
> times a day sometimes).
> 
> any reason for that?

What do you mean by "mangles"?

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Re: [Evolution] Next and Previous

[Peter Williams]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 08:24, Anton J Aylward, CISSP wrote:
> But surely the cursor keys are the ultimate in being independent of the
> user's native language and cultural assumptions?
> 
> The way the message and folder lists are laid out on the screen the
> "intuitively obvious" motion us "up and "down".

Well, right now up and down move one message at a time, as they should.
We need a way to move to the next/previous unread message.

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[Evolution] Re: Spell component using 95% cpu

[Jean-Marc V. Liotier]

gnome-spell-component is back... A couple of weeks ago, I answered to
someone in this thread that it was no longer bothering me, but it is
hogging my CPU again.

A few times a day, gnome-spell-component starts hogging all CPU and
forces me to kill it manually. This happens while I'm editing a message
in Evolution, but not systematically (just when I'm writing about it I
can't get it to happen...)

Three months ago, the symptoms were already the same. Here is an extract
of the "ps faux" output showing the two tasks that show the symptom of
my problem. The defunct ispell is a daughter task of the
gnome-spell-component task :

jim   1436 95.9  2.3 17092 4420 ?R04:26 268:30 
 gnome-spell-component
 --oaf-activate-iid=3DOAFIID:GNOME_Spell_DictionaryFactory:0.1
 --oaf-ior-fd=3D24

jim   1439  0.0  0.0 00 ?Z04:26   0:01
 \_ [ispell ]

I suspect that I should file an upstream bug report, unless somebody has
a clue about possible causes. The only problem is that there is no
mention of gnome-spell in the Gnome Bugzilla...

I'm running unstable on an Inspiron 4000 with 2.4.17
gnome-spell  0.4.1-4 (symptom was same with 0.4.1-3)
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Re: [Evolution] Issues with evolution-devel from evolution-stable

[Dan Winship]

> > > It's all that bad.  N & P may be Netscap-ish, but hitting "N" for next
> > > message, and "P" for previous is a no-brainer.  
> > > 
> > > Please please please change it back. :)
> > 
> > Not my decision.
> 
> Sigh, how about making it customizable

"Make it customizable" is almost always the wrong answer. If it's good,
then it's good, and if it's bad, then it's bad, and if it's the sort of
thing that some people are used to one way and other people are used to
another way, then people can get used to different things, and will
eventually get used to the way evolution does it.

Once you ditch 1.0 and switch to 1.1 completely, it doesn't take very
long at all to get used to the changed keybindings.

Assuming you have a US keyboard... those bindings (which are supposed to
correspond to the keys that "<" and ">" are on) suck for many non-US
keyboard layouts, so they will probably end up changing again before 1.2
is actually released.

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[Evolution] blahfasel@[123.45.3789.123] addresses

[Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder]

Yo!

evolution mangles adresses in the user@[numerical ip] form, which I use
occasionally for testing purposes (as I don't want to reconfig my dns 10
times a day sometimes).

any reason for that?

cheers
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[Evolution] Debugging LDAP

[Anton J Aylward, CISSP]

Is there a (environment?) setting for debugging LDAP?
Something that perhaps sends messages to syslog?
I'm betting "Can't contact LDAP server" on the status line
for just about everything I do, including trying to contact 
Bigfoot et al.

Thanks.

/a


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[Evolution] Next and Previous

[Anton J Aylward, CISSP]

> From: "Rev. wRy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 
> It's all that bad.  N & P may be Netscap-ish, but hitting "N" for next
> message, and "P" for previous is a no-brainer.  

Only if you're "Anglo-centric".
If you're a long time UNIX user, j and k are more of a no brainer.
But surely the cursor keys are the ultimate in being independent of the
user's native language and cultural assumptions?

The way the message and folder lists are laid out on the screen the
"intuitively obvious" motion us "up and "down".

/a

ObQ: Why is "L" on the right of keyboard and 
 "R" some way to the left of it?

 


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Re: [Evolution] LDIF export for contacts?

[Anthony E. Greene]

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>For a migration to LDAP as shared address book I'd like to export my
>evolution contacts to an LDIF file.
>
>Mozilla and other clients have such functionality and evolution at least
>has an LDIF import.
>
>Is there any direct or indirect way? I know, in the worst case one has
>to fiddle with the LDBM files. Anybod y out there with a solution?

Search the Internet for a utility that converts vCards (VCF files) to
LDIF.

Tony
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Re: [Evolution] Addressbook Bug in Evo 1.0.7?

[Christian Schömer]

Am Son, 2002-07-14 um 22.26 schrieb Not Zed:
> > 1) If I open a certain contact in the contacts component I get:
> >  "Application "evolution-addressbook" (process xxx) has crashed
> >  due to a fatal error.
> >  (Segmentation fault)
> >It's weird because I can mark the contact and export it but I can't
> >open it. It works fine at home with Evo 1.0.4. Why could that be?
> 
> I think some suse packages were built with the wrong version of libdb. 
> It must be libdb 3.1.17.  For exactly this reason - that the db files
> are version independent.

I heard of that before but my hope was that SuSE offers sensible updates
and corrects some things. Now, we added www.usr-local-bin.org to the
company's software catalogue so it's possible to install the right
package. (A matter of administration...)

> > 2) This may seem somewhat bogus. On my home machine Evo presents itself 
> >in German. It does not at work and I simply don't know how to change
> >Evo's mind. Any suggestions? (I think the machine at the office lacks
> >Gnome.)
> 
> Are you setting the local stuff properly?

Argh, guess what: I completely forgot to set $LANG and $LC_LANG. Sorry!
That probably is the drawback of working with your systems for more than
a year instead of "playing around" daily. 

> > Finally, I have a minor request: Could you add an option to the
> > configuration settings to start Evo in off-line mode? It would save me
> > one click everytime I start Evo.
> 
> That bug just got fixed in 1.1.x.

Thank you, I'm looking forward to the 1.1 release.

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[Evolution] LDIF export for contacts?

[Marian Eichholz]

Hello!

For a migration to LDAP as shared address book I'd like to export my
evolution contacts to an LDIF file.

Mozilla and other clients have such functionality and evolution at least
has an LDIF import.

Is there any direct or indirect way? I know, in the worst case one has
to fiddle with the LDBM files. Anybod y out there with a solution?

Thank You in advance!

- Marian



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[Evolution] vCalendar

[Lonnie Borntreger]

Is there any way to have Evolution offer saving a vCalendar attachment
into its calendar instead of only offering to open it in gnome-cal? 
Would a mime-type change do it, or is it too different from iCalendar to
work?

TTFN, 
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Re: [Evolution] Issues with evolution-devel from evolution-stable

[Dirk Husemann]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 07:09, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-07-15 at 21:22, Rev. wRy wrote:
> [snip]
> > > > > 
> > > > > this was removed because it conflicted with a new feature to use
> > > > > auto-completion for jumping to messages (similar to what Outlook does).
> > > > > 
> > > > > Not sure I like it either, but it's what people wanted.
> > > > 
> > > > It's sick and wrong.  Period and comma to move between messages?  Gak!
> > > 
> > > yea, I don't like it either... but other mailers use this convention
> > > also so maybe it's not all that bad? N and P are pretty Netscape-ish.
> > 
> > It's all that bad.  N & P may be Netscap-ish, but hitting "N" for next
> > message, and "P" for previous is a no-brainer.  
> > 
> > Please please please change it back. :)
> 
> Not my decision.

Sigh, how about making it customizable instead of forcing various
"standard ways" of doing things down ppl's throats? Why spoil an
otherwise really nice application?

Just my $0.02

Dirk


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Re: [Evolution] opening messages in the Outbox

[Jean-Marc V. Liotier]

On Mon, 2002-07-15 at 20:06, Tim Lee wrote:
> 
> I was wondering why when you open a message in Evolution's Outbox,
> Evolution actually creates a new copy of the message for you to edit.
> This behavior seems a little counter intuitive, I was expecting
> Evolution to open the original message. This behavior may not be a
> problem in the Drafts folder [..]

Actually, I found it to be counter intuitive even in the Drafts folder,
but it is only my opinion. In any case, it is a safe behavior because it
prevents overwriting, so one may think twice before altering it. Maybe
add a "what to do after editing a message" option defaulting on "save as
a copy, don't touch the old version" and switchable to "overwrite the
old version".

Or maybe something more in line with the current "composer" tab of the
"mail settings" dialog : a "save a copy of an edited message" checkbox
defaulting on the checked state.





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