Re: [Evolution] Arbitrary (way to modify) 'From' when composing

[Jeffrey Stedfast]

On Thu, 2002-07-18 at 01:43, Eric Lambart wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 18:40, Kenneth Porter wrote:
> > 
> > How about this: I should be able to copy an existing account and then
> > edit the copy. And in case you're having trouble figuring out how that's
> > supposed to work, you put a Copy button after the Edit button in the
> > account list page, open an account edit dialog with the information from
> > the copied account and the name blank.
> 
> Now that is an excellent idea, IMHO.

Creating a new account copies the transport of the default account. For
"copied" accounts, you'd want to choose "None" for the source. That's 2
thirds of everything already filled out for you.

There's no need for a Copy. It's just extra cruft that doesn't need to
be there (especially since the only part not defaulted for you is the
part you want to change - ie the identity info).

The reason it copies the default transport config is just for this very
reason, so people could create null accounts and only change the
identity page.

(yes, I thought of everything...didn't I? hah)

Jeff

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Re: [Evolution] Arbitrary (way to modify) 'From' when composing

[Eric Lambart]

On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 18:40, Kenneth Porter wrote:
> 
> How about this: I should be able to copy an existing account and then
> edit the copy. And in case you're having trouble figuring out how that's
> supposed to work, you put a Copy button after the Edit button in the
> account list page, open an account edit dialog with the information from
> the copied account and the name blank.

Now that is an excellent idea, IMHO.

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[OT] Re: [Evolution] Next and Previous

[Not Zed]

> > The "context" you describe has been found to be the way people really
> > work.  The meaning of "shoot" depends on whether you are holding a gun,
> > holding a camera, or playing soccer.
> 
> It's interesting that you don't mention that languages have tens of
> thousands of words, and not five that each mean different things
> depending on context.  And why did you pick "shoot" instead of
> "computer", "keyboard", or "desk" (just to name three things directly in
> front of me)?

Oh, not to mention cultural differences!

I recently discovered "bonking" has quite a different meaning in USA
than here.  Here it means the same as "rooting" does here, but definetly
not the same as "rooting" does there.

:)



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Re: [Evolution] Wombat crashes on ldap modify

[Not Zed]

I haven't seen mention of this on the list lately.

Submit a bug report, with a backtrace.


On Thu, 2002-07-18 at 06:00, Blake Barnett wrote:
> Everything else related to LDAP works perfectly, adding, deleting, etc. 
> But I am unable to modify any entries, which is more than mildly
> annoying.  
> 
> OS: Debian (sid) unstable
> Evolution: 1.0.7
> LDAP: OpenLDAP 2.0.23
> 
> Anyone seen this?  Quick fix available?  (crosses fingers).
> 
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Re: [Evolution] Wish list/Todo ?

[Not Zed]

On Thu, 2002-07-18 at 02:43, Ben FrantzDale wrote:
> Yes! Submit feature requests as bugs with status "enhancement" at
> bugzilla.ximian.com

 ... after checking it isn't already there.

Also separate features into individual reports, not a big one with 10
points.

> On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 05:36, Oliver Sturm wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > Is there a place where todo entries and other peoples' enhancement ideas
> > are collected? I've been using Evolution for some days now and I have a
> > substantial amount of ideas for the mailer. Where can I send them,
> > please?
> > 
> > 
> >Oliver Sturm
> > 
> > -- 
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> > Tel.: 0211-2202821   - Fax: 0211-2202822-
> > http://www.Manfred-Dahlhoff.de
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Re: [Evolution] Next and Previous

[Not Zed]

> What is annoying, though, is that when I select a different folder (or
> click on the contact or calendar icons in the folder list) that the
> focus changes to the folder list instead of going automatically to the
> message list.

Agreed, but how else are you going to enable keyboard navigation of the
folder tree?




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Re: [Evolution] Arbitrary (way to modify) 'From' when composing

[Kenneth Porter]

On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 14:47, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:

> > I have a few disabled accounts defined just to allow me to wear
> > different "hats" in my IT role, such as IT, Postmaster, Abuse,
> > Hostmaster, etc. Allowing my primary account to use aliases would
> > eliminate the need for all the excess account info.
> 
> How? you already have the accounts created, if we changed it you would
> just have to create it again and it wouldn't have solved a thing.

Your assumption is that I've created all the accounts I'll ever want. In
fact, I've avoided using good reply addresses because it's so painful to
make a dummy account just to hold one piece of information, the
alternate alias I want replies to come back to.

> Also - have you given any thought to how this would be presented to the
> user in the composer? I doubt it.

Your telepathy isn't working very well. I've been giving a great deal of
thought to how it should work.

How about this: I should be able to copy an existing account and then
edit the copy. And in case you're having trouble figuring out how that's
supposed to work, you put a Copy button after the Edit button in the
account list page, open an account edit dialog with the information from
the copied account and the name blank.



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Re: [Evolution] Next and Previous

[Björn Torkelsson]

Jeffrey Stedfast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[snip]

> how about using the ',' and '.' keys? that's what I use and it is
> absolutely no more typing than with n or p
> and since they are next to each other on the keyboard, with < and > it
> makes it easier to visually "see" which way they are supposed to go. A
> nice visual cue if you will.

They are? I have < and > on the same key, together with '|'. ',' and '.'
are on the same keys as ';' and ':'.

Sorry. Couldn't resist :-)

/torkel - typing on a swedish keybord


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Re: [Evolution] Sound over network.

[Peter Williams]

On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 16:50, Tig Kerkman wrote:
> Evolution version 1.0.8.99
> 
> If I have am launching evolution from a remote sever with ssh/rsh, and I
> would like to bring sound with me.  How can I do this, I know nothing
> about espeaker??

You need 'esd' on your local computer to be set up to accept incoming
connections (with the -port command), and then you need to export
ESPEAKER=[ip address of local computer]:[port].

I've never tried this so things probably aren't that simple. Try
http://www.tux.org/~ricdude/docs.html

Peter

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Re: [Evolution] Sound over network.

[Jeffrey Stedfast]

No idea, you'll have to read about ESounD.

Jeff

On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 16:50, Tig Kerkman wrote:
> Evolution version 1.0.8.99
> 
> If I have am launching evolution from a remote sever with ssh/rsh, and I
> would like to bring sound with me.  How can I do this, I know nothing
> about espeaker??
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Re: [Evolution] configurable defaults or buttons on tool bar?

[Rob Brown-Bayliss]

On Thu, 2002-07-18 at 10:00, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote:
> There's a default forward-style option menu in the mail-config settings

thanks


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Re: [Evolution] Bug 6951 Save All Attachments

[Jeffrey Stedfast]

Yea, as soon as someone implements it :-)

Jeff

On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 17:52, Chuck Stuettgen wrote:
> Any time frame for when we might see a Save All Attachments option as
> listed in Bug 6951?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Evolution] configurable defaults or buttons on tool bar?

[David Hoover]

On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 14:44, Rob Brown-Bayliss wrote:
> 
> Hi, is there away to configue the buttons on the tool bar in evolution?
> 
> I ask as 99 times out of 100 I forward inline so I wouldlike the make
> the default action (for me) on the forward button to inline, 
Well, to address the forward-inline bit specifically, in Tools->Mail
Settings->Composer, you can set your default forward style to inline.
The forward button on the toolbar forwards messages in whatever way you
have set as your default.


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Re: [Evolution] configurable defaults or buttons on tool bar?

[Peter Williams]

On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 17:44, Rob Brown-Bayliss wrote:
> Hi, is there away to configue the buttons on the tool bar in evolution?
> 
> I ask as 99 times out of 100 I forward inline so I wouldlike the make
> the default action (for me) on the forward button to inline, 

You can configure the default forward action... Tools | Preferences |
Composer Preferences | Forward Style.

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[Evolution] Sound over network.

[Tig Kerkman]

Evolution version 1.0.8.99

If I have am launching evolution from a remote sever with ssh/rsh, and I
would like to bring sound with me.  How can I do this, I know nothing
about espeaker??
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[Evolution] Bug 6951 Save All Attachments

[Chuck Stuettgen]

Any time frame for when we might see a Save All Attachments option as
listed in Bug 6951?






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Re: [Evolution] configurable defaults or buttons on tool bar?

[Jeffrey Stedfast]

There's a default forward-style option menu in the mail-config settings

Jeff

On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 17:44, Rob Brown-Bayliss wrote:
> Hi, is there away to configue the buttons on the tool bar in evolution?
> 
> I ask as 99 times out of 100 I forward inline so I wouldlike the make
> the default action (for me) on the forward button to inline, 
> 
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[Evolution] configurable defaults or buttons on tool bar?

[Rob Brown-Bayliss]

Hi, is there away to configue the buttons on the tool bar in evolution?

I ask as 99 times out of 100 I forward inline so I wouldlike the make
the default action (for me) on the forward button to inline, 

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Re: [Evolution] Quoting Re'd Messages?

[Jeffrey Stedfast]

I think this is configurable in 1.1.x

Jeff

On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 16:14, Langsley T Russell wrote:
> Is there some way to set Evo so that it doesn't automatically include
> the text of a message to which one is replying? I'm on a number of
> mailing lists and most of then frown on this practice and I'd rather not
> have to remember it and delete it by hand each time.
> 
> Thanks. 
> LTR
> 
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Re: [Evolution] Arbitrary (way to modify) 'From' when composing

[Jeffrey Stedfast]

On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 15:27, Kenneth Porter wrote:
> On Sun, 2002-07-14 at 00:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Sat, 2002-07-13 at 06:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > > In this case, you don't need a separate account to get the mail. You
> > > don't need a separate account to read the mail. You DO need a separate
> > > account to send mail that claims to come from that address, and I don't
> > > see why you'd ever need to do that here.
> > 
> > I don't see why there's such a fuss - how about something like 'Use X
> > SMTP method when altering From-line'?
> > 
> > I know of at least five other people who do exactly the same thing with
> > their mail clients. It's about the only major flaw I've found in
> > evolution.
> 
> We've also been told that to do sophisticated filtering, we should use
> procmail, not evo. It's common to use "plussed" addresses (eg.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]) to filter one's mailing list traffic with procmail.
> There should be some way in evo to use a plussed address without
> defining a new account for every mailing list we subscribe to. Or at
> least provide a druid that can auto-generate an account given a message
> and a prototype account.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] does not resolve to the same mailbox (where mailbox
is defined by rfc822) as [EMAIL PROTECTED] nor [EMAIL PROTECTED] so it *is* a
completely different account.

> 
> For instance, one gets the welcome message from a mailing list. One
> invokes the "mailing list druid". The druid generates a filter entry, a
> folder, and an account. The last part creates a new account if the
> recipient isn't in the list of accounts. It duplicates one's choice of
> existing accounts, setting the address to that found in the message.
> 
> So if I subscribe to evo using the above address, and receive the
> message with the account associated with [EMAIL PROTECTED], the druid will
> create an evolution-hackers folder, a filter to file future messages,
> and an account for [EMAIL PROTECTED] with settings copied from
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], but with the receive part disabled.

And how does the 'plussed' email address get created? It's not
Evolution's responsibility to go editing your sendmail.cf

Not to mention it would need root access to do that anyway.

> 
> (I realize that the first two steps can already be done by the "create
> filter from mailing list" menuitem. What's needed is the account
> duplicator logic. And this is only needed because the From part can't be
> changed at compose time.)
> 
> Just thought of another way to implement this: Allow multiple addresses
> for an account, and make it easy to add an address to an account. This
> might be a list of aliases in the sending server properties, and for
> each alias should include the 4 values from the first page of the
> account (name/from/replyto-name/reply-to).

No. This is MUCH more complex than the current implementation and gains
you absolutely nothing over the current way things are done.

> 
> I have a few disabled accounts defined just to allow me to wear
> different "hats" in my IT role, such as IT, Postmaster, Abuse,
> Hostmaster, etc. Allowing my primary account to use aliases would
> eliminate the need for all the excess account info.

How? you already have the accounts created, if we changed it you would
just have to create it again and it wouldn't have solved a thing.

Also - have you given any thought to how this would be presented to the
user in the composer? I doubt it.

The only way I can see as a valid way of presenting this monstrocity is
to have an account option menu and an alias option menu for the From
header in the composer. Huh? Why the hell would I want to pick TWO items
in TWO separate option menus when I can simply pick ONE item?

Your method not only makes the code a lot more complex, but also makes
it a hell of a lot more complicated for the user.

Jeff

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Re: [Evolution] Next and Previous

[Jeffrey Stedfast]

On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 15:24, Ben Escoto wrote:
[snip]
> 
>  Meanwhile to go to the next message I have to press Alt-A, G, N. 
> Somehow, as I type four times as much as I should, I cannot find much
> consolation in the fact that Evolution adheres to "accepted rules of
> design".  Is one of these "accepted rules of design" that the
> application has to be a pain to actually use?

how about using the ',' and '.' keys? that's what I use and it is
absolutely no more typing than with n or p
and since they are next to each other on the keyboard, with < and > it
makes it easier to visually "see" which way they are supposed to go. A
nice visual cue if you will.

I'll agree that I liked n and p also, but give it a rest.

Jeff

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Re: [Evolution] Quoting Re'd Messages?

[Ben FrantzDale]

On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 13:14, Langsley T Russell wrote:
> Is there some way to set Evo so that it doesn't automatically include
> the text of a message to which one is replying? I'm on a number of
> mailing lists and most of then frown on this practice and I'd rather not
> have to remember it and delete it by hand each time.

I don't see a way to do it. It certainly seems like an appropriate
setting to have.

I'd think it would be in the Composer tab of the "Mail Settings" dialog.
It already has "default forward style is:". A "Default reply style is:
[inline, attachment, none]" or something like that.

Does anyone know if there's an open feature request for this (or if
it'll be fixed in the next major release)?

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[Evolution] Quoting Re'd Messages?

[Langsley T Russell]

Is there some way to set Evo so that it doesn't automatically include
the text of a message to which one is replying? I'm on a number of
mailing lists and most of then frown on this practice and I'd rather not
have to remember it and delete it by hand each time.

Thanks. 
LTR



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[Evolution] Wombat crashes on ldap modify

[Blake Barnett]

Everything else related to LDAP works perfectly, adding, deleting, etc. 
But I am unable to modify any entries, which is more than mildly
annoying.  

OS: Debian (sid) unstable
Evolution: 1.0.7
LDAP: OpenLDAP 2.0.23

Anyone seen this?  Quick fix available?  (crosses fingers).

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Re: [Evolution] Arbitrary (way to modify) 'From' when composing

[Kenneth Porter]

On Sun, 2002-07-14 at 00:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-07-13 at 06:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > In this case, you don't need a separate account to get the mail. You
> > don't need a separate account to read the mail. You DO need a separate
> > account to send mail that claims to come from that address, and I don't
> > see why you'd ever need to do that here.
> 
> I don't see why there's such a fuss - how about something like 'Use X
> SMTP method when altering From-line'?
> 
> I know of at least five other people who do exactly the same thing with
> their mail clients. It's about the only major flaw I've found in
> evolution.

We've also been told that to do sophisticated filtering, we should use
procmail, not evo. It's common to use "plussed" addresses (eg.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]) to filter one's mailing list traffic with procmail.
There should be some way in evo to use a plussed address without
defining a new account for every mailing list we subscribe to. Or at
least provide a druid that can auto-generate an account given a message
and a prototype account.

For instance, one gets the welcome message from a mailing list. One
invokes the "mailing list druid". The druid generates a filter entry, a
folder, and an account. The last part creates a new account if the
recipient isn't in the list of accounts. It duplicates one's choice of
existing accounts, setting the address to that found in the message.

So if I subscribe to evo using the above address, and receive the
message with the account associated with [EMAIL PROTECTED], the druid will
create an evolution-hackers folder, a filter to file future messages,
and an account for [EMAIL PROTECTED] with settings copied from
[EMAIL PROTECTED], but with the receive part disabled.

(I realize that the first two steps can already be done by the "create
filter from mailing list" menuitem. What's needed is the account
duplicator logic. And this is only needed because the From part can't be
changed at compose time.)

Just thought of another way to implement this: Allow multiple addresses
for an account, and make it easy to add an address to an account. This
might be a list of aliases in the sending server properties, and for
each alias should include the 4 values from the first page of the
account (name/from/replyto-name/reply-to).

I have a few disabled accounts defined just to allow me to wear
different "hats" in my IT role, such as IT, Postmaster, Abuse,
Hostmaster, etc. Allowing my primary account to use aliases would
eliminate the need for all the excess account info.


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Re: [Evolution] Next and Previous

[Ben Escoto]

On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 04:35, Anton J Aylward, CISSP wrote:
> > Actually, at least in my version (1.1.0.99), they move to the prev/next
> > message, or move to the prev/next folder, or scroll the current message
> > up/down, etc., depending on where the focus is.
> > 
> > I think it would be better if there were separate keybindings for
> > prev/next read/unread message, and prev/next read/unread folder.=20
> > Possibly up/down arrow should always scroll the current message.  It's
> > too much of a pain to shift focus for the up/down arrows to have so many
> > roles.
> 
> Please no!
> This goes against all the accepted rules of user interface design,
> man-machine interfacing, ergonomics or whatever you want to call it, not
> least of the principles based on actual field research.

I hate the way people are beaten over the head with "accepted rules of
user interface design".  It is usually used as a way of dismissing
suggestions without considering them in detail.  (I'm not necessarily
talking about your reply in particular.)  For instance, in this
situation, instead of asking what would happen if "N" moved to the next
message, instead of wondering if new users would be confused by this,
and instead of considering the convenience to users familiar with the
mailer, we immediately move into dubious metaphors...

 Meanwhile to go to the next message I have to press Alt-A, G, N. 
Somehow, as I type four times as much as I should, I cannot find much
consolation in the fact that Evolution adheres to "accepted rules of
design".  Is one of these "accepted rules of design" that the
application has to be a pain to actually use?

> The "context" you describe has been found to be the way people really
> work.  The meaning of "shoot" depends on whether you are holding a gun,
> holding a camera, or playing soccer.

It's interesting that you don't mention that languages have tens of
thousands of words, and not five that each mean different things
depending on context.  And why did you pick "shoot" instead of
"computer", "keyboard", or "desk" (just to name three things directly in
front of me)?

But the main problem with the analogy is that in reality, there are
not different contexts when the focus is on the folder versus when it is
on the message scan window.  If you ask someone playing soccer or
holding a camera what they are doing, they (after being confused maybe)
will probably say that they are playing soccer or taking pictures.  But
I imagine no one thinks of themselves as "being in the folder selection
widget" as opposed to reading a message.

> Someone (Rob Pike perhaps?) described the kind of keybinding Ben is
> talking about  as having a dashboard on your car with hundreds of
> buttons labeled things like "turn on radio and search for some good
> music; if not found then pull over at the next drive-through donut
> store".

There are again tons of problems with this analogy.  Firstly, it's not
clear what driving and reading email have in common.  Secondly, the
number of buttons on a keyboard is fixed, I was just proposing that some
of them do something useful.  Thirdly, I wasn't proposing that one key
do two separating things like "turn on the radio and ... pull over" I
was suggesting that one key do something like "next folder" or "next
message" - is that so complicated?  Fourthly, car radios have almost all
the bindings I describe:  AM/FM=Change Folder, Tuning Wheel=next/prev
message, Seek=next unread message.  In fact, many radios have station
presets, a feature that would be really useful in evolution.

>  If you really want all those keybindings, why don't you use EMACS as
> your MUA instead of Evolution?  EMACS is good at keybinding and complex
> context-insensitive operations.

This is irrelevant for a number of reasons: it is a category mistake
since emacs isn't a (single) mailer; it is a personal attack of the
"love-it-or-leave-it" variety (which just stifles improvement); and it
ignores the obvious possibility that I like something about Evolution
(vfolders) besides its keybindings.

But it also suggests that emacs has such an execrable interface that
anything that made Evolution resemble Emacs in any way would be a
disaster.  But has anyone ever considered that there is *something* good
about Emacs' interface?  Or wondered why some many thousands of
sophisticated users use Emacs even though it is apparently such a POS,
and even when they could easily which to a different editor?  If it is
so obviously unusable why has it been ported to dozens of platforms?  No
one could be productive using Emacs - but then why do thousands of
programmers use Emacs, many of whom care about their productivity and
maybe could even write their own editor?

Of course I'm not suggesting we turn Evolution into an emacs GUI. 
But we should recognize that Emacs does some things right.


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>I fully agree that it's a quite obscure feature. It's no high priority
>for me, too - for testing I can always use telnet. Using evo would just
>be a matter of convenience.

I have found that I often need to be able to repeatedly send a message to
test some mail-related feature or another. So I created a shell script
that pipes a message file to sendmail. If you have to do it more than once
or twice, using a script is a lot faster than using a mailer.

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Re: [Evolution] Wish list/Todo ?

[Ben FrantzDale]

Yes! Submit feature requests as bugs with status "enhancement" at
bugzilla.ximian.com

--Ben

On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 05:36, Oliver Sturm wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Is there a place where todo entries and other peoples' enhancement ideas
> are collected? I've been using Evolution for some days now and I have a
> substantial amount of ideas for the mailer. Where can I send them,
> please?
> 
> 
>Oliver Sturm
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Re: [Evolution] Where are external program settings for attachments?

[Andy Cowell]

On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 12:02, Paul Hands wrote: 
> Hi, 
> 
> Most of this stuff is in the gnome control centre.  From within
> Evolution, it can be accessed by opening a new message window.  Then, in
> the "edit" menu, there is a "properties" choice.  This gets you to the
> control centre, where you can change the path. 

Thanks.  That's what I was looking for, I guess it's not a path issue. 
Here's the process listing I see: 

baphomet:[/usr/home/acowell] while true ; do ps waux | egrep pdf | egrep
-v grep ; done 
acowell  19942  0.0  0.4  2028  912 ?R12:18   0:00 sh -c
/usr/bin/xpdf
/tmp/evolution-1000-19608/evolution.mOhFoB/EWCBG03_215483\EWCBG03_215483.PDF & 

Run by hand with single ticks around '/usr/bin/xpdf /tmp/...83.PDF', it
works just fine.  Launched from evolution, though, xpdf doesn't pop up
and evidently the process immediately dies.  I tried running a strace
-f, and just don't see it calling the shell or xpdf.  The output is at
http://www.cowell.org/~andy/out.txt .  There are two fork calls, but the
child in both just connects to a socket under /tmp/orbit?  I'm not
familiar with gnome at all, so maybe I'm missing something obvious
here.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.

> On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 16:21, Andy Cowell wrote: 
> 
> I'm running 1.0.4.  I upgraded it and a few other things, and broke my 
> xpdf for .pdf attachments.  It appears to be called correctly, but is 
> called without an explicit path, so I think it's just a path issue. 
> However, I can't find where this setting is stored at.  Any help? 
 
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Re: [Evolution] Where are external program settings for attachments?

[Paul Hands]

Title: [Evolution] Where are external program settings for attachments?




Hi,



Most of this stuff is in the gnome control centre.  From within Evolution, it can be accessed by opening a new message window.  Then, in the "edit" menu, there is a "properties" choice.  This gets you to the control centre, where you can change the path.



HTH,



Paul



On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 16:21, Andy Cowell wrote:

I'm running 1.0.4.  I upgraded it and a few other things, and broke my

xpdf for .pdf attachments.  It appears to be called correctly, but is

called without an explicit path, so I think it's just a path issue. 

However, I can't find where this setting is stored at.  Any help?



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[Evolution] Where are external program settings for attachments?

[Andy Cowell]

I'm running 1.0.4.  I upgraded it and a few other things, and broke my
xpdf for .pdf attachments.  It appears to be called correctly, but is
called without an explicit path, so I think it's just a path issue. 
However, I can't find where this setting is stored at.  Any help?

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Re: [Evolution] Re: Spell component using 95% cpu

[Radek Doulík]

On Út, 2002-07-16 at 07:50, Not Zed wrote:
> Looks to me more like gnome-spell is looping on a pipe read when ispell
> crashes.

gnome-spell doesn't use ispell directly, but thru pspell.

Radek

> 
> Which is a gnome-spell problem too.
> 
> On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 04:23, Radek Doulík wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > it looks like some problem with pspell/ispell. I suggest to install
> > aspell and maybe remove ispell as well. (Or at least pspell ispell
> > module).
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Radek
> > 
> > On Út, 2002-07-16 at 10:31, Jean-Marc V. Liotier wrote:
> > > gnome-spell-component is back... A couple of weeks ago, I answered to
> > > someone in this thread that it was no longer bothering me, but it is
> > > hogging my CPU again.
> > > 
> > > A few times a day, gnome-spell-component starts hogging all CPU and
> > > forces me to kill it manually. This happens while I'm editing a message
> > > in Evolution, but not systematically (just when I'm writing about it I
> > > can't get it to happen...)
> > > 
> > > Three months ago, the symptoms were already the same. Here is an extract
> > > of the "ps faux" output showing the two tasks that show the symptom of
> > > my problem. The defunct ispell is a daughter task of the
> > > gnome-spell-component task :
> > > 
> > > jim   1436 95.9  2.3 17092 4420 ?R04:26 268:30 
> > >  gnome-spell-component
> > >  --oaf-activate-iid=3DOAFIID:GNOME_Spell_DictionaryFactory:0.1
> > >  --oaf-ior-fd=3D24
> > > 
> > > jim   1439  0.0  0.0 00 ?Z04:26   0:01
> > >  \_ [ispell ]
> > > 
> > > I suspect that I should file an upstream bug report, unless somebody has
> > > a clue about possible causes. The only problem is that there is no
> > > mention of gnome-spell in the Gnome Bugzilla...
> > > 
> > > I'm running unstable on an Inspiron 4000 with 2.4.17
> > > gnome-spell  0.4.1-4 (symptom was same with 0.4.1-3)
> > > evolution1.0.7-3 (symptom was same with 1.0.3-1)
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Re: [Evolution] Next and Previous

[Dirk Husemann]

On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 14:49, Eric Lambart wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 14:56, Ben Escoto wrote:
> > On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 07:47, Peter Williams wrote:

[...]

> > I think it would be better if there were separate keybindings for
> > prev/next read/unread message, and prev/next read/unread folder. 
> > Possibly up/down arrow should always scroll the current message.  It's
> > too much of a pain to shift focus for the up/down arrows to have so many
> > roles.
> 
> There already are separate keybindings for scrolling the current
> message: [Space] scrolls down, [Backspace] scrolls up.  Works great.  No
> need to change the focus away from the message list.

What is annoying, though, is that when I select a different folder (or
click on the contact or calendar icons in the folder list) that the
focus changes to the folder list instead of going automatically to the
message list.

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Re: [Evolution] Next and Previous

[Eric Lambart]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 14:56, Ben Escoto wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 07:47, Peter Williams wrote:
> > > The way the message and folder lists are laid out on the screen the
> > > "intuitively obvious" motion us "up and "down".
> > 
> > Well, right now up and down move one message at a time, as they should.
> > We need a way to move to the next/previous unread message.
> 
> Actually, at least in my version (1.1.0.99), they move to the prev/next
> message, or move to the prev/next folder, or scroll the current message
> up/down, etc., depending on where the focus is.
> 
> I think it would be better if there were separate keybindings for
> prev/next read/unread message, and prev/next read/unread folder. 
> Possibly up/down arrow should always scroll the current message.  It's
> too much of a pain to shift focus for the up/down arrows to have so many
> roles.

There already are separate keybindings for scrolling the current
message: [Space] scrolls down, [Backspace] scrolls up.  Works great.  No
need to change the focus away from the message list.
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[Evolution] Wish list/Todo ?

[Oliver Sturm]

Hi!

Is there a place where todo entries and other peoples' enhancement ideas
are collected? I've been using Evolution for some days now and I have a
substantial amount of ideas for the mailer. Where can I send them,
please?


   Oliver Sturm

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Re: [Evolution] Re: Spell component using 95% cpu

[Anna Jonna Armannsdottir]

tir, 2002-07-16 kl. 13:50 skrev Not Zed:
> Looks to me more like gnome-spell is looping on a pipe read when ispell
> crashes.

But does ispell really crash? What if gnome-spell forgets signalling a
kill to ispell, and then ispell just waits around with nothing to do? 

My machine har the same problem, and on occation the
gnome-spell-component crashes and then we have no CPU hogging and no
orpaned ispell lying around. That is probably not conclusive, though. 

> Which is a gnome-spell problem too.

That just might be it. 
It is sad that I do not have the skills to debug this. 

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Re: [Evolution] Next and Previous

[Anton J Aylward, CISSP]

> Subject: Re: [Evolution] Next and Previous
> From: Ben Escoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 07:47, Peter Williams wrote:
> > > The way the message and folder lists are laid out on the screen the
> > > "intuitively obvious" motion us "up and "down".
> > Well, right now up and down move one message at a time, as they should.
> > We need a way to move to the next/previous unread message.
> 
> Actually, at least in my version (1.1.0.99), they move to the prev/next
> message, or move to the prev/next folder, or scroll the current message
> up/down, etc., depending on where the focus is.
> 
> I think it would be better if there were separate keybindings for
> prev/next read/unread message, and prev/next read/unread folder.=20
> Possibly up/down arrow should always scroll the current message.  It's
> too much of a pain to shift focus for the up/down arrows to have so many
> roles.

Please no!
This goes against all the accepted rules of user interface design,
man-machine interfacing, ergonomics or whatever you want to call it, not
least of the principles based on actual field research.

The "context" you describe has been found to be the way people really
work.  The meaning of "shoot" depends on whether you are holding a gun,
holding a camera, or playing soccer.

Someone (Rob Pike perhaps?) described the kind of keybinding Ben is
talking about  as having a dashboard on your car with hundreds of
buttons labeled things like "turn on radio and search for some good
music; if not found then pull over at the next drive-through donut
store".
 
If you really want all those keybindings, why don't you use EMACS as
your MUA instead of Evolution?  EMACS is good at keybinding and complex
context-insensitive operations.

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[Evolution] Re: Spell component using 95% cpu

[Anna Jonna Armannsdottir]

tir, 2002-07-16 kl. 16:31 skrev Jean-Marc V. Liotier:
> gnome-spell-component is back... A couple of weeks ago, I answered to
> someone in this thread that it was no longer bothering me, but it is
> hogging my CPU again.
> 
> A few times a day, gnome-spell-component starts hogging all CPU and
> forces me to kill it manually. This happens while I'm editing a
message
> in Evolution, but not systematically (just when I'm writing about it I
> can't get it to happen...)

My machine has the same symptoms. 

On my machine this is _very_ easy to reproduce. Occasionally the
gnome-spell-component crashes and then of course it can't hog the CPU. 

The problem does not exist _while_ editing a message. It appears when a
message has been sent or saved for sending it later or if it is
discarded. 
Every time I do one of these things, the spell component starts hogging
all free CPU. 

I use the 'ps faux' command. 

While i am writing a messsage the output of the command looks like this
and there is no CPU hogging: 

aj   18747  0.5  0.4 17264 6848 ?S12:38   0:00 gnome-gtkhtml-editor 
--oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_GtkHTML_Editor_Factory --oaf-ior-fd=23
aj   18751  0.3  0.3 17444 5964 ?S12:38   0:00 gnome-spell-component 
--oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_Spell_DictionaryFactory:0.1 --oaf-ior-fd=25
aj   18758  0.1  0.2  4200 3104 ?S12:39   0:00  \_ ispell -a -d 
/usr/lib/ispell/dansk hash


When the message is sent the the spell component starts hogging all free
CPU: 

aj   18751  1.7  0.3 17376 5920 ?R12:38   0:06 gnome-spell-component 
--oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_Spell_DictionaryFactory:0.1 --oaf-ior-fd=25
aj   18758  0.0  0.0 00 ?Z12:39   0:00  \_ [ispell ]

and 'top' shows: 

  PID USER PRI  NI  SIZE  RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM   TIME COMMAND
18751 aj19   0  5920 5920  4544 R97.0  0.3   0:47
gnome-spell-com

However, the gnome-spell-component occasionally crashes, and in that
case, there is no CPU hogging. 

I am running woody/sid on an AMD T-Bird system with
kernel 2.4.18 
gnome-spell0.4.1-4
evolution  1.0.7-1
bonobo 1.0.20-1
oaf0.6.10-2
ispell 3.1.20-21.1

I am looking forward to this problem being solved. It is rather
irritating. And the moment I send this message I am forced to manually
kill yet another process. 

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Re: [Evolution] Re: Spell component using 95% cpu

[Jean-Marc V. Liotier]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 13:50, Not Zed wrote:
> Looks to me more like gnome-spell is looping on a pipe read when ispell
> crashes.

Sounds probable, but I am unable to draw any conclusion from that
observation.
 
> Which is a gnome-spell problem too.

Is it a bug or a possible problem with my setup ? If it is a bug, is it
a known bug or should I file a new one (and where) ?





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Re: [Evolution] Re: Spell component using 95% cpu

[Jean-Marc V. Liotier]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 21:17, Radek Doulík wrote:
> On Út, 2002-07-16 at 14:56, Jean-Marc V. Liotier wrote:
> > On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 20:49, Jean-Marc V. Liotier wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 20:53, Radek Doulík wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > it looks like some problem with pspell/ispell. I suggest to install
> > > > aspell and maybe remove ispell as well. (Or at least pspell ispell
> > > > module).
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the tip. It appears that for some reason both ispell and
> > > aspell were installed. I shall remove ispell and keep you posted on the
> > > results.
> > 
> > Preliminary result is : no more spellchecking in Evo. I will look deeper
> > tomorrow morning when I get back to the office...
> 
> It's possible that you have to install some aspell dictionaries as well.

I have/had aspell-fr, en, de and es installed. Gaspell is working in
english, abiword only spells in english and not in french or german
although it used to when I set a paragraph to that language. Openoffice
spellchecks in english only, but as far as I know it has its own
spellchecker and I just have to figure out why openoffice.org-l10n-de
and openoffice.org-l10n-fr (packages from ftp.vpn-junkies.de) do not
seem to have any effect.

Looks like I have to work on my spellchecking setup. I'm not quite
comfortable with it yet, but I'll try to find where to look for. Until
then, you will have to suffer my poor english spelling skills...





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Re: [Evolution] blahfasel@[123.45.3789.123] addresses

[Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 13:48, Not Zed wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 22:39, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote:
> > Yo!
> > 
> > evolution mangles adresses in the user@[numerical ip] form, which I use
> > occasionally for testing purposes (as I don't want to reconfig my dns 10
> > times a day sometimes).
> > 
> > any reason for that?
> 
> Its just a bug. [...]
>
> Submit a bug at bugzilla.ximian.com, and assign it to [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> and i'll have a look at it.

done

[...]

I fully agree that it's a quite obscure feature. It's no high priority
for me, too - for testing I can always use telnet. Using evo would just
be a matter of convenience.

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Re: [Evolution] Next and Previous

[Dirk Husemann]

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 23:56, Ben Escoto wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 07:47, Peter Williams wrote:
> > > The way the message and folder lists are laid out on the screen the
> > > "intuitively obvious" motion us "up and "down".
> > 
> > Well, right now up and down move one message at a time, as they should.
> > We need a way to move to the next/previous unread message.
> 
> Actually, at least in my version (1.1.0.99), they move to the prev/next
> message, or move to the prev/next folder, or scroll the current message
> up/down, etc., depending on where the focus is.
> 
> I think it would be better if there were separate keybindings for
> prev/next read/unread message, and prev/next read/unread folder. 
> Possibly up/down arrow should always scroll the current message.  It's
> too much of a pain to shift focus for the up/down arrows to have so many
> roles.

I second that. As it currently (doesn't) work it's a pain (in an
otherwise really nice app).

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