Re: [Evolution] Determine mail account to reply with
On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 10:12, D. D. Brierton wrote: > what is stranger is this: Evolution is using [EMAIL PROTECTED] for all > replies (it's the first account in the list) despite the fact that > [EMAIL PROTECTED] is my default address and [EMAIL PROTECTED] is > actually disabled (it doesn't hav a tick next to it in Tools -> > Preferences -> Mail Accounts. Surely, if Evolution is going to default > to a mail address it ought to default to the default, and not an address > which is disabled? wonder if it's related to this bug which supposedly does not exist? http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=27955 BTW, I don't have that problem anymore but since Jeff chose to ignore it as a "worksforme" i presume nothing has changed and it's not truly solved. -- This message was created in a Microsoft-free computing environment. ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] Determine mail account to reply with
Running Evolution 1.1.1 on Mandrake 8.2 I've just read over the earlier thread on this topic beginning at: http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/evolution/2002-September/021289.html I'd like to say that I agree with those who'd like to see the older behaviour back. I use fetchmail to pull in mail from my various POP accounts and dump it in /var/spool/mail/darren. Therefore ALL my incoming mail messages have the same X-Evolution-Source value. Is there a bug report that I can add a "Me too!" to? Or vote on? (Does Ximian's bugzilla have voting?) what is stranger is this: Evolution is using [EMAIL PROTECTED] for all replies (it's the first account in the list) despite the fact that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is my default address and [EMAIL PROTECTED] is actually disabled (it doesn't hav a tick next to it in Tools -> Preferences -> Mail Accounts. Surely, if Evolution is going to default to a mail address it ought to default to the default, and not an address which is disabled? -- == D. D. Brierton[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dzr-web.com Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson) == ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Determine mail account to reply with
On Fri, 2002-09-13 at 04:36, Chief Gadgeteer wrote: > On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 11:48, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: > > On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 13:14, Chief Gadgeteer wrote: > > > On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 00:16, Alessio Bragadini wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 20:34, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: > > > > *and others wrote: > > > > > > I have a number of websites that I admin, some are on the same servers. > > > If I query the pop accounts individually I get an error "already have an > > > open pop session on this server". These are a real pain as they pop-up > > > in the middle of whatever I am doing - a very annoying Windows-like > > > behavior (a slap to whoever coded that). By forwarding all the > > > accounts on to a single account I avoid this problem. > > > > well, what do you want us to do with errors? just printf them into > > /dev/null? > > > > If the window pops up and steals your focus, that's a window manager > > problem afaik. > > um... have just been sacrificing chickens to this god as I had not > thought I could do anything about it. > > Don't have the global picture-don't know if your code knows the nature > of the error. Ethernet does a back-off recovery upon collision. > Eventually it times out but it very often succeeds. pop errors have no machine readable component. either something wortks or not. we have no real choice but to present any errors to the user, because they might be soimething important. > To minimize my problem I use prime numbers to config how often evol. > checks mail e.g. 11 minutes, 13, 17, etc. for the various accounts. > This greatly reduces the frequency of errors but does not eliminate > them. > > Clear as mud? :-) i'd ask the sites you admin to fix their pop servers config up so it lets you connect multiple times. ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Determine mail account to reply with
On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 11:48, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: > On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 13:14, Chief Gadgeteer wrote: > > On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 00:16, Alessio Bragadini wrote: > > > On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 20:34, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: > > > *and others wrote: > > > > I have a number of websites that I admin, some are on the same servers. > > If I query the pop accounts individually I get an error "already have an > > open pop session on this server". These are a real pain as they pop-up > > in the middle of whatever I am doing - a very annoying Windows-like > > behavior (a slap to whoever coded that). By forwarding all the > > accounts on to a single account I avoid this problem. > > well, what do you want us to do with errors? just printf them into > /dev/null? > > If the window pops up and steals your focus, that's a window manager > problem afaik. um... have just been sacrificing chickens to this god as I had not thought I could do anything about it. Don't have the global picture-don't know if your code knows the nature of the error. Ethernet does a back-off recovery upon collision. Eventually it times out but it very often succeeds. To minimize my problem I use prime numbers to config how often evol. checks mail e.g. 11 minutes, 13, 17, etc. for the various accounts. This greatly reduces the frequency of errors but does not eliminate them. Clear as mud? :-) -- Chief Gadgeteer Elegant Innovations ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Determine mail account to reply with
On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 13:14, Chief Gadgeteer wrote: > On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 00:16, Alessio Bragadini wrote: > > On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 20:34, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: > > *and others wrote: > > I have a number of websites that I admin, some are on the same servers. > If I query the pop accounts individually I get an error "already have an > open pop session on this server". These are a real pain as they pop-up > in the middle of whatever I am doing - a very annoying Windows-like > behavior (a slap to whoever coded that). By forwarding all the > accounts on to a single account I avoid this problem. well, what do you want us to do with errors? just printf them into /dev/null? If the window pops up and steals your focus, that's a window manager problem afaik. Jeff -- Jeffrey Stedfast Evolution Hacker - Ximian, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.ximian.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Determine mail account to reply with
On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 00:16, Alessio Bragadini wrote: > On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 20:34, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: > *and others wrote: I have a number of websites that I admin, some are on the same servers. If I query the pop accounts individually I get an error "already have an open pop session on this server". These are a real pain as they pop-up in the middle of whatever I am doing - a very annoying Windows-like behavior (a slap to whoever coded that). By forwarding all the accounts on to a single account I avoid this problem. The reply however -=has to be=- from the original email address. Otherwise, I get bounced emails - "unknown sender". (opps, sorry Alessio. Another example of Evolution doing the unexpected.) -- Chief Gadgeteer Elegant Innovations ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
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Forgot to change the To: field to go back to the list... -Forwarded Message- From: Greg Macek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Alessio Bragadini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Evolution] Determine mail account to reply with Date: 12 Sep 2002 09:22:31 -0500 Didn't realize this had been discussed in the past (maybe before my days on this list). Regardless, I would personally have no problem with the "old way" of determining the account if Evo 1.0.8 (SuSE 7.3 build for me) actually figured out the account to send mail from if my email isn't in the To: or Cc: fields. However, right now the behavior for me is to use the default account if it isn't found there, when it seems it should then check the X-Evolution-Source header. Just my 2 cents. On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 02:31, Alessio Bragadini wrote: > > > > 1.1.x defaults to the X-Evolution-Source first, and then checks. > > > I am interested to know what "the old way" is? If you would, explain a > > scenario where the 1.1.x way behaves in an undesirable manner? > > AFAIK: in 1.0, first are checked the 'To:' and 'Cc:' fields, then the > 'X-Evo-Source'. Different email addresses may point to the same physical > mailbox and be still differentiated as long as you have an account > without mailbox defined on it. > > So, I have [EMAIL PROTECTED] as my main address, but an alias > [EMAIL PROTECTED] for my project: this just redirects to the > main mailbox. I would like to reply to these messages with my > [EMAIL PROTECTED] account (including custom signature and > other details), which I created without an actual POP mailbox, since > there is not. > > 1.0 does this just fine because it looks to the 'To:' header. I believe > 1.1 won't because the 'X-Evo-Source' is linked to the main > '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. In fact "virtual" accounts become half useless > and lose much of their power. > > Ofcourse, I may just have misunderstood the change, but there was quite > a discussion in the previous weeks, see > http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/evolution/2002-July/020359.html > (the thread is acutally split between July and August). > ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Determine mail account to reply with
On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 07:46, Lloyd D Budd wrote: > I am interested to know what "the old way" is? If you would, explain a > scenario where the 1.1.x way behaves in an undesirable manner? [Disclaimer - I've not tried 1.1.x for a while - 2 months or so - so if there has been a change recently then this is going to be completely wrong] "The old way" - ie 1.0.x - selects the sender identity which matches an address in the to/cc header, and if a match cannot be found uses the account used for the mail retrieval (ie X-Evolution-Source:). The new method just uses the mail retrieval account id. Where the new method falls down is if the user has multiple addresses, but only one (or fewer than the number of addresses) account(s). I have a single IMAP repository and server side filter mail to many addresses into appropriate places within that repository. With the old method replies generally got the sender address right, with the new method they always are set the same and nearly always wrong - ie it works just like Eudora in that you can have multiple manually selectable sender addresses. For my use the new method is utterly useless, and is the reason why I stopped using the 1.1.x stream. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Determine mail account to reply with
> > > 1.1.x defaults to the X-Evolution-Source first, and then checks. > I am interested to know what "the old way" is? If you would, explain a > scenario where the 1.1.x way behaves in an undesirable manner? AFAIK: in 1.0, first are checked the 'To:' and 'Cc:' fields, then the 'X-Evo-Source'. Different email addresses may point to the same physical mailbox and be still differentiated as long as you have an account without mailbox defined on it. So, I have [EMAIL PROTECTED] as my main address, but an alias [EMAIL PROTECTED] for my project: this just redirects to the main mailbox. I would like to reply to these messages with my [EMAIL PROTECTED] account (including custom signature and other details), which I created without an actual POP mailbox, since there is not. 1.0 does this just fine because it looks to the 'To:' header. I believe 1.1 won't because the 'X-Evo-Source' is linked to the main '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. In fact "virtual" accounts become half useless and lose much of their power. Ofcourse, I may just have misunderstood the change, but there was quite a discussion in the previous weeks, see http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/evolution/2002-July/020359.html (the thread is acutally split between July and August). -- Alessio F. Bragadini[EMAIL PROTECTED] APL Financial Services http://village.albourne.com Nicosia, Cyprus phone: +357-22-755750 "It is more complicated than you think" -- The Eighth Networking Truth from RFC 1925 ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Determine mail account to reply with
Op do 12-09-2002, om 08:16 schreef Alessio Bragadini: > So, I believe the concerns of a lot of users (including me) who just > wanted the old way to be maintained haven't been taken into account... I do not know the old way, but what I would like is when the account is determined by the mailbox from where the email is written and/or the receipent. ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Determine mail account to reply with
Then you need to try 1.1.1 and see if it works for you, and if not explain in detail what it's doing and what you expect it to do and what the headers are (well, to/cc/x-evolution-source/etc) Jeff On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 02:16, Alessio Bragadini wrote: > On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 20:34, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: > > > 1.1.x defaults to the X-Evolution-Source first, and then checks. > > So, I believe the concerns of a lot of users (including me) who just > wanted the old way to be maintained haven't been taken into account... > > -- > Alessio F. Bragadini [EMAIL PROTECTED] > APL Financial Serviceshttp://village.albourne.com > Nicosia, Cyprus phone: +357-22-755750 > > "It is more complicated than you think" > -- The Eighth Networking Truth from RFC 1925 > > > ___ > evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution -- Jeffrey Stedfast Evolution Hacker - Ximian, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.ximian.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Determine mail account to reply with
On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 23:16, Alessio Bragadini may have wrote: > On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 20:34, Jeffrey Stedfast may have wrote: > > > 1.1.x defaults to the X-Evolution-Source first, and then checks. > > So, I believe the concerns of a lot of users (including me) who just > wanted the old way to be maintained haven't been taken into account... I am interested to know what "the old way" is? If you would, explain a scenario where the 1.1.x way behaves in an undesirable manner? Cheers, Lloyd D Budd ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Determine mail account to reply with
On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 20:34, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: > 1.1.x defaults to the X-Evolution-Source first, and then checks. So, I believe the concerns of a lot of users (including me) who just wanted the old way to be maintained haven't been taken into account... -- Alessio F. Bragadini[EMAIL PROTECTED] APL Financial Services http://village.albourne.com Nicosia, Cyprus phone: +357-22-755750 "It is more complicated than you think" -- The Eighth Networking Truth from RFC 1925 ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
Re: [Evolution] Determine mail account to reply with
The logic in 1.0.x wasn't quite right and wouldn't use the X-Evolution-Source to find the account except as a last resort (and apparently it thinks it has found you before getting to that code?). 1.1.x defaults to the X-Evolution-Source first, and then checks. Jeff On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 09:39, Greg Macek wrote: > Hello, > > As I've been using Ximian for multiple accounts for quite some time now, > there's something that I'm hoping has either already been recognized > and/or fixed in the upcoming versions. Since this account is not my main > account for Evo, I have troubles when responding to emails from > mailing-lists, unless my email address is in the To: or Cc: fields. If I > go to reply to a message on the list, Evo always uses the default > account as the From:. However, I need it to use this account. Shouldn't > it be using the X-Evolution-Source: header to determine what account to > reply to a message with? Has anyone else experienced this issue? > > - Greg > > > > ___ > evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution -- Jeffrey Stedfast Evolution Hacker - Ximian, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.ximian.com ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
[Evolution] Determine mail account to reply with
Hello, As I've been using Ximian for multiple accounts for quite some time now, there's something that I'm hoping has either already been recognized and/or fixed in the upcoming versions. Since this account is not my main account for Evo, I have troubles when responding to emails from mailing-lists, unless my email address is in the To: or Cc: fields. If I go to reply to a message on the list, Evo always uses the default account as the From:. However, I need it to use this account. Shouldn't it be using the X-Evolution-Source: header to determine what account to reply to a message with? Has anyone else experienced this issue? - Greg ___ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution
