[Evolution] Don't get new messages
Hello Patrik, But, he don't duplicate, he just don't download the new ones. Or im missing something ? Thanks, Silvino -- debiminho.com ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] using skype
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 15:45 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: Good point. What I should have said is that IMHO Evo is not going to implement a special Skype button. What is more conceivable, if there were sufficient demand, is a general-purpose Phone this contact button, which the user could set up to use whatever VOIP app he preferred. I've no idea how practical this is (e.g. how many of the VOIP apps allow you to specify the phone number from the command line or via a DBUS message?) Or probably more logical - get Skype to implement a plugin to get contact information from the Evolution database. Hmmm, good luck with that. They haven't even updated their Linux version in line with the Windows one. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] using skype
Conclusion : use something else than skype ^^ (but the phone this contact button seems a good idea to me) nm Le lundi 25 mai 2009 à 10:32 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan a écrit : On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 15:45 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: Good point. What I should have said is that IMHO Evo is not going to implement a special Skype button. What is more conceivable, if there were sufficient demand, is a general-purpose Phone this contact button, which the user could set up to use whatever VOIP app he preferred. I've no idea how practical this is (e.g. how many of the VOIP apps allow you to specify the phone number from the command line or via a DBUS message?) Or probably more logical - get Skype to implement a plugin to get contact information from the Evolution database. Hmmm, good luck with that. They haven't even updated their Linux version in line with the Windows one. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Evolution Mailer Send/Receive not working
I am using Evolution 2.26.1 with Ubuntu 9.04 on my laptop; recently, the Send/Receive function of the Mailer ceased working and the menu icon is grayed out. I restart the computer, etc, with the same results. Any ideas how to fix? Ted Tripp ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Evolution Mailer Send/Receive not working
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 08:37 -0700, Edward Tripp wrote: I am using Evolution 2.26.1 with Ubuntu 9.04 on my laptop; recently, the Send/Receive function of the Mailer ceased working and the menu icon is grayed out. I restart the computer, etc, with the same results. Any ideas how to fix? Try clicking on the online/offline plug in the lower-left corner of the Evo window. Xav ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] suggest
Hello, In my opinion is a good idea, just because i need it to do, and i was searching for the files. Thanks for the link. From time to time i have problems with evolution and the solution is to start from 0. See you, Silvino -- debiminho.com ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] using skype
2009/5/25 Brian J. Murrell br...@interlinx.bc.ca: On a more serious note, yes there is Ekiga, but what does that (successfully) interop with for your Windows (or OSX for that matter) buddies? A couple of hundred VoIP clients or so. Check wikipedias list of clients. Ekiga supports SIP and H.323, which are the most common VoIP protocols in use on the internet. Skype doesn't even come close. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_VoIP_software Jo-Erlend Schinstad ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] using skype
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad joerlend.schins...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/24 Bruno Trazzini brunotrazz...@gmail.com: I suggest adding a button to dial from the contact list using skype Skype, of all things. Why would you want a button for a play-phone service, when you can get _real_ voip with Ekiga, which is free and like Evolution, part of GNOME? The reason I use skype is that my boss requires me to. He does this because ekiga doesn't work behind our firewall and (like it or not) most people still use Windows and (at least as of a year ago) the ekiga for Windows didn't work too well. Although I'd love to switch to ekiga, I can't. Cheers David ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] suggest
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 3:32 AM, Milan Crha mc...@redhat.com wrote: On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 15:26 -0300, Bruno Trazzini wrote: I suggest adding a button to reset all settings, because even deleting the folder .evolution some settings remain active. Hi, I do not expect anyone doing that, I'm sorry. Rather see where all the settings are stored, and delete them yourself: http://www.go-evolution.org/FAQ#How_can_I_transfer_all_my_Evolution_data_from_an_old_home_directory_to_a_new_home_directory.3F How about a command-line evolution --backup-and-start-from-scratch-because-evolution-has-several-longstanding-bugs-that-require-me-to-do-it-every-other-day? ;) Cheers... David ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] using skype
- Original Message From: Jo-Erlend Schinstad joerlend.schins...@gmail.com To: evolution-list@gnome.org Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:46:31 AM Subject: Re: [Evolution] using skype 2009/5/25 Simon Roberts : Can I dial ordinary phones using Ekiga? What does it cost, and whom do I pay? Does Ekiga connect to skype users (most of my contacts are already there and won't be moving). Yes, Ekiga uses real voip protocols, used by all normal telephony service providers in all countries. Skype, on the other hand, cannot be used by real telephony service providers. Using normal VoIP instead of Skype, means competition, which means lower prices and higher availability. You can also purchase VoIP hardware that works with SIP and H.323, like Ekiga uses. There are many telephony service providers around the world and it's quite common for businesses to have their own telephony service. You can use Ekiga with that, but you cannot use Skype, since it doesn't use real VoIP protocols, but something proprietary to Skype only. However, if you use Ekiga, you're not depending on Ekiga in any way. All compliant VoIP solutions can work with public protocols. There are many, many different softphone solutions for Windows, almost all of which are compatible with Ekiga. There are also many manufacturers of compliant hardware phones, like Cisco, Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Motorola and Siemens (of the top of my head). All major manufaturers support SIP. Would you buy a phone from Nokia if you could only call other Nokia phone owners? -- Thanks for the enthusiastic and detailed reply. That answers the first question, but not the second, third, and fourth: 2) Whom do I pay for service that allows me to call ordinary phones, and 3) how much does it cost? 4) Can I call other skype users from Ekiga BTW, I'm not sure what you're getting at in your final point, but I most certainly can call ordinary phones from Skype. I don't particularly care how they do it, just that the cost is reasonable (which it certainly is--I just spent two weeks in Poland, calling my girlfriend's cell phone in the US, for 2cents per minute). Thanks, Simon ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] using skype
Touche -- Art Alexion MIS/Central Office Support Resources for Human Development - Original Message - From: evolution-list-boun...@gnome.org evolution-list-boun...@gnome.org To: Patrick O'Callaghan p...@usb.ve Cc: evolution-list@gnome.org evolution-list@gnome.org Sent: Mon May 25 10:00:20 2009 Subject: Re: [Evolution] using skype There is *no* chance of Evo doing anything special to support non-free software. Yeah, like Exchange or GroupWise? --tml ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] using skype
Kontact has buttons to dial sms from the contact (kaddressbook) part. It is do-able. -- Art Alexion MIS/Central Office Support Resources for Human Development - Original Message - From: evolution-list-boun...@gnome.org evolution-list-boun...@gnome.org To: Tor Lillqvist t...@iki.fi Cc: evolution-list@gnome.org evolution-list@gnome.org Sent: Mon May 25 10:27:33 2009 Subject: Re: [Evolution] using skype On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 17:00 +0300, Tor Lillqvist wrote: There is *no* chance of Evo doing anything special to support non-free software. Yeah, like Exchange or GroupWise? Good point. What I should have said is that IMHO Evo is not going to implement a special Skype button. What is more conceivable, if there were sufficient demand, is a general-purpose Phone this contact button, which the user could set up to use whatever VOIP app he preferred. I've no idea how practical this is (e.g. how many of the VOIP apps allow you to specify the phone number from the command line or via a DBUS message?) poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Don't get new messages
Hi, Nice, at least he get's messages without subject !!! It's coming difficult to trust in this piece of software. Thanks Silvino -- debiminho.com ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] suggest
Funny, but I doubt, accurate. I have to delete my indexes every few days to display all messages in a folder, and evo rarely displays an accurate unread count. This makes it impossible to deploy evo beyond the IT department. But I never have to back up and start from scratch. And if I did have to start from scratch, I'd be wary of restoring from a backup that may contain the nasty problem. What evo version is Novell now distributing with SLED? Is it fairly stable the way 2.6 was with SLED 10.1? -- Art Alexion MIS/Central Office Support Resources for Human Development - Original Message - From: evolution-list-boun...@gnome.org evolution-list-boun...@gnome.org To: Milan Crha mc...@redhat.com Cc: evolution-list@gnome.org evolution-list@gnome.org Sent: Mon May 25 13:04:46 2009 Subject: Re: [Evolution] suggest On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 3:32 AM, Milan Crha mc...@redhat.com wrote: On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 15:26 -0300, Bruno Trazzini wrote: I suggest adding a button to reset all settings, because even deleting the folder .evolution some settings remain active. Hi, I do not expect anyone doing that, I'm sorry. Rather see where all the settings are stored, and delete them yourself: http://www.go-evolution.org/FAQ#How_can_I_transfer_all_my_Evolution_data_from_an_old_home_directory_to_a_new_home_directory.3F How about a command-line evolution --backup-and-start-from-scratch-because-evolution-has-several-longstanding-bugs-that-require-me-to-do-it-every-other-day? ;) Cheers... David ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] suggest
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Art Alexion wrote: Funny, but I doubt, accurate. I have to delete my indexes every few days to display all messages in a folder, and evo rarely displays an accurate unread count. This makes it impossible to deploy evo beyond the IT department. But I never have to back up and start from scratch. And if I did have to start from scratch, I'd be wary of restoring from a backup that may contain the nasty problem. It's pretty accurate actually. Since we have an exchange server, from scratch is basically the same thing as deleting my indexes. It takes me about 30 seconds to set up evolution for a blank account to connect to my exchange server and about an hour to regenerate the indexes for all of the mail in my exchange folders. But you're right, I don't start have to start completely from scratch. It just feels that way. Cheers... David What evo version is Novell now distributing with SLED? Is it fairly stable the way 2.6 was with SLED 10.1? -- Art Alexion MIS/Central Office Support Resources for Human Development - Original Message - From: evolution-list-boun...@gnome.org evolution-list-boun...@gnome.org To: Milan Crha Cc: evolution-list@gnome.org evolution-list@gnome.org Sent: Mon May 25 13:04:46 2009 Subject: Re: [Evolution] suggest On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 3:32 AM, Milan Crha wrote: On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 15:26 -0300, Bruno Trazzini wrote: I suggest adding a button to reset all settings, because even deleting the folder .evolution some settings remain active. Hi, I do not expect anyone doing that, I'm sorry. Rather see where all the settings are stored, and delete them yourself: http://www.go-evolution.org/FAQ#How_can_I_transfer_all_my_Evolution_data_from_an_old_home_directory_to_a_new_home_directory.3F How about a command-line evolution --backup-and-start-from-scratch-because-evolution-has-several-longstanding-bugs-that-require-me-to-do-it-every-other-day? ;) Cheers... David ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] using skype
2009/5/25 Simon Roberts thorpfl...@yahoo.com: Thanks for the enthusiastic and detailed reply. That answers the first question, but not the second, third, and fourth: You're welcome. 2) Whom do I pay for service that allows me to call ordinary phones, and 3) how much does it cost? Your telephony service provider. I don't know which TSP you're using, so I cannot tell you what their name is. I've never heard of a normal TSP that still doesn't support standard voip. The prices depend on the service provider. 4) Can I call other skype users from Ekiga No, as I've said before, Skype prevents that. Well, that's not entirely true. You can, of course, call them via their Skype-In number, but then you're really loosing the advantage of the internet, at least as long as your TSP charges you by the minute. Skype users are only allowed to call other Skype users and you're not allowed to switch to another telephone service provider as long as you're using Skype. BTW, I'm not sure what you're getting at in your final point, but I most certainly can call ordinary phones from Skype. I don't particularly care how they do it, just that the cost is reasonable (which it certainly is--I just spent two weeks in Poland, calling my girlfriend's cell phone in the US, for 2cents per minute). You can call PSTN numbers (normal phone numbers) using Skype, yes, but not ordinary VoIP users. Skypes prices varies and the prices of real VoIP-services varies too. I have a few different phone numbers on VoIP providers in Norway. For one of them, I get a phone number which can be used to dial in and out without any monthly fee, and it costs 0.14NOK/minute. The other costs about 100NOK/month, and I can call as much as I like to all phones in Norway, where I get two lines of which one is for fax. I don't know if Skype supports faxing. Of course, pure VoIP traffic is free of charge. And since this is VoIP, if I travel to hong kong or usa, I'll still pay the same. Jo-Erlend ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] using skype
I suggest adding a button to dial from the contact list using skype Good idea, could maybe be generalised a bit though. Suggest logging a bug in http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ , requesting a dial/chat button next to each non-blank phone number / instant chat field, which dials the number / initiates an instant chat, using skype / ekiga / pidgin / or whatever the user has configured. I.e. dial from the contact list using skype is one specific instance of open a real-time communication channel with this person, using the appropriate method, based on their contact information in Evolution, so better to make it as general as possible from the start. Mark that bug as depending on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=575321 , which is for adding skype + VoIP as valid Instant Messaging / Telephone types in the Contact editor. (On the question of VoIP against contacts, it does seem that there's a Video Chat field under Contact - Personal Information - Web addresses which supports callto:// urls ... but it's misnamed I think because it supports non-video VoIP; it's misplaced because it should be just another type of telephone number, listed with all the other types of phone numbers, instead of a web address; and it's not general enough because it doesn't allow for distinct work VoIP versus home VoIP; but I digress...) -- All the best, Nick. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] using skype
Hi, On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 17:00 +0300, Tor Lillqvist wrote: There is *no* chance of Evo doing anything special to support non-free software. Yeah, like Exchange or GroupWise? Good point. What I should have said is that IMHO Evo is not going to implement a special Skype button. What is more conceivable, if there were sufficient demand, is a general-purpose Phone this contact button, which the user could set up to use whatever VOIP app he preferred. I've no idea how practical this is (e.g. how many of the VOIP apps allow you to specify the phone number from the command line or via a DBUS message?) SIP URLs are handled by GNOME, aren't they? Implementing a SIP button to call a specific SIP contact via Ekiga or whatever other SIP URL handling application should thereby be as easy as opening a HTTP link in the web browser. Shouldn't it? Andre. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] using skype
On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 01:06 +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: 2009/5/25 Simon Roberts thorpfl...@yahoo.com: Thanks for the enthusiastic and detailed reply. That answers the first question, but not the second, third, and fourth: You're welcome. 2) Whom do I pay for service that allows me to call ordinary phones, and 3) how much does it cost? Your telephony service provider. I don't know which TSP you're using, so I cannot tell you what their name is. I've never heard of a normal TSP that still doesn't support standard voip. The prices depend on the service provider. I don't know of any TSP where I live that *does* provide it. Not everyone is in the First World. Furthermore, if my local TSP did provide VOIP they would certainly charge me a connection fee to the destination point, even if that point is also a VOIP user. If I avoid the TSP then I pay zero for the VOIP-VOIP case and only have to cover the (local) call at the other end for the VOIP-PSTN case. Since I don't have any experience of the TSP option (see above) I don't know how the costs compare. I've also seen commentary that suggests Skype performs better than Ekiga in practice. I don't know what credence to assign to this. BTW Skype also seems to be moving towards SIP support of some kind (http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/03/skype-means-bus/): Skype for SIP aims to reduce the friction of migration by enabling its VoIP phone service to be used over standard equipment and PBX setups that support the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP), a common installation. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] using skype
4) Can I call other skype users from Ekiga No, as I've said before, Skype prevents that. ... And that's the real issue for end-users. If you like free software, BUT most of your friends or customers don't care and are using Skype, then most people just install skype and chat to them using non-free software. Changing yourself or the software you use is easy; changing other people is hard to impossible. It's not about prefering locked-in and proprietary over free and open; for 99% of people it's about being able to zero-cost/cheaply talk/chat with the people that matter to you; as such the biggest constraint is not what you want to use, but rather what software the people you want to communicate with are already using. So ruling out initiating skype calls from Evo due to philosophical reasons seems somewhat user-antagonistic. I doubt it'll prevent even a single person from using Skype, all it achieves is mildly annoyance of Evolution users. Hardly some big philosophical win for free software; it's much more akin to hitting yourself in the head with a hammer to prove how stubborn you are. Of course, for people who have a choice, VoIP is cheaper, more widely available, works better on mobile phones than Skype (at least for me), and has a competition from a wide variety of providers (e.g. there's a very good list of VoIP providers here for every country, with ratings: http://www.voxalot.com/action/globalProviderList ). -- All the best, Nick. ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] using skype
On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 12:36 +1000, Nick Jenkins wrote: Of course, for people who have a choice, VoIP is cheaper, more widely available, works better on mobile phones than Skype (at least for me), and has a competition from a wide variety of providers (e.g. there's a very good list of VoIP providers here for every country, with ratings: http://www.voxalot.com/action/globalProviderList ). Maybe you mean every country where VOIP is available. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list Evolution-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
